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Sugar was maybe the culprit

Sugar was maybe the culprit

As usual it's just " Arthritis" " not OA or RA, but someone might

like to give it a try if nothing else has helped?

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Hilarious! 😂😂

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Reeeeaally? 😂

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Shouldn't think so.....I expect he just got a better inflammatory, but didn't tell his wife! Bet he still has a stash of chocs hidden in his golf bag!

Just seen Charles Aznavour has died at 94! I just loved listening to him back in the 1970's! He had a good innings....must find my old discs & have a memorial listen!

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I'm taking no bets on a dead cert. But whatever the reason I'm glad he feels better.

Aww. Not a good day. Another good one gone. Who could forget "She"?

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And all the songs he wrote & sang with Edith Piaf!

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Aaarrrggghhh

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Thanks for sharing 👍 if only it was that easy x

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I hardly touch sugar...I'm sure the amount I ingest can't be responsible for my aches & pains.....but if it were to work for just one person????

I'm still going to have my daily glass of red !

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Red wine is quite low in carbs. I had a bar of chocolate yesterday evening. Regretted it majorly in the evening. Eventually got to sleep at 2:30 am, but only after having to pedal on the stationary bike.

Caveat - I only have the one finger swollen at the moment and stiff hands in the morning. Waiting for the other finger to drop

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Crikey....bike riding at 0230...I admire your stamina!

I used to do night shifts & ate a Mars bar to keep me awake on the drive home......being slow on the uptake it took quite a while to work out why I always had a head ache afterwards.

That was 30 years before I was diagnosed with RA!

Connection? Who knows!

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Ditto

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watching that program truth or scare about food on BBC1 sugar isn't very good for your stomach, it showed what it did inside the stomach

so I am not sure? love to know for sure

I love sugar and have a sweet tooth. Id find it hard to give up compleatly

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From a child I was not bothered about sweets or chocolate..school holidays meant I could have CRISPS! But then with high BP they were out,....until the wonderful microwave & now I can scoff home made micro wave chips with my glass of red!

I saw on TV how much sugar is in "school dinners puds".....terrifying!

11 teaspoons in one portion of sticky toffee pudding!

For all I know there is just as much in one glass of wine.....but it will be a brave man who stops my wine!

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Ah well.. James Le fanu has written several books ie 'too many pills' so he would support the idea that cure could come from a small dietary change.

if only.....

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Many years ago - pre RA - I was put on Statins & I read in his column how they could cause painful muscles.......I had really painful thigh muscles...just thought too much tennis.

I mentioned it in passing to my GP & he swapped me from Simvsastatin to an Atorvastatin.....pains went away,

Psychosomatic? I don't care...I'm on them' 'til this day & no thigh muscle pain!

So if I had a high sugar intake I'd probably cut down!

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My guess is OA. Standard anti inflammatories prescribed by family doctor... no mention of Rheumy or specialist meds. Doctors used to prescribe a sugar pill (how apt) for patients for whom nothing worked & lo & behold they felt better. A touch of placebo effect for him with cutting out sugar perhaps?!

I also bad bad muscle pain on simvastatin, upper arms though. Changed to atorvastatin & been fine on it. More recently the dose was doubled, increased to 20mg, still no muscle pain. Work that one out, we both find a similar statin which can also cause muscle problems yet doesn't, most odd.

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Yes...but common sense tells us sugar probably wouldn't have any effect on creaky OA joints...unless he was a fatty & lost weight ...but in eight days???

i have recently been told by a prescribing pharmacist that statins don't cause muscle pain.....methinks she was trying swap me to a cheaper generic. I smiled my "old lady resigned smile" & said I'd stay with my same stain if was all the same to her! I don't think she had the heart to insist! Tee! Hee!

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someone out there tell us you have no sugar at all and still have RA

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Morning, I’ve never added sugar to anything. I never have desert or cakes. I don’t eat sweets. I have the occasional square of very dark chocolate. I normally cook from scratch unless I eat out. I’m not being good I just don’t like them. I have berries or fruit for breakfast. Like Aged I love my red wine 🍷 crisps & nuts 🥜😉

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It's just one more Why Me isn't it? There seems no perfect RA eating regime.

Luckily I am able to go with the flow & try not to stress over every morsel I eat. In fact I'm not much of a foodie at all....guess you could say I eat to live, not live to eat...although I enjoy cooking.

