Mycoplasma???

Just recently read about the tiniest bacteria discovered, although they are not truly bacteria, nor are they viruses.

Two kinds out of the dozen or so known to affect humans are apparently also implicated in RA and other auto-immune diseases.

If this is accurate, we need to get rid off these mycoplasma from our systems, not suppress the anti bodies ie immune system. Mycoplasma effects change to our cells (implicated in cancer, HIV too, depending on type of mycoplasma).

Changes in cells/genetics trigger a response from killer T cells ie our effective protection via immune system.

T cells ‘read’ through our cell walls to detect ‘foreign’ substances and eradicate them.

So, if mycoplasma get in and change our cells, they are seen as the enemy, hence auto antibodies out to destroy.

That is my understanding but might be missing important clues.

Also found this today, might be worth getting, not got it yet myself:

amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B075QP...

Anyone out there know about cell biology and mycoplasma??

One type causes ‘walking pneumonia’ .

[Simba1992]

Go to Roadback Foundations website. Here You can find all the info you need on mycoplasma, ra connection and the antibiotic protocol that was used by Dr. Brown to bring thousands of RA sufferers into remission. Good reading😊👍🏻

[Hidden in reply to Simba1992]

Thanks Simba 1992!

I will certainly look at Roadback Foundations.

Mycoplasma cannot be affected by antibiotics as they have no cell wall, the target for antibiotics.

I got that kindle book I posted about above too.

[Simba1992 in reply to Hidden]

In Dr. Browns work the antbiotic that did work, in longterm use was Minocykline a tetracycline. Many RA patients still using this with success. We have one on the forum who has her RA in remission with the help of Mino.

[Hidden in reply to Simba1992]

Thanks again, good news.

I found that site.

Will read it later. Got to get moving, walk, then family arriving after lunch.

I really appreciate any info about true cause of immune system disorders as I do not believe the immune system goes awry but is recognising something foreign, albeit in our own cells.

[Simba1992 in reply to Hidden]

I am with you and found this interview that brings forth an other view on autoimmunity quite convincing. Easier to read the text than to listen or do both. Heavy stuff😊👍🏻

raypeatforum.com/community/...

[Hidden in reply to Simba1992]

Got it too, read later. xx

[hawker955]

Mycoplasmas.? Interesting. They are a well-recognized pathogen in farm animals but I'd neer heard of them affecting people in any way! Thanks for posting that.

[helixhelix]

Mycoplasma are well known - I certainly studied them in relation to agriculture at university in the 70's - and there are well over 100 species as I recall.

When you look into many aspects of human science, biology, etc you find amazing processes and happpenings. The real challenge is to understand the interactions between all these hundreds of processes and really nail down critical causal relationships. It's much easier to look at a single process and come to the conclusion that if we just fixed 'X' then all would be well. Unfortunately fixing X can sometimes mean that Y and Z get unbalanced and you are no better off. The immune system is incredibly complex and should be handled with care.

[Hidden in reply to helixhelix]

That is very interesting too.

True too re handling of the immune system, exactly why I do not believe it is good to suppress it and interfere with it long term.

Understanding nature and working with it tends to produce results that we in our ‘wisdom’ do not expect.

So, finding out why the immune system is sending out auto antibodies seems like the obvious thing to look at, and address it when found.

Getting rid of harmful mycoplasma is logical. Stress on harmful! This would settle down symptoms, prevent deformities and allow poor bodies to recover over 1-3 years; chronic disease takes its toll and we need time and rest to fully recover, should we reach a point where the root problem is addressed instead of attacking our own immune systems!

That’s the point I am at anyway, after much investigation over the last two years.

[Simba1992 in reply to Hidden]

Yes why is the immune system sending out autoantibodies? Is it because it is reacting to a pathogen like mycoplasma? Sounds very convenient and it seems at least that in 60% of RA cases treated with Minocykline to get rid of this pathogen, it really seems to work. What about thyroid autoantibodies as a result of excessive x-ray or physical trauma? No pathogen still the immune system attacking own organ! Why does the autoimmune reaction stop when affected tissue leison removed?

