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I believe in self recovery

Routine100
Routine100

My wife has PD but we are in this thing together she is a strong woman and I am 100% supportive but not perfect I lose my composure at times and it makes me feel bad when this happens.

We both do not not want to depend on medication she tried sinament and she takes no so call medication.The approach for her recovery started with stem cell therapy and laser lights about 1-1/2 years ago we traveled to Germany. The result was not a instant fix and she still has symptoms. We continue on the road to recovery by approaching the issue of how to recover through supplement therapy to increase the body's dopamine biosynthesis. The approach is to repair the cellular development which affects the neurological system the body has the ability to repair and build new cells this where amino acid supplements come into play. Exercise is also very important this is how we evaluated her progress. I have hope that she will repair and the more we learn the more it becomes obvious.

We never talk about what she can not do just take one small goal at a time when we achieve our goal we move on. My advise is always do what you can commit to 100% if that does not work find something that will work.

Doctors are limited and will not inspire you to self recover this why 1000s of people are taking medication that will make the condition worse.

My opinion is if the main focus was to self repair there would be a lot less pain in the world.

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Can you list what she is taking and how much?

Also, her year of birth and year of diagnosis?

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Horace99
Horace99
in reply to Hidden

What supplements or amino acids is your wife actually taking?

Routine100
Routine100
in reply to Horace99

I sent you a complete list and you said it was a scam and reported me to the website police.

💥😰💥

Routine100,

Here is a link to a supplement treatment that many forum members have found some symptom relief from. The protocol is referred to as HDT/B-1 and consists of daily supplementing with vitamin B-1 which is also called Thiamine HCI. Here is that link that will answer most of your questions about it:

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

Good luck!

Art

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AmyLindy
AmyLindy
in reply to RoyProp

Great review of MG🤸‍♀️

Diagnosed 2012

My regimen:

The positives: no bradykinesia, I cut my food with a knife, no button difficulties, brush my teeth now w/o needing elect brush, more strength. Getting in and out of bed, turning over is easier. No more constipation. Parkinson's progression stopped. Suppressed all motor and non-motor symptoms...

Entering my 8th year post diagnosis and have not fallen, not once, to the surprise of my neuro.

I follow this regimen:

Two hours apart, 7x day, C/L 25-100. Bedtime 1- C/L 50-200 ER.

2 x day (8 am 2g, and 2 pm 2g) vitamin B1 (as thiamine HCL) 500mg, easy swallow capsules.

Magnesium L-Threonate 2,010mg per day.

B1 Thiamine therapy reference / stop progression, suppress motor and non-motor symptoms:

(Thiamine HCL is oral substitute to injecting B1) 2 x day (morning 2g and at lunch 2g)

Doctor Costantini strategy that I find helpful "thiamine hcl stops the progression forever...".

Parky people say the first five years is your honeymoon stage with Parkinson's. After that, progression more rapid.

I have gone from slow motion to normal motor action since joining the growing number of PwP that have started B1 regimen/protocol. –

Doctor Costantini - “Why is this? Because there is no medicine or drug that is able to affect all of the organs, whereas all of the organs function thanks to Thiamine. An important detail”, adds doctor Costantini, “the Thiamine therapy brings no collateral damage with time”.

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bepo
bepo
in reply to RoyProp

Fantastic! That's what everyone wants. Some people have a 'herd' mentality and I believe are afraid to try something outside of the box.

"Parkinsons progression stopped" is a massive claim (If a phase 3 clinical trial achieved this, it would be international news), and it isn't at all consistent with Roy has said in other recent threads regarding his condition.

Just think it's worth noting.

bepo
bepo
in reply to Horace99

When something works, and there is no harm, why wouldn't you try it? It worked for 3,500 patients. Why not consider it? You won't see phase 3 trials done with natural substances. There's little money in it. At one time, the pharmaceuticals wanted to control all natural substances. It's wonderful they don't.

Just think it's worth noting.

