Needles , finest, shortest

[Polo22]

There was discussion about needle gauges and lengths which I saved to go back to it. No surprises then that I now can't find it to see which to buy. I currently SI IM but wondering about Subcut, what needles finest shortest possible would be ok to use, I just wondered if it is possible to buy some that could be used for either option , Thanks for any info

[wedgewood]

For Intra-Muscular injections you need a longer needle than Sub -cutaneous , as it needs to reach the muscle which is deeper than the fat layer

For an intra-muscular injection you need a 25g x 1inch needle

After 9 years of using the I.M. method , I have converted to Sub-cutaneous . I use a very fine , very short needle . It works as well as I.M. method .

The needle I use is 30G x 6mm .The only place that I can find to obtain it is Amazon.u.k. ( Antonmove stainless steel pipe 30 G and then select the length. )

Best wishes

[Polo22 in reply to wedgewood]

Thanks I think it was your comment on the previous post I was looking for

[JGBH in reply to wedgewood]

Hi Wedgwood, I am really pleased to know it is possible to inject subcutaneously. Is it really as effective as an intramuscular injection? Recently I seem to touch some kind of blood vessel with IM injection because it bleeds… my RA hands are getting much worse. Do you still inject in the thigh with SI? I already do SI injections in my abdomen for RA treatment so would rather not to have to do that with B12 injections. 🌺

[wedgewood in reply to JGBH]

I injected I.M.for 9 years .I decided to try out Sub-cutaneous 6 months ago . I can assure you that it works just as well as I.M. I saw that Sub-cut was recommended, along with I.M. on the B12 depot packets that we get from Germany .

You can inject across the whole of the front of your thigh ( as well as the tummy fat ) Not just into the middle outer portion where the muscle is nearest the surface . This is what I do , and I swap thighs each time ., and roughly note where .

Yes , you can cause skin damage if you inject on the same spot time after time .

I have had a terrific spurt of blood occasionally with an I.M. injection , but it causes no damage . Just press on the spot for a minute or two .

You can get a little bleeding from a sub-cutaneous injection , but it is really minor . The fat layer has a much smaller blood supply than the muscles . Therefore the b12 is released into the blood stream much more slowly , which I think is a good thing, once one has had the loading doses .

There are totally needle-less methods of injection now , should you ever wish to dispense with needles altogether .

Besg wishes .

[JGBH in reply to wedgewood]

Thank you so much. It is reassuring. What are the needle,ess methods of injections please? Indeed I had a couple of blood spurts, blood falling onto the kitchen floor! It was scary when not quite expected…

[wedgewood in reply to JGBH]

There is a device from Australia

injectneedlefree.com

and also an American device

pharmajet.com

I have no knowledge of the devices , except that the B12 would be injected through the skin under pressure . I’ve not heard of anyone who has used them either .

[JGBH in reply to wedgewood]

Thank you…. Will look at the links. Might have to try the subcutaneous route.

[Polo22 in reply to wedgewood]

I can't for the life of me remember where I bought all my syringes and needles from last time, running low , will have a look on Amazon,

[wedgewood in reply to Polo22]

medisave.co.uk

is used frequently . I get the fine short needles for sub-cut from Amazon .

[Polo22 in reply to wedgewood]

I'll check it might have been them

[Nackapan in reply to Polo22]

I get my sc needles from Exchange supplies 30G 1/2" long yellow.

[Polo22 in reply to wedgewood]

can't find 6mm

[wedgewood in reply to Polo22]

Look for Antonmove 30G needles

Then see the options and choose 6 mm

[Polo22 in reply to wedgewood]

Happy Dance 😺 found them

[Asselchen]

From my own experience I can say that 'finer' is not always better/less painful.My favorite for subcutaneous is 27gx12mm. I don't like the 30g in comparison.

[wedgewood in reply to Asselchen]

Well, we are all different as we know . The only way to find out is to experiment .

The thing with a very short and very fine needle is that it LOOKS less intimidating to people who have a needle phobia .

[Asselchen in reply to wedgewood]

I'm needle phobic myself, and having to use the 30g (as that were the only ones I could get at the time) made injecting a lot harder for me, as it takes much longer and is more painful for me. Might be different for someone else, or might be the same.

[wedgewood in reply to Asselchen]

If your phobia should ever get the better of you , it’s good to know that there are totally needle-less methods available . ( but more expensive )

[Asselchen in reply to wedgewood]

Are there? Other than extremely high dosed oral supplements?

[wedgewood in reply to Asselchen]

There is a u.k. device , I’ve just found out

insujet.co.uk

[wedgewood]

Yes , but I dont know much about them. Look at the following sites for information. Australian device

injectneedlefree.com

American device

pharmajet.com

I haven’t heard from anyone who had used them.

Best wishes .