The theory where RA seen as a systemic disease affecting the whole body and has its roots in a bioenergetic dysfunction seems to me the most plausible.In this process hormons especially sex hormones play a central role. Women have four times greater incidence of RA. Estrogen is seen as a possible driving force towards autoimmunity since ecess estrogen triggers cortisol production and stops the stopping loop for cortisol. In other words the body is in a constant stress mode with high cortisol that does a lot of damage to tissues and keeps up high estrogen that in turn decreases thyroid function. Hormonal dysfunction is seen in all AI diseases. The autoimmune reaction is seen as a cleaning operation to get rid of the debris of dead and decaying cells, that is not efficient enough because of the metabolic dysfunction leading to a bioenergic dysfunction where cell respiration is at a insufficient level.

If the above would be the case then everything that helps the body to reach an optimal metabolic rate where cells are able to produce optimal amount of energy for different organ functions, would help the body to move towards health. Immunosuppression works in the opposite direction.

Latest research with rats has in fact brought to the forefront the hypothesis that RA in fact may be a metabolic dysfunction that was in this research reversed with high doses of Niacinamide ( Vit. B3). By normalizing dyfunctional glucose metabolism.

I am sorry if this sounds a bit muddled but has inspired me to find new nontoxic ways to reach better health and hopefully remission.

[Hidden in reply to Simba1992]

Hi again!

I am not at the stage of saying/feeling/thinking definitively that mycoplasma are the underlying cause but to me they appear most likely.

Re thyroid dysfunction due to AI attack: I have had Grave’s Disease back in 2000, cured in six months but left with related eye disease (dry). This made the thyroid overactive, not underactive. It was very scary, losing so much weight so fast in spite of eating twice as much!

Nice if I could do that without disease.... LOL

I would like to try natural methods to get remission of RA but there seem to be no options via the NHS, unless someone out there knows better??

[Simba1992 in reply to Hidden]

There are functional integrative medicin doctors in the UK. Imagine not possible through NHS

[Simba1992 in reply to Hidden]

I am doing my own experimenting Have been working on normalizing my metabolic rate and. thyroid function. No longer cold hands and feet. Now my new project since three weeks. High doses of Niacinamide daily. Have noticed clearity of thoughts and less stiffness and pain.😊

[Simba1992 in reply to Simba1992]

Here is a link to the protocol.

doctoryourself.com/kaufman5...

[Hidden in reply to Simba1992]

That’s wonderful!

My daughter in law has got rid of fybromyalgia pain, and is managing low thyroid too by natural methods including boron and borax.

She is resourceful and has found sources in Thailand, where they began working last August, for supplies of all she uses.

She gave me kefir grains. I also make my own fermented veggies when I can.

Hope your health improves to remission and stays that way!

[oldtimer]

Mycoplasma organisms have been studied from as long ago as the 1970s as a possible cause of auto-immune conditions. The results have been confusing and inconclusive, although there are arthritis conditions in animals caused by mycoplasma. In view of the length of time this has been investigated, it looks more likely that it might be one of the triggers rather than a cause. So don't get excited about a possible break-through any time soon!

[Hidden in reply to oldtimer]

Hi oldtimer

I know they were studied way back but abandoned when pharmaceuticals companies produced ‘modern’ drugs for treating RA.

Don’t cover, when it was proposed that vitamin C would cure scurvy, nobody pursued that either, leaving sailors to suffer and die for hundreds of years although you may have been taught that it was James Lind (first clinical trial etc) who found the cure and then it was another fifty years till accepted as a real cure.

mentalfloss.com/article/241...

Likewise, when properly investigated, it could well be that mycoplasma and treatments are rediscovered.

Not going to throw the bath water out till it is certain the baby is not in it!!

[Hidden in reply to oldtimer]

Don’t cover is a typo!

Read, Don’t forget...

[Simba1992 in reply to oldtimer]

There was a lot of politics involved. Quite a big conclusive study that was just ignored ( Dr. Brown). Don't remember off hand what the study was called.

[Hidden in reply to Simba1992]

Yes, thanks, I read about it last year.