Long Covid, B12 and Iron Deficiency

[Wwwdot]

From our friend Mixteca

A long listen - so make a brew, or two!

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[Mixteca]

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[Sea-blue]

Thankyou for sharing this . Just listened to all of it. What I like about Dr Klein is that he suggests finding the support networks for B12 deficiency / PA as not everyone can afford private treatment. And suggests you can purchase B12 abroad and explains all the implications of living in the UK with B12 / iron deficiency. Well worth a listen folks

[Wwwdot in reply to Sea-blue]

Hi Sea-blue

Thank you for the summary - very helpful. I didn’t think to do that!

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[Pickle500]

This is absolutely wonderful. So good to hear from Dr Klein since he has become the "local B12 hero" that we all need.

He knows that the cost of nurses time for injections is MASSIVE and that's why the NHS put us all off or ration it so much. That, matched with total ignorance over the impact of nutritional health, is the problem but why is it not addressed in general?

I love how he calls out the uselessness of the Serum B12 blood test. And how virtually all supplements with B vitamins, or Oatmilk, or breakfast cereals, will render the Serum B12 test useless.

What an utter farce.

This is what happened for me and I was left cast aside during the pandemic while my symptoms accelerated and many aspects of my life slipped away.

My B12 deficiency was insidious and then accelerated hard within a few days of the first covid vaccine.

In no way am I suggesting that the vaccine caused my B12. What I'm saying that I'd already had signs of B12D for some time and put off going to the Dr since I'd already been fobbed off with stress. But the vaccine DID accelerate the deficiency.

I'd had two years of severe and poor gut health including a colonoscopy to remove polyps and a parotid gland removal. And within a few weeks of the colonoscopy I came under alot of stress from a job loss, so probably drank a bit more to be honest.

If Doctor Klein has identified the ineffectiveness of the Serum B12 test and the cost of nurses time to inject B12 then there is no motivation for the NHS to alter the Serum test.

They don't believe in B12, they don't want to pay for the nurses time, and therefore they are HAPPY when patients don't get a positive B12 deficiency test!!

What we have to accept is that the NHS is not a health service. It's a death prevention service - they can save your life but they can't save your health.

So I completely understand why private clinics are offering B12 injections and I wish more of them offered every other day injections indefinitely.

That's really what we should lobby for - the chance to get the help we need even if we have to take out a loan. It's our health, our wealth, and it's the least we should expect.

[Wwwdot in reply to Pickle500]

Hi Pickle

So sorry to read of your experiences.

B12 should be available over the counter - it’s harmless regardless of how much you inject - paracetamol and other drugs which can kill and/or harm are available over the counter - so why not B12?

Third parties providing injections would likely profit at our expense I fear.

It is a good listen. I have listened twice now and each time I pick up more info. I think getting covid accelerated my B12 collapse as before Covid I was clinging to the cliff edge, clinging but still there!

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[Pickle500 in reply to Wwwdot]

Oh thank you. Yes a difficult time but it was for everyone fearing Covid, which I never got. But I reckon B12 is just a bad, especially when not treated properly.

Yes OTC B12 for sure. Why can't the pharmacists show us how to self inject? That would be the way to do it right? I think that's really the issue.

I wonder how diabetics learn? I know my Uncle is Type 1 diabetic most of his life and he has a little machine to prick his finger for blood before finding a spot to inject insulin. But he is a biology teacher and lives in another country (Canada) so the systems will be different.

Yes third party clinics would profit and they did when i needed them at the start of my journey of self treatment. But they can't offer every other day - only once a week max. And that's not enough for severe deficiency.

Yes it's a really good listen and I find Dr Klein knows exactly what he's talking about.

Sadly, that will be the only route for sufferers I think, until the NHS is reformed. Which it will be. The shape of reform we don't know, but it can't carry on as it is.