I hope your wife knows she can bring the worst to you, along with the best. This is such a perfidious disease. Like an iceberg, what people see from the outside is only a small fraction of what we experience on the inside. I think with any disease there is always a small part of us that blames ourselves. A small kernel of shame that we are not stronger or strong enough to overcome but that can be a cruel viewpoint and ultimately not beneficial. It can seem counterintuitive but I think that oftentimes through acceptance we get the most strength to bring the best of ourselves to the battle. My heart goes out to your wife and I certainly wish both of you the best.

The natural occurrence of the equivalent of sinemet. (levodopa and cabidopa, L/C) is fava beans (vicia faba) and velvet beans (mucuna pruriens). What's difficult is you don't know how much L/C is in the beans. You cans search for these on this site for more details.

MarionP
MarionP
in reply to pvw2

Sorry, wrong, fava contains formed dopamine which can not cross the blood-brain barrier, whereas l-dopa does. Fava is limited to outside the CNS. Matter of some significance.

pvw2
pvw2
in reply to MarionP

See Fig. 3. The influence of various processing methods on l-DOPA content of faba bean leaves and seeds. Values are means of two experiments and three replications. The bars are representing standard error of the means.

in sciencedirect.com/science/a...

MarionP
MarionP
in reply to pvw2

That's L-dopa, product of processing and production to an extract. That's not fava, it is L-dopa. As I said. Fava is simply the base stock, which you identified as the supplement. See, if you claim not to be "technical," you are going to make these mistakes and it is best to not mislead people with your declaratives without failing to represent that, you could hurt someone who doesn't know to nail you down, and people will mistake your unqualified assertions as professional when they are not. Professionals and scientists do not make such obtuse and absolute statements the way you do. It is a hallmark distinction. For example of the difference, reference when you and Sharon differ. It's a tiny little irritating matter called ethics. What is it about you please that you have yet to disclose that will allow proper contextual qualification of your remarks so that people can properly gauge how much to trust you about things to put in their bodies? Thanks.

pvw2
pvw2
in reply to MarionP

Quote: How are fava beans related to PD?

Fava beans contain levodopa, the same chemical in Sinemet, Madopar, Dopar, Larodopa, and other levodopa-containing medicines used to treat PD. In fact, the entire fava plant, including leaves, stems, pods, and immature beans, contains levodopa.

Quote: The amount of levodopa can vary greatly, depending on the species of fava, the area where it's grown, soil conditions, rainfall, and other factors. It appears that the young pod and the immature (green) beans inside the pod contain the greatest amount of levodopa, and the mature, or dried bean, the least. Three ounces (about 84 grams or ½ cup) of fresh green fava beans, or three ounces of canned green fava beans, drained, may contain about 50-100 mg of levodopa. If using the young pod as well as the beans, the amount of levodopa may be greater than that in the fresh beans alone.

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pvw2
pvw2
in reply to pvw2

My neurologist says he has a patient that controls her PD with completely natural means, no pharmaceuticals. Her main source of meds is fava beans. She also uses exercise and other natural means.

Routine100
Routine100
in reply to pvw2

I looked over your article and I do not discard any information that would help recovery.The article is written in my opinion for academics that live in a test tube reality. Fava deans have the chemical make up to encourage production of dopamine this very good and it is mentioned that it is helping a person with PD.

I have not made or know of any study that will recognize that what my wife takes as I have mentioned will do as your Doctor claims.

My approach is based on basic science that cells can be repaired and correct the damage done to the brain. The brain can be healed by enhancing the body with amino-acid supplements. I feel to do this a combination of therapy must be done as I have mentioned in my routine. This is my approach if a supplement helps than I will see how and when it does the best job and take advantage of it's value. I only access supplements that are sold by companies that are recognized and offer a description and reviews plus I do my own research.

