Can apple cider vinegar help with b12 absorption problems?

[luckymaria]

Hiya all, I'm a little confused. My friend just showed me a YouTube video from a doctor, which says drinking apple cider vinegar can generate the stomach acid we need if we are vitamin b12 deficient, no need to take further b12. Surely it can't be that simple? Can any one explain please? Many thanks!

[helvella]

How does vinegar, of any sort, create Intrinsic Factor?

No Intrinsic Factor = no B12 absorption.

Vinegar, or lime juice as some here like, does help with stomach acidity, digestion and absorption of some things.

[luckymaria in reply to helvella]

Ok, i see what you mean, thank you

[Nackapan]

I have cider vinegar with mother on my food.

It can help aid digestion.

I like vinegar so I thought I'd get that one.

I personally would never drink it away from food as would probably rot my teeth or burn my throat.

You still need your b12 treatment

[luckymaria in reply to Nackapan]

Good info and advice re teeth, thanks!

[waveylines]

Am no great expert but I read that as we age the acidity in our stomach reduces. Low acidity interupts the process of extracting b12. This is why they recommend as you age that you take a b12 supplement.......I know not very logical if you cant absorb it!!!!! Hey ho.....

[luckymaria in reply to waveylines]

Thank you 😀

[Nackapan in reply to waveylines]

I understand it as the supplements top up your diet so if absorbtion is less as you age the extra from a supplement sorts it. Some it works for so worth a trial if not too ill. Thus occurred for my sister(weary/flat mood and sore arms and hands) who is fine on high dose b12 oral supplements from the age of 59? She was getting a few symptoms and horrified by mine! So had a blood test. She was very low. She was lucky as caught in time and responded well to oral b12 . I feel I save her from alot. All her symptoms went very quickly .

So she can still absorb but not as efficiently.

I simply cant absorb b12 from food or tablets. Also I think once on frequent injections its rare for tablets to work even if you can absorb something it isnt enough. Only my opinion thoughts of course. My mum needs injections as does one of my daughters.

[wedgewood in reply to waveylines]

If you don’t have P.A. a tablet supplement will help , even if you only absorb a percentage of it, as long as you have some stomach acid and. the intrinsic factor .

[waveylines in reply to wedgewood]

Fraid not for me Wedgewood Ive already trod that long and weary path and what happened was my symptoms got worse and I was close to having to use a wheel chair though technically at 239 my b12 was "in range" B12 injections had a dramatic effect, the only issue is that in order to keep symptoms at bay Ive had to go up in frequency not down -this over a two year period. Now twice daily and if I dont numbness, tremors, almogst many other symptoms comes back with a vegence. It doesnt make sense but I assume Ive definately lost the bilty to store it!! Having universal vitiligo puts me at risk of PA but my bloods are good and negative to IF. I find the frequency confusing but it is what it is. No one seems to really know in the medical fraternity much about it frankly. So Ive given up looking for help in that direction.

[wedgewood in reply to waveylines]

Sorry waveylines - I meant to send that to luckymaria ! Blame it on the residual P.A. , which I will probably. never see the back of . Sorry to hear of your problems , but you do know don’t you that a negative I.F. test is only about 50% accurate . Best wishes

[Gambit62 Administrator]

absorption of B12 requires IF and a certain amount of acidity -

PA reduces stomach acidity which also affects absorption generally in the gut and can result in bloating and heartburn - something acid, like cider vinegar is likely to help with symptoms that are caused by the low stomach acidity - but it won't do anything about the lack of IF so impact on absorption of B12 is going to be minimal.

Hope that helps clarify

[luckymaria in reply to Gambit62]

Yes, I do get bloating, but your info re the IF and how it works also useful, thanks

[waveylines in reply to Gambit62]

Thanks Gambit. Interesting. The trouble is the IF blood test isnt reliable in the sense it misses a lot of people so negative doesnt mean you are necessarilt prducing IF. So then you can only try supplements and if the dont work move on to jabs! Ive actually bought some sublingual b12 drops which the manufacturer alleges has a 98% uptake taken this way. Am only planning to use these to top up my injections.