Just had boring old porridge & blueberries for breakfast....I like the taste so why not?

Cheers! (Don't worry I'm drinking tea not a glass of red at this hour!)

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Sadly crisps and wine have quite a lot of sugar too but my god we have to have a treat once in a while x

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I'm feeling a bit grumpy right now, but I'll be polite and so poop!

That said, I'm cutting out sugar to help stop the infection in my ears...and make me slimmer. The getting slimmer bit would certainly help joints. Maybe he was a great big fatty?

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I'm sure he was a fatty......

If he ate so much sugar that stopping it got rid of his aches & pains it must have been a miracle!

I do hope your ears get easier...it could be a bacterial infection if you have been scratching your ears.. ...it's so easy with finger nails to introduce an infection.

I now try to calm the itch by ".scratching" with a cotton bud dipped in salty water...I keep it ready in fridge,,then either using a moisturiser or the 1% cortisone cream from GP. Bit of a faff.....but itchy ears are the Pitts!

Both seem equally effective.

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I cut out all the extra sugar I had.. marmalade on toast, a few squares of chocolate, the occasional biscuit and any hidden sugars in shop bought food, and I lost 3lbs in one week. Alcohol is the worse culprit for sugar sadly x

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I only have sugar in my tea, no other forms what so ever, I would get use to it not in my tea and would do it if this was 100% right, no pain would be worth it, but I have cut so much out would like to think its not 100%

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Years ago pre RA I used to take sugar in tea...until my flat mates banished it from the house...after a couple of weeks I just didn't miss it......if I do eat something with sugar now....like a dessert at a meal in a friend's house I don't have any bad reaction.......I guess it's just try it &'see?

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I cut out sugar after my diagnosis and it helped me enormously ...but I love a snickers ice cream !

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How do you know for sure, cutting out sugar was the reason!

If you started on RA drugs after diagnosis.....couldn't they be the reason?

I wonder if there is sweetener rather than sugar in Snickers ice cream?

I'm not trying to be argumentative.....just curious!

I don't find any food has any affect on my RA.....wish I did cos then I could stop eating it!

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Cutting down my sugar has made me feel much better. I sleep better and have more energy and my skin looks great. If you cut it out completely you then crave it so it’s not about banishing it, it’s about lowering sugar intake. X

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I did an exclusion diet first sugar etc etc I had 3 sugars in tea several cups a day I changed to green tea & stopped all added sugar alcohol . I have a noticeable reaction...not immediately if I have anything with a high sugar content .

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oh dear I didn't want to hear that answer cabbie

its very interesting and is going to give me food for thought, I do have a lot of cups of tea, and I do have sugar in it, I hate sweetners

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Go Cold Turkey Veronica......most people adapt very quickly & can really taste the tea rather than just drinking something hot & sweet.

You can always revert back...but if you find it helps your RA it's WinWin!

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yes might try it agedcrone, do you eat what you want except sugar agedcrone?

I really want to eat what I want, I know as soon as I do up comes the pain

I think I have mastered the pain bit as long as I am stricked on diet, veg, salads, salmon,sardines,anything else up comes the pain

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Yes I'm lucky in one way...I can eat most things. But I don't have much of an appetite......& not eating can become a habit,& I can go all day & not feel hungry, then if I'm really tired I end up with just an apple & a slice of Brie for dinner.

I'm on a good eating pattern at the moment as I made lots of meals for the freezer before I had my feet injections....so I am just "melting"

Dinner each evening.....(to soak up the wine!)

Now I'm on 6 monthly infusions I have to be sure to keep over 55kgs or they won't give me the infusion. ...& as they work so well I do make sure I keep up.

I honestly do like sugarless tea...if someone gives me tea with sugar it tastes awful.

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Sorry my luv but you never go cold turkey in anything. Much healthier to slowly cut down.

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So don’t stop immediately you will get horrible headaches. I used to have a teaspoon sugar in both tea and coffee and that adds up when you have 5 or more a day. I warned myself over a few weeks. And then decided I replace my sugar in coffee with half tsp of either honey or maple syrup. It’s yummy.

Now I have date syrup in porridge. It’s still sugar but natural occurring sugars so low glycemic and they’re so much sweeter so you don’t need as much. Plus now I cut my caffeine down to one or two a day and instead have herbal tea. It has completely changed my health. X

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Actually sugar is a very very big inflammatory so cutting it out certainly does help and we should all do so! I don’t think it’s what caused his condition but removing it from his diet it could certainly have helped easy symptoms and allowed the meds to work!