Medical information is mostly based on getting results that the sponsor of the study will benefit. Millions and Millions of dollars have been spent not only PD research but many other diseases with results that produced more medication with terrible side affects like those given for PD .

pvw2
pvw2
in reply to Routine100

Note my neurologist didn't say fava beans would heal PD, but that they would work as L/C instead of prescription L/C, but not without difficulty determining dosage. Some people, without evidence, believe that the other nutrients, such as antioxidants, in the fava beans will heal PD. I know of no support for this. However, the beans and leaves have amino -acid supplements often referred to as anti-oxidants.

bepo
bepo
in reply to pvw2

My husband is only taking natural substances, non pharmaceutical, and he has since first diagnosed 5-6 years ago.

Routine100
Routine100
in reply to pvw2

I will eat Fava beans and get all the natural benefit.

pvw2
pvw2
in reply to Routine100

Take care. If you eat an excessive amount, you can overdose on L/C. But this is less likely if you aren't taking L/C meds.

bepo
bepo
in reply to Routine100

Do you ferment the fava beans?

pvw2
pvw2
in reply to bepo

No, in fact I eat the leaves and beans as soon as I pick them.

bepo
bepo
in reply to pvw2

Thank you. I read about fava beans years ago, but we have gone in a different direction with mucuna.

pvw2
pvw2
in reply to MarionP

Where is your source of information about fava beans?

pvw2
pvw2
in reply to MarionP

I'm not finding any articles supporting your conclusion. See the following:

journals.lww.com/clinicalne...

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Just this: PD is relentlessly progressive.

Thanks that is so positive, I too believe the body can heal itself provided it has the correct nutrients and lifestyle changes... Does anybody have suggestions that actually work to reduce tremor?

I have seen information that a treatment called FUS can heal tremor this technology was developed in Israel and other countries offer the treatment. My wife suffers from movement disorder presently FUS only helps with tremor. I can pass on the information I acquired when I first learned about the procedure. My wife takes a routine of supplements this is also helpful. I have heard from many PD suffers that this disease can be beaten back. I wish you good health and a speedy recover.

Yes please thank you

The medical name for the procedure is explained in detail by the company that invented the technology insightec.com. This is a company with headquarters in Israel. I live in Israel and contacted the hospitals that offered the treatment hoping to get treatment for my wife however presently this treatment is used to treat tremor no other PD symptoms. Do a search and see if this would be good for you. I have attached the supplements that have helped to control the PD symptoms for my wife. I can help with more information if you are interested

Thank you but where is the attachment, I'm new to this 😀🙏

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I think the attachment did not show because it is a Jpeg format

Are you able to list them?

Yes I have supplements that I have researched and my wife has a routine she takes daily to Increase Body’s dopamine biosynthesis

I purchase my supplements from the link listed

pipingrock.com/?rwcode=ENW543

Routine 100

1. NADH-10 mg in the morning-1pill

2. Tyrosine 1000mg Daily---2 pills

3. Lysine 500mg Daily----------- 1 pill

4. Glutathione 100mg daily -------- 1-pill

5. Country Life full spectrum Amino Max or Wakunaga

Neuro Logic 2 pills daily as needed.

6. Crystal Star Relax Capsules 1-3 pills as needed

7. Omega 3 ---2 pills

Recommended to help for additional recovery

Depression DLPA -500 -750

Natures Secret Ultimate Oil

Creatine 3000mg

Gingko Biloba

EXCERISE INCREASE AS YOU FEEL STRONGER

Wow a lot of pills and meds.... Thanks for the info

Thanks so much for your great advice.

I do imagine the store mentioned, ‘pipingrock’, is the only place we can get all these goodies. 🤑

Thanks again 😜

pvw2
pvw2
in reply to Routine100

Note amino acid supplements like Tyrosine and Creatine are only needed for a vegan or low protein diet. For example creatine was first isolated in cheese. These are common proteins in meat. Otherwise, one need to look for vegetarian sources if not supplemented.

bepo
bepo
in reply to pvw2

My husband eats animal proteins and also takes tyrosine to help balance the mucna.

rescuema
rescuema
in reply to pvw2

The majority of your body's SAM is used to create creatine constantly, so supplementing Creatine is one way to spare methyl donors for those who are under methylated, so supplementation can be quite beneficial, despite it being more popular with muscle builders.

