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Vitamin D Plays a Crucial Role in Immune Function and Inflammation
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Thank you so much for this video . Once again we are reminded about sone unethical practices in some aspects of medicine , when we hear that the “ Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency “ in U.K. is funded 86% by INDUSTRY ! I find that truly unethical .
I completely agree wedgewood . I remember being horrified to read the depths to which BigPharma stooped in hiding the benefits of extremely high dose vitamin D, etc. in Jeff Bowles book.
I now suspect their involvement in so much more……
Well before anyone recognised my B12 issue , I was getting recurring Vitamin D deficiency and having to use high dose supplements for years to get above the borderline to normal , based on my own investigation into what was safe , as the lower prescribed dose did virtually nothing at all for the first 6 months of treatment.Of course , now I have the final piece in the puzzle , without the B12 issue being treated I wasn't absorbing or metabolising things like Vitamins , Iron or my medications properly, so without the high doses I was getting very little Vitamin D at all in the winter months.
Since being on B12 injections my levels of Fatigue and Pain have improved much more than before , and as I have various comorbidities which involve pain , including Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, Fibromyalgia and Chronic Migraine this has made a huge change for me. Most importantly, I also have Chronic Dysautonomia, causing huge swings of heart rate into Tachycardia on movement.
Since starting B12 , my Tachycardia has been lower and better controlled . Partly , because of the effect B12 deficiency has on heart function and also presumably because I'm finally absorbing more of the medication I need to take for it.
I do still see the tachycardia , neuro symptoms and pain increasing at week 6 after an injection , and week 7 feels like the old system has returned , but I'm working on the GP to get my injection 6 weekly instead of every 8 weeks in the hope that I can keep things managed without needing to self inject as my conditions make injecting hard to do for me.
Thanks for the link , take care , Bee
It’s so often up P.A,& B12 deficiency. patients to help themselves . Well done you . 👍
I am a big fan of Professor Campbell. He is guided only by the facts. You can be sure of credible, reliable and factual information.
Dr Campell is great! I love the way he hints at what's going on without spelling it out as blatantly as I problably would. Good to see emotion, nobody should apologise for showing that. What he doesn't add - that's this is also medically negligent as well as unethical - comes across clear as crystal.
If anyone missed this great interview he did with Dr Cohen, on Vit D in Israel, here's a link:
I believe that Dr John Campbell is misinterpreting and misrepresenting both the studies and their conclusions. Worth watching this response.youtu.be/yhpc2re9pc8
Agreed. As I mentioned in a previous thread, his channel is immensely popular but the information he provides is often poorly researched and misleading. Generally he seems to traffic in outrage and conspiracy which is a golden ticket to more views on YouTube, regardless of the flimsy evidence behind the claims made.
Sorry - I disagree - quite the opposite in fact !
He is a very experienced educator, who became aware that facts were being distorted……
PS. Dr Robert Malone, Dr Vanden Boosch, Dr Dr Peter McCullen, Dr Aseem Malhutra, Dr Pierre Corey, - just a few I can mention off the top of my head who have also publicly questioned the narrative……
As well as over 200 professors, physicians and scientists who signed a statement two years ago recommending vitamin D.
Last but not least - Rt Hon. David Davies and Andrew Bridgen, MPs, (both scientifically trained), the latter silenced for speaking up on behalf of at least half a million injured.)
The calm of the salt marsh calling me to walk……
A recent video from Brad Stanfield on Vitamin D supplementation covering a new study showing benefits for prediabetics of up to 4,000IU Vitamin D.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=sDQSG...
This doesn't change my current advice which is still a winter dose of around 1000IU to 2500IU for most healthy people but maybe a bit more depending on the persons dose response/physiology. Unless there's absorption issues, deficiency, severe obesity, or other factors affecting Vitamin D uptake I'm not convinced that a regular daily dose above 4000IU will be necessary or beneficial.
Sorry a rather long one but Professor Michael Holick, as the leading authority on vitamin D, has a lot to say…….
Gareth Davies, Phd, is another top researcher, who takes 30,000 iu a day and very many on the list mentioned above were taking at least 4,000 iu a day.
I’ve been taking 4,000 iu + K2 for some time now. It’s a subject close to my heart as my dear mum had rickets as a child and breast and bone cancer in her early fifties.
Polaris,
Look at the Vitamin D table on Dr.Holick's own site
The dosages he recommends for most people are between 1500IU and 2000IU.
Thats within the range that I just said was fairly reasonable, depending on physiology and if there are no absorption issues. 4000IU is at the tolerable upper limit - it may be warranted in certain cases with certain specific health issues, absorption or obesity, but is likely too much for most people as a maintenance dose.
I dont think there's a significant toxicity risk, I just think the best available science we have suggests its unnecessary. 30k daily long term I would be A LOT more cautious about as thats well into the range where toxicity becomes a possibility.