I’ve recently cut all raw sugar ( I’m still having baked treats🙈) but I’m not adding it to my many coffees and teas through the day. Hoping to cut it all out eventually and hopefully it will easy some of my inflammation.

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Maybe that is why my RA is calm as I don't have sugar in anything except my daily glass of Red?

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Red wine is a natural sugar.

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It was like going cold turkey ! I really missed my sweet tea but for me it really helped .

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sometimes I wonder if taking an allergy tablet every day,would you get away with it then?

has anyone tried it and it works?

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I already dream of eating things I don't have anymore, the cravings are awful, I only have to watch tv, I don't watch the film all I notice is what their eating

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but yum look what I found

Simply Delish Chocolate Instant Pudding Mix Sugar Free Dessert (Pack of 6)

might not be so bad

and these, if its as simple as cutting out sugar, it looks easier in what you can have instead

Gullon Sugar Free Biscuits - Chocolate Selecion - x 5 packs

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Aren't they full of preservatives which are thought to be as bad as sugar?

. If you crave something sweet why not try a sweet apple or other fruit?

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I always check ingredients, nutritional info & E numbers of any new product that takes my fancy. Low fat items tend to be high in sugar, especially in yoghurts, so be aware. Also check the quantity quoted. For the pud you mention they're based on only a 9g serving, that doesn't seem a lot of pud! Out of 8 ingredients there are 6 E numbers, high for the amount of ingredients. Of the 3 sweeteners one is aspartame, (E414 is a polysaccharide), another is acesulfame k, sometimes known as ace k, equally as sweet as aspartame, that's a whole other discussion.

When my h became diabetic we initially obviously took care with 'hidden' sugars. Instead of one of our favourites, McVities Dark Chocolate Digestives (or rather the Spanish counterpart, Fontaneda) we tried the Gullón ones (they're a Spanish product). They didn't compare so we stayed with McVities & just had 2 with an afternoon cup of tea instead of 3. Sometimes you can get away with staying with your favourites, just eating less of them than you would normally. Unless you're going totally sugar free, which can be difficult, it's a good compromise & you don't feel cheated which can make a difference between remaining on a plan or not.

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E414 is really good at giving you a Helleva rash if you are allergic to it.

I find anything Orange is likely to contain it!

I now secrete about my person a nifty illuminated magnifying glass to check ingredients ...which today's fashion seems to dictate white writing on grey or pale blue background & is completely indecipherable to the naked eye!

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It can. Do you know I have the same problem with labelling, white on any colour & my arms aren't long enough, the glasses have to go on.

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Look on careco.uk website......I don't go shopping without my magnifier......even with my compensating contact lenses & the glaring overhead lighting in shops the pale print is unreadable!

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Will do, thanks Kathy.

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can yo have milk choc instead nomoreheel? I don't like dark choc

I hear you say no you can't, worth asking though

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The only way to know is like nmh says .....if you .eat 2 chocs...eat one...do that with everything you eat with processed sugars from cakes to baked beans & see if you feel any different.

It's not easy,,but if you are feeling really rotten it could be worth it.

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You're right! Milk chocolate always has more sugar than dark which has more cocoa solids & cocoa butter & less sugar. There's not as much cocoa but there is more milk (normally milk powder), sugar & cream. The obvious answer being dark is better for you but if you only like milk just maybe eat less? Or you could try diabetic chocolate but I bought some for my h one Easter & it wasn't particularly appreciated, but he likes 70% upwards dark chocolate anyway.

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Diabetic chocolate is a great Laxative! I'm sure it's only expensive Exlax in a different shape.

English milk chocolate tastes disgusting...I think that is probably what made me dislike chocolate from childhood....it's almost greasy.....at least the Swiss & Begian milk chocolate is a nice texture.

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Yup. Horrible stuff. I do like Thornton's Continental & even the odd Galaxy but you're right, Swiss & Belgian kick them into a cocked hat. Charbonnel et Walker drinking chocolate is lush, flakes not powder. My treat each Christmas as it's at it's best made with proper milk.

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Have to say that all manufactured sweeteners are very bad. Apart from stevia leaf. Try honey in recipes or maple syrup if you need that sweetness.