Hi ! Can you list them for us too, so we can compare notes ? Thanks !

I think the attachment will not show because it is a Jpeg format

Yes I have supplements that I have researched and my wife has a routine she takes daily to Increase Body’s dopamine biosynthesis

I purchase my supplements from the link listed

pipingrock.com/?rwcode=ENW543

Routine 100

1. NADH-10 mg in the morning-1pill

2. Tyrosine 1000mg Daily---2 pills

3. Lysine 500mg Daily----------- 1 pill

4. Glutathione 100mg daily -------- 1-pill

5. Country Life full spectrum Amino Max or Wakunaga

Neuro Logic 2 pills daily as needed.

6. Crystal Star Relax Capsules 1-3 pills as needed

7. Omega 3 ---2 pills

Recommended to help for additional recovery

Depression DLPA -500 -750

Natures Secret Ultimate Oil

Creatine 3000mg

Gingko Biloba

EXCERISE INCREASE AS YOU FEEL STRONGER

rescuema
rescuema
in reply to Routine100

You may want to try NAC instead of Glutathione for a better chance to cross the blood brain barrier.

Despe
Despe
in reply to Routine100

Another substance, MANNITOL (sweetener), that improves/affects PD symptoms was also invented in Israel. Has she tried it?

Routine100
Routine100
in reply to Despe

The study that was done with Mannitol as far I knew really never successfully showed that it does what it claims help to get medication past the barrier into the brain. My wife tried this and I was in touch with the person directing the study.

Despe
Despe
in reply to Routine100

Sorry, it didn't work for your wife. My husband has been taking it for quite a while, and his hyposmia has been considerably improved. He has also displayed partial arm swing. However, I don't know what exactly contributed to his improvements as he takes different supplements/minerals, but most importantly Vitamin B1.

MarionP
MarionP
in reply to Despe

Some people do seem to find benefit from mannitol. It seems like such a simple easy assist, one of those things you just have to be grateful for. One of those things in your very very special master list of things that work that you etch into your wall and build up over the years.

Despe
Despe
in reply to MarionP

Exactly! :)

I support your feelings that self-repair is the only way to go, but you do not mention the one vital protein that makes that happen!

The protein is called GDNF, (Glial Derived Neurotrophic Factor). Glial cells are the cells that are attacked by Parkinson's in an area of the brain called the substantia nigra. They produce this protein which repairs those Glial cells, with the result that the brain produces more dopamine and we start to get better.

What causes those Glial cells to produce that GDNF?

In my opinion that happens when we do FAST WALKING. I have been doing fast walking since 1994 and I have been Free pf Pd Movement symptoms since 2002.

If you would like to know more about it then look at my website reverseparkinsons.net and contact me. I do not charge for my advice. I have lived a 'Normal life since 2002. I am now 85 years old,

Thank you... How long had you been walking and how many times a week before you started noticing implementation

How long before you noticed improvements

It is too early to judge. I do think it has helped but not a major benefit yet.

Much appreciated... Good luck

Hi Dholpayer. I have been fast walking since 1994. I walk every second day. I initially started by walking for 15 minutes, slowly building up by an additional 5 minutes every second week. When I go to one hour, I stuck with that time and only stopped in 2020, at the age of 85, when I was unable to overcome Atrial Fibrillation. At my best I walked 10 kilometres in less than one hour, at the age of 64.

Wow thank you... Motivational

bepo
bepo
in reply to JohnPepper

Figure out why you have A-fib. Have you changed your diet?

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to bepo

I have not made any changes to my diet in ages.

bepo
bepo
in reply to JohnPepper

Do you have a smart meter? Do you have 5G in the area? Do you carry a cell phone close to your body?

