Vital3

[Seashoreshanty]

Anyone know anything about this miracle 3 drops per day liquid which helps arthritus just seen it on facebook? Wondered if anyone had tried it?

[oldtimer]

Vital 3 contains collagen derived from chicken, rather than shellfish for chondroitin preparations. I couldn't find any scientific articles for this product. The trials for chondroitin are not very conclusive either way but some people seem to find it helpful for osteoarthritis pain.

Just be careful that you don't get pulled into any expensive long term commitment to buy it if you want to try it.

[Seashoreshanty in reply to oldtimer]

Thanks for the info, yes i am a bit sceptical, would it help RA. I will try to find some more details about it. Sometimes you just hope for a "miracle" cure!

[LindaLegs]

Hi Vital3,

I haven't tried these but have dabbled in the past with other 'cures' for RA .......none worked for me.

I think you have to ask yourself that why would our Rheumies put us on all these powerful drugs with side effects if remedies like this work. I suspect Miracle3 drops aren't cheap either are they?

If you do decide to try them I suggest you check with your GP/Rheumy first just to ensure that they're safe to use with the meds you're taking.

Love, Legs x

[DelicateInput in reply to LindaLegs]

There are many things which help RA which are not available on the NHS so I don't think it is a valid argument to say that just because conventional medicine does not use them, they don't work. They are not allowed to. For instance, I use Chinese herbal medicine and electro acupuncture which is not available to conventional rheumatologists but none has said it does not work - just that it is too expensive to research but the conventional doctors (different specialties) I have seen are very interested in it.

However, I am sceptical of the offer suggested and it is for osteo arthritis anyway, or RA where there is cartilage damage.

[Em13 in reply to DelicateInput]

Interestingly, I keep my rheumatologist informed about what supplements I take, but the one he seems most concerned that I don't take without his knowledge is Traditional Chinese Medicine - which made me immediately suspicious that it might actually work! (When I asked why not he said something about not taking "natural steroids" which lost me as they sounded much more appealing than "unnatural" steroids.) Are the practitioners quite secretive about what the herbs are they are giving you though?

[DelicateInput in reply to Em13]

The TCM tablets I take do not conflict with conventional drugs. I have used them both at the same time and get a better effect than with either individually.

There has been a lot of progress recently in working with TCM practitioners and in the NHS recognising TCM. TCM seems to be complex because they have hundreds of herbs and use them in even more combinations - quite often, I think a complex of herbs alleviates a number of conditions so you do not need everything in any one complex. I suppose it is because they have not diagnosed the problem and a complex can treat numerous conditions. The ones I take contain Danshen, Dong Quai, Frankincense, Myrrh and Liquorice. Under EU law, an importer now has to pay a licence fee of £30,000 per product which means I cannot get them in the UK now. There are others, which are quite good, containing numerous herbs and seem to be aimed at numerous conditions, so a person would be paying for more herbs than they need but I really want the ones I find best, especially as they are quite expensive at around £45/month on my dosage.

I find there is a lot of prejudice, eg I suggested on here and to a friend trying the herbal patches for large limb pain, eg shoulder or knee. I cannot honestly imagine what possible harm a herbal patch can do, yet from the reaction, people seemed to think the patch might kill them yet they are willing to take all sorts of conventional drugs which have dangerous side effects without batting an eyelid. There is also a topical hot drug oil which is good.

An ENT specialist at my hospital told me that they do believe in Chinese medicine but nobody has got the money to research it.

After having been told, after years, that I had a viral infection which would not clear up, I tried Ashwaghanda, which is an Indian herb that is supposed to boost the immune system. It stopped the Chinese tablets and the conventional drugs from working altogether and I had an horrendous flare up in my shoulder. I suppose that supports the theory that RA is caused by the immune system being overactive but I have never personally believed it. I think Ashwaghanda is on the list to be banned as well. It nearly got rid of the bug though and I would really like to try it again, especially as my shoulder is now wonderful.

I am going to have a tour round Chinatown in London, failing which I will probably be having a holiday in Shanghai or Hong Kong. I know I can get them in Hong Kong because I went to the offices of the manufacturers there in January and they told me to go to a TCM pharmacist - which are in every street. As they cost the same as in the UK, I did not bother getting a supply but I did not know they were being banned, as otherwise I would have done. The manufacturers have stunning palatial offices in the Convention Centre, so they are not some back street operation peddling dangerous rubbish.

[AgedCrone in reply to LindaLegs]

If any of these wonder "cures" worked the NHS would have enough cash to send us all to the Caribbean for the Winter ✈️⛱🍾🍸👙 !!!

On the upside at least we are still optimistic enough to believe that something...... ANYTHING ....might help with this wretched disease!

There must come a day when there is a research break through, but I wish it would bloomin' well hurry up!

[benjijen]

I would steer clear of anything advertised on facebook. There doesn't seem to be much control over their ads. If you do still want to try it then do some research first. If you can't find any then beware.

[Ali_H]

I think the clue is in the use of the word miracle!

Better off spending your money on real, healthy nutrients and vitamins via healthy eating or (in the case of elusive Vit D3) genuine supplement sources.

Ali

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It just frusterates me so much when healthy people push their "miracle" products on people who are suffering.

[nomoreheels]

I don't know the product but wary of the people who use powerful words to name products & use this type of advertising to rely on sales. The name of the product 'Vital' suggests you must have it, that it's essential, subliminally you're drawn to it because they say you need it, supported by saying just 3 'potent' drops a day is all you need of this 100% natural product, seems too good to be true. So, do your research, draw your own conclusions rather than them telling you it's so important you can't do without it.

[Seashoreshanty]

Well hearing about another one my sister in law swears by it... MAX GXL called Ogf anyone tried this ?

[LindaLegs in reply to Seashoreshanty]

I haven't heard of this Nairny. I think we all try some form of 'miracle cure' along Road-Rheumatoid in desperation to be well again! At one time my mother-in-law was dosing me with a tablespoon daily dose of Black Strap Molasses, then it was 3 Brazil nuts, Evening Primrose, etc. Just lately she passed me a magazine cutting for copper heelers which I won't be buying, but she never gives up!

If your sister-in-law swears by it then it's great she's found something which helps her. We all have different body chemistry at the end of the day though I think mine's still in laboratory playing with the Bunsen burner, that's why these remedies don't work for me!

Love, Legs x

[Em13 in reply to Seashoreshanty]

Haven't heard of this one either! But I do take some of the things it contains as separate supplements.

[Em13]

If this is collagen-based, if you enter UC-ii into the search box here, it will bring up a message from Julie-R which refers to her success with a collagen product - UC-ii. CMO might be a similar product. The ingredients put me off!

[Seashoreshanty]

Glutathione is the ingredient which it says is already in the body, but as we grow older then it decreases. This is what the max gxl is replacing? It does say it helps arthritus so erm dont know

[gaymamma]

You know that old adage....

If it seems too good to be true it probably is?!....

Avoid the quack 'cures'

If the NHS could prescribe 3 drops of oil and sort us all out I'm very sure they would!

X

[Seashoreshanty]

Yea you are right gaymamma. I think i listen to other peoples opinions and also read loads to figure out what is best, just feeling down in the dumps i think! So onwards with the LEF at the moment thanks