[fbirder in reply to waveylines]

Which manufacturer?

I'd like to know because they are lying and need reporting.

[waveylines in reply to fbirder]

Sorry had to take link down as it was linked to my account at amazon. Oops!

Link to the product. If you scroll through the pictures. It says absorption rate: 98%; time: 1-4mins

[fbirder in reply to waveylines]

Thanks.

I notice that they also claim that adenosylcobalamin is methylated!

[waveylines in reply to fbirder]

Good spot fbirder. I thought I was just buying methylcolabamin which was what I really wanted - that was my fault.

[Gambit62 Administrator in reply to waveylines]

I'd double check that you have read the claim properly - its probably meant to sound like that but probably if you read it very carefully it will be saying something else

[waveylines in reply to Gambit62]

Hi Gambit Ive posted the link above.

I was surprised at the claim.....

[Gambit62 Administrator in reply to waveylines]

sorry waveylines - I've been through the post a couple of times but can't spot the link

[waveylines in reply to Gambit62]

Sorry Gambit I had to take the link down as the link went straight into my Amazon account!! Ooops!!! -posted a message under fbirders post explaining. Sorry you missed it.

Its Natures Provides 2400mcg bioactive b12. Its on Amazon. I boobed as its not pure methylcolabamin which is what I really wanted - my fault. Made in the uk so thought Id be ok. The methylcolabain ontop of my 2ml b12 injections is really calming my tremors.

[Gambit62 Administrator in reply to waveylines]

thanks - the claims made are extremely misleading. 98% absorption means nothing in reality - could refer to the water rather than the B12. The claims about bypassing stomach and liver are also misleading - on one level yes because its relying on passive absorption rather than normal absorption in the ileum. Basically marketing hype that means nothing but is designed to get the reader to interpret as you did. Personally I was put of by the use of bioactive in the title.

Nothing wrong with adenosyl. I use both methyl and adenosyl as they help with different symptoms though I suspect that has more to do with the way my cells handle the methyl and adenosyl elements than it is to do with the B12 attached

[waveylines in reply to Gambit62]

I dont know anything about adenosyl but a lot of my symptoms are neurological so wanted more methylcolabamin

[Gambit62 Administrator in reply to waveylines]

in theory the form of B12 shouldn't make any difference because after B12 is transferred into your cell the bond to the methyl element is broken and then methyl B12 is made when the cell needs B12. There are different processes that go on that can affect nerve function - one of which actually uses adenosyl rather then methyl B12 ... not that the form that you get into your blood should really make any difference to that.

[waveylines in reply to Gambit62]

Thanks. Interesting Gambit. I love the theory......theres a simular arguement put forward for treatment of hypothyroidism. In reality myself included theres fair few of us who dont responed especially well so we go for a mix or the ready to use option. I just thought after two years of a high level of injections that just seem to need to be increased in frequency to ameliorate symptoms there just has to be a missing link! Am probably wrong. Am pretty certain am not storing b12 as am having to inject so much. I havent been able to find out much on this. So any info would be welcome as am definately no expert!!

[luckymaria]

Nicer than apple cider! I will try this thanks

[Billypil]

Hi to all. I look in occasionally and would appreciate any comments that anyone may care to make. I am old. 85 but closer to 86 in a few weeks. heaps of problems CCF, COPD with badly scarred lungs I am told. I have been Anaemic for years but only this week a new GP has arranged for stool tests to check for internal bleeding.

I have taken Vitamin E Complex not D Alpha Tocopherol. Vit C

My B Vitamins seem OK, but if anyone has any experience I am what is termed Homozygous MTHFRc677T. I have been fobbed off by many so called specialist and a lot of what I am told does not agree with a few researchers whose papers I have read.

I am old I agree but not yet in my dottage. As several family members Son - dead at 42, Daughter dead at 59, Grandchildren Nephew and grandson the same problem some sort of vascular spasm and G.Grand children dying before being born & that list goes back several generations. Even my Great Uncle died at 45 after my Grandfather came to Oz from Bedfordshire in the 1870s

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This can not worry me as I know I cannot last much longer already had CABGs twice plus pacemaker plus lots of problems. I am worried about the next few generations if I can find out more from anywhere in the world. I don't know about IF I shall have to look that up.