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to bepo

No to the 1st 2 questions. Yes, I carry my cell phone in my trouser pocket. That is enemy no, 1!

bepo
bepo
in reply to JohnPepper

If you are going to carry it in your pocket, put it in airplane mode until you need it. We turn off our wifi and put our phones in airplane mode every night. We used to have phones that could only be used in our homes. Now, we feel we have to be in contact with everyone all the time. It could be causing A-fib.

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to bepo

I doubt if my cell phone caused the AF. I doubt if it rings more that once a day, and not even that.

bepo
bepo
in reply to JohnPepper

If you are carrying it on your body, let's say in a pocket, it is emitting EMF's all the time. Those who are more sensitive to EMF's can have a problem with that. Also, turn your WiFi off at night and put your phone in airplane mode. That is the safest. Our brains regenerate at night.

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to bepo

Ill do that!

John

bepo
bepo
in reply to JohnPepper

Discover what is causing your A-fib. Do you have any food sensitivities?

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to bepo

We have been unable to find the cause so far. I am seeing my Cardiac Specialist again today,

bepo
bepo
in reply to JohnPepper

Stop eating wheat?

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to bepo

We don't have any wheat products in the house but when eating out we might order some wheat product without thinking!

bepo
bepo
in reply to JohnPepper

We do the same. 90% of the time we eat clean and healthy.

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to bepo

I eat so little wheat that it does not come into the equation.

bepo
bepo
in reply to JohnPepper

Thank you for your post. My husband, who has only used natural therapies, would be considered to be in stage 1 of PD.

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to bepo

What does he plan to do about overcoming his Pd?

bepo
bepo
in reply to JohnPepper

We bought your book. He also is experimenting with B1. He does ozone and infrared saunas, PEMF mat therapy, and near infrared light treatment in his nose. (Sounds crazy, doesn't it?) We will do whatever it takes. I am a researcher.

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to bepo

Please tell us all what the result of that is?

MarionP
MarionP
in reply to JohnPepper

Yes, if we could just get a decent way of getting it and deliver it in to the proper sites, holy grail for sure. If we can just get those synucleins transported out or broken down. John's report is wonderful and probably should be done in any case, to the extent that people can. Yet it remains a single case report, over all this time, where else do we hear of any other such cases?

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to MarionP

At 85, I have to consider that my age has got a lot more to do with my current condition than the Pd!

MarionP
MarionP
in reply to JohnPepper

You still have to credit that fast walking somehow. Can't beat it with a stick!

JohnPepper
JohnPepper
in reply to MarionP

There is plenty of information out there to back up the fast walking. If you contactv me via my website reverseparkinsons.net I will give it all to you.

MarionP
MarionP
in reply to JohnPepper

Ok TY

I would rather do fast walking than have tubes drilled into my head and pumped with medication.

MarionP
MarionP
in reply to Routine100

So start, if you can, today regardless. See "where" it takes you (sorry about that). Can't hurt (i.e., Phase 1 complete right there, passed already, case of 1. Pretty good right out of the box. Lots of substances fail Phase 1.).

Thank you for your post! I agree that the PD meds can make you worse rather than better. I spent nine days in the Trauma ICU at U of U Hospital because I passed out and fell hard on my head on our tile kitchen floor...due to too much C/L that caused my blood pressure to plummet. Other PD meds I’ve tried made me nauseous, made me pass out, caused panic attacks. I only take Selegiline now...and vitamins. I’ve had PD for about 7+ years.

bepo
bepo
in reply to shanaandbear

What about mucuna and amino acids?

MarionP
MarionP
in reply to bepo

A lot of people swear by mucuna and when little else helps and when prescription meds are too much in some respect or bad side effects, or lose their effectiveness. Nearly universal, few side effects, few risks that I can tell, rather remarkable. Not everyone, and not perhaps enduring each case it helps, it's a preparation of L-dopa by another process, derived from the dopamine produced by fava beans. Rumored to go well with liver and a nice Chianti.

bepo
bepo
in reply to MarionP

Mucuna was our first choice after reading about the pharmaceuticals. I am glad we made that choice.

rescuema
rescuema
in reply to MarionP

lol

Don't know if you have access to a Rock Steady Boxing facility or not:

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If you do, I highly recommend going...we have seen some amazing results.

