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Hi !!

Iv been having b12 injections for 15years every 10 weeks. I had a doctors appointment 3 weeks ago due to feeling tired and generally not 100% I’m a very active person & eat quite well .

They gave me a blood test and the results say my b12 is high ( not sure what levels are ) and also my ferritin levels are high !!

They’ve taken me off my b12 which I had every 10 weeks and they are re-doing my blood test in April, then they also said in 6 months ,I’m feeling quiet nervous as I’m positive I new when I was due my b12

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you are right that your treatment should not depend on B12 levels and the injections should be for life. The BCSH guidelines say that retesting of B12 levels is not necessary after loading doses.

Do you have the blood tests that they did - and did they include thyroid?

Hoping someone else will be able to respond with more detail of papers to refer to but you might find it useful to look through the pinned posts for information to share with your GP

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Jmv12 in reply to Gambit62

They did test my thyroid and I think it was ok !!

I think iv got my head round it now

And now know what questions to ask ,I was just so shocked and worried as originally they were going to leave me for 6months then check .Till I spoke up ,also I’d only had my b12 injection one and half weeks previous.So the reading would be quite high

Thanks for replying

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Hi,

I am not medically trained.

Are you in UK?

Do you have a PA (Pernicious Anaemia) diagnosis or do you suspect you have PA?

If yes, I suggest you consider joining and talking to PAS. PAS can sometimes intervene on behalf of their members.

PA requires lifelong treatment and there are other causes of B12 deficiency that require lifelong treatment.

If you're in UK and you have neuro symptoms, B12 jabs should be every 2 months whatever the cause. See BNF, NICE CKS, BSH links below for details of UK B12 treatment.

Symptoms of B12 Deficiency

pernicious-anaemia-society....

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

If you don't have a PA or Antibody Negative PA diagnosis, what does GP think caused your B12 deficiency?

Risk Factors for PA and B12 Deficiency

pernicious-anaemia-society....

b12deficiency.info/what-are...

b12deficiency.info/who-is-a...

PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society)

Based in Wales, UK.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

PAS tel no +44 (0)1656 769717 answerphone

PAS support groups in UK

pernicious-anaemia-society....

There may be a support group close to you if you're in UK.

B12 Deficiency Info website

b12deficiency.info/

B12d.org holds support meetings near Durham, UK

b12d.org/event

UK B12 Blogs

There are stories on these blogs about people whose injections have been stopped.

Martyn Hooper's blog about PA

martynhooper.com/

B12 Deficiency Info blog

b12deficiency.info/blog/

Unhappy with Treatment (UK info)?

Letters to GPs about B12 deficiency

b12deficiency.info/b12-writ...

CAB NHS Complaints

citizensadvice.org.uk/healt...

HDA patient care trust

UK charity that offers free second opinions on medical diagnoses and medical treatment.

hdapatientcaretrust.com/

UK B12 documents

If you're in UK, I suggest reading all these documents below.

BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines

b-s-h.org.uk/guidelines/gui...

Flowchart from BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines

stichtingb12tekort.nl/weten...

BMJ B12 article

bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g5226

BNF

bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/hydrox...

BNF guidance on B12 treatment has changed recently. Your GP if you're in UK, might be using a BNF book that does not show recent treatment change.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

NICE CKS

cks.nice.org.uk/anaemia-b12...

B12 books I found useful

"What You Need to Know About Pernicious Anaemia and B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper

Martyn Hooper is the chair of PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society). Book is up to date with most UK b12 guidelines but does not mention recent BNF change.

"Living with Pernicious Anaemia and Vitamin B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper

Has several case studies.

"Could it Be B12?: An Epidemic of Misdiagnoses" by Sally Pacholok and JJ. Stuart (USA authors)

Very comprehensive with lots of case studies. There is also a paediatric version of this book "Could It Be B12? Paediatric Edition: What Every Parent Needs to Know".

Help for GPs

1) PAS website has section for health professionals. They can join PAS for free. Perhaps your GP would be interested?

2) I gave my GPs a copy of Martyn Hooper's book "What You Need to Know About Pernicious Anaemia and B12 Deficiency"

3) PAS leaflets, access to PAS members only.

"Treatment is for life"

"An Update for Medical Professionals: Diagnosis and Treatment"

pernicious-anaemia-society.... See Page 1.

Some forum members have found their area of UK is using outdated local B12 deficiency guidelines. Might be worth trying to track down local area guidelines and comparing them with national guidelines.

"They gave me a blood test and the results say my b12 is high ( not sure what levels are ) and also my ferritin levels are high !!"

The best advice I ever got was to always get copies of all blood test results. These days I don't trust what I am told about results unless I have a copy in my hands.

Iron Studies

labtestsonline.org.uk/tests...

Why do they think your ferritin levels are high?

Are you taking any iron supplements or eating a lot of iron rich food?

"They’ve taken me off my b12 "

Did they explain why they thought having a high B12 level was a problem?

Some on the forum have levels well into the 1000s ng/L.

"Treatment with high dose vitamin B12 been shown to be safe for more than 50 years"

stichtingb12tekort.nl/weten...

"Misconceptions about a B12 deficiency"

stichtingb12tekort.nl/weten...

"I’m feeling quiet nervous"

You are right to be concerned.

If your need for B12 is lifelong (PA is not the only cause that requires lifelong treatment) then stopping your injections is potentially increasing the possibility of neurological damage.

Neurological Consequences of B12 Deficiency

PAS news item

pernicious-anaemia-society....

PAS article about SACD, sub acute combined degeneration of the spinal cord, access to PAS members only

pernicious-anaemia-society....

Blog post from Martyn Hooper's blog, mentions SACD

martynhooper.com/2010/09/21...

More b12 info in pinned posts on forum.

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Jmv12 in reply to Sleepybunny

Thankyou I am in the uk ,iv a good idea now what questions to ask !!

And will read up on the above articles ,and find out why originally I was put on b12

Thankyou very much

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