I am told by Gene tests that my ancestry is 55% Eastern Europe

(England Ireland & Wales) and 45% Northern Europe (Not sure of that. Maybe from the Viking raids. LOL

[waveylines in reply to Billypil]

You maybe old but you shouldnt be discriminated against because of age! Am sorry to hear about the loss of your family members - thats so sad. Good for you for researching and taking charge of your health rather than believing the doctors know -many dont as you say. I definately dont have the knowledge to look into whether there is a generational link to the illness/s in your family but I wish you lots of luck in your research into this.

[fbirder in reply to Billypil]

There are about 700,000,000 people who are homozygous for the C677T MTHFR mutation, so we aren't really an exclusive club.

Some people will tell you it means that you need to take methylcobalamin. They are totally wrong. b12science.com/B12Science/D...

Some people will tell you that you must not take folic acid as it is poisonous. They are wrong.

Some people will tell you that you may benefit from taking methylfolate (400 mcg a day). They may be right. It's not that much more expensive than folic acid (ten times the cost) so it's worth trying it for three months to see if it helps. It can't hurt and it may help. And three months is only £14. smile.amazon.co.uk/Solgar-F...

[bookish in reply to Billypil]

Hi. I use methylfolate and have found that it has made a significant difference to me, so it may be worth a try - slowly, in small quantities. (I use Metabolics methyltetrahydrofolate liquid and started with just one drop, then built up gradually (13 drops = 1000 mcg.) I find 2 drops 3 times daily suits me well.) Best wishes

[bookish in reply to Billypil]

Just one other thought, having looked at some of your previous replies and posts - have you been checked for Antiphospholipid Antibody Syndrome? Several possible indicators in your history and family, so may be worth asking if not done already. It is one that is strongly oestrogen affected so checking that for the family might be worth some thought too. Poor liver function, especially phase 2 detoxification (conjugation, including methylation) might not be helping with your medication and food sensitivities (and could mean slower oestrogen clearance). Best wishes

[wedgewood]

I suggest that you get B12 injections , as at your age , your stomach acid will be negligible. but , as long as you don’t have Pernicious Anaemia, you will have great benefit . ( say once a month ) Vitamin B12=is the most difficult vitamin to absorb from food . Also take a multivitamin and mineral tablet .

[Showgem]

I have intrinsic factor antibodies and also PC antibodies so do not absorb b12 or have enough stomach acid. I have apple cider vinegar with mother with breakfast and lime juice with dinner, this seems to have helped with my digestive problems but will do nothing to help with my absorption of b12.

[Bellabab]

I drink a no added sugar lemon squash with added pure lemon juice. I also eat a satsuma fruit twice a day with my main meals. Either gives me enough stomach acid. I also eat natural yogurt and take a high dose probiotic and an omega 3 pill daily. If I miss some of these then my stools are unformed and show undigested food scraps. Stools should be round headed with a tail end and be consistent in colour and texture. Works for me with self injecting every other day now for 8 months.

[Billypil in reply to Bellabab]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I understand that all we can do is try & hope we are doing the right thing. I shall look up a few things on the net & keep trying.

I also make myself a daily drink. I have a 1.0 L flask and each day I throw in a few Ice cubes followed by about 100 ml or so of lemon juice plus some no added lemon juice and then fill the flask from a soda stream bottle. I have bronchial & sinus problems along with tummy problems including lactose, gluten, T2D, and find I need very low carb & high protein to feel well. My new GP said my HBa1c was quite OK at 6.7. I use Protaphane & Novarapid as Oral diabetes medicine gave me problems with gut & muscle pain. Of I get down into 5. anything I feel bad and lose my vision soon 't like to get as low as 7.0 mmol_L going to bed.

Thanks to you all for making me welcome.

Bill from Qld. down under.