What a wonderful post! I am also a caregiver, working with natural supplements, (such as mucuna, and amino acids), who sometimes runs out of patience with my husband, who is a really good man. I just brush myself off, and continue helping him, while reminding myself to be more patient.

Routine100
Routine100
in reply to bepo

My wife understands that it is possible to get frustrated and she puts up with me. We are in this thing together and with hope we will beat back PD. Mucuna is not a fix for my wife she took it for a long time and it helped a little nothing permanent. We also use supplements and I am learning what supplements are best for specific aliments this is very helpful. She is off sement for over a year and is not getting worse.

Thank-you for your kind words and may your husband have a speedy recovery he is blessed to have a wife that stands by him.

bepo
bepo
in reply to Routine100

Thank you. We are all learning. If you are not learning, you're dying. Did she take mucuna with tyrosine and 5-htp?

Routine100
Routine100
in reply to bepo

No she took mucuna no tyrosine we will try this combination

Thanks

bepo
bepo
in reply to Routine100

There are formulas for taking this. Atrazine is a hormone-disrupting pesticide so powerful it can turn male frogs into female frogs with viable eggs! In humans, atrazine has also been linked to cancer, shorter pregnancy and hormone disruption.

The EU banned atrazine almost 50 years ago, but the U.S. still allows more than 70 million pounds of atrazine to be dumped on American farmland each year. You take 10 times the tyrosine as the 5-htp. Also L-Cystiene is taken, as well. The 5-htp helped my husband with nausea.

Look at Dr. Marty Hinz's protocol It is a balancing act. My husband has just started showing non motor symptoms, so we are also taking thiamine, B1.

Cjbro2000
Cjbro2000
in reply to bepo

@bepo What does the tyrosine do as opposed to just the mucuna?

bepo
bepo
in reply to Cjbro2000

There is a protocol developed several years by Dr. Marty Hinz. If found if you take too much mucuna as opposed to not enough tyrosine and 5-htp, you will be out of balance. Dr. Hinz has a diagram that shows how they need to be in balance. I have since read 10 times more tyrosine than 5-htp. That is what we have followed on our own for years. Do some research to find what works for you

Routine100
Routine100
in reply to bepo

My wife takes velvet bean extract 350 mg Mucuna pruriens seed standardize to contain 15% L-Dopa 52.5 mg. This is for her is a good balance it gives her a boast and helps with pain in her legs. She also takes tyrosine this is part of our routine she takes Mucuna pruriens combination only as needed.

I started on amino acid therapy( Dr. Hinz Method) at first also. I did not respond well to the Macuna ( The natural form of l-dopa ) I eventually had to take the prescription of carbidopa/levodopa. Again I have side effects but they are different. In the morning I go without taking any medication as long as I possibly can into the early afternoon before I start my treatment My morning time is the best part of my day. Once I start the medication my energy goes down the dyskinesia starts and i’m pretty much down for the day. I also hate being dependent on medication it is totally against my nature. I miss my natural state of being. Right now I’m looking for supplements that help rid the brain of the build up of proteins ( Alpha synucleins or Lewey bodies) in the brain. These nasty proteins can contribute to the progression of PD. As well as Alzheimer’s disease. One of these supplements is Fisetin 500 which goes beyond the blood brain barrier and helps clean up these proteins.

You may want to add this to your list of helpful supplements.

All the best,

Nancy

bepo
bepo
in reply to nsofka

Try Thiamine B1. It has helped so many people.

rescuema
rescuema
in reply to nsofka

"Right now I’m looking for supplements that help rid the brain of the build up of proteins ( Alpha synucleins or Lewey bodies) in the brain."