I appreciate you feel strongly about the subject due to family history but that doesnt mean we should ignore what the science is telling us about a safe and adequate dosage. No one is arguing that you dont need adequate vitamin D, but rather about the justifications for extreme megadosing.
Stating that someone has a phd and takes an enormously high dosage is not an argument. So what? People with substantial qualifications can still be wrong about things. This is an appeal to authority, as is name dropping all the other doctors you mention with their titles.
I appreciate you disagree with me and others calling for some moderation in Vitamin D dosing but you have never engaged substantively with the arguments put forward against John Campbell or any of the others you promote that are spreading misinformation or pseudoscience which I've replied to you about before.
I'm not particularly hopeful that I will change your mind in any way but I think the information and videos I and others posted should instil some caution in others who could potentially be harmed if they took some if the the dosages you mention, like 30k IU daily in the long term.
I have merely pointed to information from the very experienced, top experts and would not dream of arrogantly advising anybody ? mmm 🤔
Re. Professor Holick and dosage, seems you just proved you failed to watch the whole of the video………that’s ok - I know it was rather a long one 😊
PS. I actually experimented some years ago with taking extremely high doses of D3 + K2 after reading very interesting books by Jeff Bowles and Kate Rheam-Bleu. It resulted in a more complete healing of long standing injuries (bone spurs etc…), protection from infections, flu, etc. Can’t help wondering if BigPharma’s influence has frightened medics into only prescribing lower doses……
he’s a very informative and I’ve watched his channel for a couple of years. He has covered covid really well too showing many references. Thanks Polaris
Yes, I think so too - it’s brilliant the way he manages to convey important information…….
I don’t usually listen to Melvyn Bragg’s radio 4 programme in the morning but am avidly listening at this moment and thinking it seems to go right to the root of problems of our particular time. Gives me hope 🥰
Being deficient in vitamin D means that you are at higher risk of serious covid. This is rarely disputed but the evidence for super-protection for those who mega-dose vitamin D is both unproven and even disproven.
It is unwise to base your beliefs on cherry-picked studies, discounting any that don't agree with your current viewpoint, which are then incorrectly summarised for you. I would recommend reading the actual research first hand.
Did any of you actually watch the video by Dr Susan Oliver? Was she misrepresenting what Dr Campbell was saying in his video? Was there flaws in her argument?
Cherry picking ! The above people I’ve mentioned are at the top of their professions : Dr Robert Malone invented the vaccine, Prof. Michael Holick researched vitamin D for 50 years, Dr Geert Vanden Boosch is a top Belgian epidemiologist and vet, who has proved right about his forecast of what would happen. I’ve merely provided info from the top experts It is up to you who’s advice you wish to follow as is mine.
Sorry but I’ve been walking and relaxing after a bad migraine - too much information……
Do you have anything other than appeals to authority? Appeals to authority are a logical fallacy. logicallyfallacious.com/log...
You are not engaging at all with the criticisms and arguments made but instead referencing various peoples credentials or their "expert" status or trustworthiness.
None of these things matter in defending a claim. What matters is where the science, the "preponderance of the evidence" is pointing at the current time. At the moment, the evidence for the benefits of megadosing Vitamin D at 4000IU+ is lacking and you have not provided anything that supports it. Instead you are ignoring any replies that clearly show how your sources are providing misinformation (even if unintended) due to either cherry picking, misreading, misinterpreting or failing to critically asess studies.
"Just providing info" reminds me of the common conspiracy theorist claim, "just asking questions". It can be used as a way to put forward dubious information without having to actually stand behind the information and back it up with evidence - making sure the information does get out there but escaping the necessity to defend the validity of the information provided.
FGS, Technoid, this is not a law court - are you trying to have the thread closed down I wonder ? And I’d hardly call the very experienced top experts, dubious information !
Just remember many of us on this forum are vulnerable, old, and sick, having problems with memory and speech. Just stop now.
"Just remember many of us on this forum are vulnerable, old, and sick, having problems with memory and speech. Just stop now."I think that this is exactly why Technoid and myself are asking you to look more closely at what you are being told.
Dr Malone is a recognised covid sceptic who disseminates misinformation regarding covid and greatly exaggerates the small role he had in developing mrna vaccines.
nytimes.com/2022/04/03/tech...
As for Prof MicgaelHolick, may I suggest you refer to wikpedia (not always the best resource but its remained unchallenged for quite a while). Jump down to the controversies and ask yourself if you can trust him. I can't.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mic...
Dr Geert Vanden Boosch is an anti- vaxer. If you are against covid vaccination then you might be interested in his opinion but otherwise not.
I am interested in all opinions but not those who deliberately bully and try to turn a pro vitamin D thread into an anti vacc slanging match.
As already mentioned, I’d rather listen to Dr Robert Malone, as the inventor of the MRNA vaccine, and Dr Geert Vanden Boosch as an epidemiologist and vet, who correctly predicted the course of the pandemic.
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