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I have had RA for 18 years and hav been on all the drugs and infusions available for RA. Last November i stopped all processed sugar and by January I was completely out of pain and no inflammation. I had my Rituxan in February and was due again in July. I told th doctor I didn’t need it. She did my bloodwork and my inflammation and RA factors were so low that I am only on methotrexate until I see her on December. No pain since January and I am going to the gym four days a week and walking a mile every night woth my dog. My RA was so bad that I had to quit my job after one year and I was only in my early fifties then. I live alone and that as very scary.

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what was your diet totally day to day marycullen also

how did you get round the total none sugar in your diet? did you go diabetic diet?

if you don't mind answering?

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I usually eat healthy except for my sugar addiction. I used to be a smoker about 30 years ago and I believe I switched to processed sugar, especially candy. Whenever I was stressed or in pain there went the sugar into me. Last November when I was away I ran out of my candy and made a decision to stop processed sugar, including cakes, pies, ice cream, etc. by January I was completely out of pain. I have been on every infusion and drug there has been since 2000 when I was diagnosed. I had my rituxan infusion in February and was on a 4 month cycle. In July I told my rheumatologist that I didn’t think I needed my infusion and she took the appropriate blood work and my inflammation was almost completely gone and my RA factor as way low. She is keeping me on methotrexate and I am to see her in December. I still need to rest at times but I am going to the gym 2-3 days a week and walk my dog for a mile every night. I just thank the Lord for every painfree day. I truly be,in e processed sugar is poison to us. I still drink my wine and I eat a lot of fruit but all that is natural sugar. Now I rarely even have bread, potatoes and pasta since I am not as hungry. The best part is that I lost 22 lbs with just cutting out sugar. Hope this helps.

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well its not want I wanted to hear but its what I need to hear, well done and thank you.

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Sadly I cannot tolerate alcohol of any kind, even in teeny amounts despite being a wine lover pre RD, but an occasional cake is fine 🍰

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Oh you poor thing!Everytime I failed on a Dmard my first question about the next choice was 'Can I have wine'? I'm not bothered about cake or chocolate.

I must sound like a lush, but I only drink a glass every evening,.I feel I have had to give up so much of my lifestyle through RA....it's my little bit of defiance!

If I started to feel ill from it I'd stop of course, but I'm clinging on.

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I am sure my ra is trying to make me into some sort of monk

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Unfortunately we all have to tread our own path & experiment with what we can & can't tolerate.

It's not like appendicitis..cut it it out- stitch it up - all better!!

It can be a long old slog,but once you get the right meds your head as well as your body is in a better place & you can begin to get on with your life.

I do hope you get some relief very soon.

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Never thought about sugar but certainly feel it’s what we eat. I don’t know who coined the phrase “you are what you eat” but they are so correct.

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I gave up sugar last week as an experiment. I eat very healthily but I worked out all the hidden sugars add up. My teaspoon of marmalade most mornings, the odd biscuit or shop bought ready meal. The sugar in one week added up to a day’s calories. In one week just cutting out the small amount I consume, I lost 3lbs too. X

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And.... I felt great. Not as many aches and pains. More energy.

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Well done....as long as you don't make yourself miserable by cutting out too much because it contains a bit of sugar,

But for anyone who needs to lose weight it is obviously a good idea & if it helps with aches & pains that's a great bonus!

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I have had endometriosis for 15 years and the only way I have been able to keep the pain under control is an anti inflammatory diet that I dip in and out of depending on how I’m feeling - low sugar and low animal fats. Last year when my joints started hurting and I was exhausted all the time I tried the diet and it did make a difference but just not enough. I was diagnosed with RA later on and I’m on enbrel now and doing well.

I do think that it’s worth trying for anyone, especially someone who isn’t getting enough relief from their medication.

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this is like the who says hes got arthritis and runs marathons i wish i was stood next to him if i could it would been bop IF TRUE he should know better all the peeps he is putting down words are easy

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I don't reallyy get what you are saying, but nobody is saying everyone has to give up sugar to suddenly be "cured" of RA.

Those who feel reducing or even cutting out sugar has helped their RA symptoms are just passing on THEIR. Experiences.

i have never tried giving up all sugars, & as my RA is well controlled I have no intention of doing so.....but for those it helps ....that's great.

By the way...many people with well controlled RA can run marathons.

Just wish I was one of them!

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