Try a more natural option - high dose serrapeptase enzyme.

Be sure to complement with antioxidants.

nsofka
nsofka
in reply to rescuema

Yes you’re right I have tried those in the past and I’ve totally forgotten about them thanks for reminding me!

rescuema
rescuema
in reply to nsofka

Sometimes when I take a high dose (especially with nattokinase), I literally feel tingling around my head and almost feel dizzy, so I'm sure it crosses the BBB.

Thanks for the info. Many people have said it is good to detox to get toxins out of the body. I will look for an explanation how Fisetin 500 goes beyond the blood brain barrier. Did you ever hear of Dopa Mucuna and Dopa Mucuna Pruriens 15% L- Dopa my wife takes both.

I buy them at this website

pipingrock.com/?rwcode=ENW543

Be well and positive I read a good article on what this means

rescuema
rescuema
in reply to Routine100

See my response above and look into Serrapeptase, and possibly combine with Nattakinase to potentiate the action. Avoid taking them with blood thinners including herbs/supplements.

Lana666
Lana666
in reply to rescuema

May I ask you to share brand and doses?

rescuema
rescuema
in reply to Lana666

I use Dr's Best formulas. I noticed tingling a few times with two 120K capsules of Serrapeptase and one 2K FUs of Nattokinase, so 3 pills at once, up to 4 times a day on completely empty stomach. Admittedly this is a massive dose, but I was self experimenting and you shouldn't attempt such without precaution. It's anti-inflammatory as well, beneficial for various pains.

Extremely low toxicity (if any) is reported with Serrapeptase, but you should start a lot lower at 40k for a while to see if you experience any adverse reactions since it may exacerbate preexisting health conditions (releasing pathogen biofilms, ulcers, etc).

Lana666
Lana666
in reply to rescuema

Thanks again Rescuema. I pasted my reply to you in a wrong field, as a reply to the original post.

Thank you for detailed information and for your educational posts. I haven’t look at enzymes before (except lab bench:)) and googled them. Seems something to explore for their superior anti-inflammatory properties.

rescuema
rescuema
in reply to Lana666

Yes, many report huge benefits for back/joint/muscle pains. It's very low risk if you start slow, and without the side effects associated with toxic pharmaceutical drugs.

Lana666
Lana666
in reply to rescuema

I am hoping for additional benefits. Was tested by a functional lab for leaky gut with positive results. So, apparently I’ll need a digestive help to break large molecules inside intestines before they permeate into bloodstream.

rescuema
rescuema
in reply to Lana666

With a leaky gut, definitely start slow with the enzymes.

Also it is very important for you to reduce carbs/gluten from your diet, since it is an indication of candida albican overgrowth that thrive on sugar/carbs.

You might want to try eating more meat and vegs for a period to shift your gut microbiome.

Lana666
Lana666
in reply to rescuema

Thank you!!! You confirmed my plan of action. It’s good to have a 2nd opinion. :)

Yes I have supplements that I have researched and my wife has a routine she takes daily to Increase Body’s dopamine biosynthesis

I purchase my supplements from the link listed the brand is not that important I look for the dosage and number of pills and cost.

pipingrock.com/?rwcode=ENW543

Routine 100

1. NADH-10 mg in the morning-1pill

2. Tyrosine 1000mg Daily---2 pills

3. Lysine 500mg Daily----------- 1 pill

4. Glutathione 100mg daily -------- 1-pill

5. Country Life full spectrum Amino Max or Wakunaga

Neuro Logic 2 pills daily as needed.

6. Crystal Star Relax Capsules 1-3 pills as needed

7. Omega 3 ---2 pills

Recommended to help for additional recovery

Depression DLPA -500 -750

Natures Secret Ultimate Oil

Creatine 3000mg

Gingko Biloba

EXCERISE INCREASE AS YOU FEEL STRONGER

Mayo clinic has a therapy program

Hyperbaric oxygen therapy has helped and is safe based on a study.

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