Hey all! Wanted some input. I've limited my animal protein consumption to once a day (I sometimes have eggs in the morning but then a lean meat at dinner) which my Nephrologist says he's fine with me doing but I still wanted some input from others living this lifestyle. How often do you eat meat? Before I found out about my kidney troubles I had been focusing on bulking up and because of that my renal dietician recommended I eat about 100 grams of protein but nothing more than that.
I want to do whatever I can to keep myself healthy as I have a lot of life to live.
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I too am experiencing current weight issues. I have a low BMI and I am trying to increase my weight to at least 120 - 130 lbs. I am at 88 lbs now. Learning how to eat multiple balanced meals on a daily basis. Hoping to get there very soon.
I lost about 100 pounds because I wanted to be healthier, I had no idea I had stage 2 CKD. I want to gain more muscle but the protein scare keeps me from eating it consistently even though I've been told I'm good to eat it. Having difficulty trusting medical professionals because I work with them in my field and they don't always do due diligence until it's a life threatening issue.
I would recommend finding a renal dietician because everyone is different. 100 grams of protein is a lot for a renal diet, but it depends on many different things. You are young and may need more than someone my age. But I was consuming only 30 grams total all day. I stayed away from most animal protein but then added chicken and eggs back in because I needed more. I have not eaten red meat since 1986. Plant based protein is much healthier for kidneys than animal protein.
I do have a renal dietician along with a Nutriontinist and I took a metabolic test through one of them. They recommended 65-95 grams of protein because of my workout habits. The renal dietician then increased it to 100 being the maximum. I weigh 220 pounds, 13 percent body fat as of recently, most of my weight is skeletal muscle. I do weight training 3- 4 times a week.
Most of my protein comes from nuts, seeds, eggs and power greens. I have lean protein for dinner every night but only one serving.
You are right, for a renal diet 100 grams did seem like a lot and I just feel like I get a lot of mixed info. I don't hit 100 daily, mostly stick to the 70s and 80s but only do 100 on a workout day. I figured I'd get some good guidance here. I just don't know what to do a lot. One moment I feel confident but then I talk to a professional and I feel more lost. I track all my meals but then I was told it probably isn't the best to do all the time because it can cause stress orthorexia. I feel like there isn't a lot of guidelines for stage 2 and I want to do all I can not to progress.
You are right Bassetmommer, we are different. My CKD diet is limited to 65 grams of protein. , and limited on phosphorus, potassium and sodium. It is a challenge but is worth it. Age likely plays into it also.
I dont want to add to your clear confusion but, at stage 2 or 3, Id personally listen more to a qualified Nutritionist than a Renal Dietician for overall health from a more holistic perspective.
Ive linked below a report indicating protein consumption restriction may be overplayed, even at stage 3, and a comparison between Nutritionists, Dieticians and Nutritional Therapists.
Its basically a balance between overall health and a specific condition, which overall health improvement may help manage anyhow. For example, a RD may restrict protein which could result in life-threatening sarcopenia. The question is was that restriction necessary? My 1st link earlier suggests maybe not.
It was an example to try to explain the difference between managing overall/general health holistically and focusing solely on renal health. Over-restricting other nutrients key for general health but frowned on for renal eg potassium, sodium...., could be others.
Either approach may apply, depending on the patient's condition. I'm quite sure that a qualified NT would refer to a RD if more appropriate, less so the other way around.
No need to respond to that as it's clear to me now that you'll disagree and this thread will extend too far.
For the same reason, no need to reply to my last response 11h ago asking how successful your RD was for you. I thought the OP might find that useful as he has both and may find growing discrepancy between them. But I've noted your reply to him and he may decide based on that.
Bonjour, mon mari souffre d une insuffisance rénale chronique,la néphrologue conseille 150 gr de protéines par jour et manger sans sel ,pas de kiwi et bananes qui contiennent beaucoup de potassium
There was a decades long population study that involved CKD patients, protein consumption and mortality. The study found that patients with eGFR greater than about 30 lived significantly longer it they ate plenty of protein. So listen to your dieticians! (Sorry, I lost the link to the study, but you can probably find it with a search engine or by looking up my previous posts)
Maybe that study is included in the References in the paper I linked earlier indicating concern about protein consumption is overdone?
When you say listen to his dieticians, do you not mean his nutritionist(s)? I understand that renal dieticians tend to restrict nutrients like protein.
As indicated earlier, Im referring to qualified, registered Nutritional Therapists and Nutritionists. Here in the UK, qualified NTs are regulated and registered by BANT bant.org.uk/bant/content/pd...
But a key point beyond qualifications and registrations is patient experience. My personal experience with a (non-renal) dietician was poor and Ive read from others that the approach of RDs is often less individualised than it is with qualified/registered NTs. From my experience, I can vouch for the latter for my overall health.
So, as you should note above, my response to the OP was largely based on personal experience which I believe is primarily what we should be giving on here.
I have stopped meat, as it scared the life out of me. I only eat salmon and some white fish now. But as a treat 1 x a week I have a chicken breast . It's a minefield out there . I've researched and researched its crazy getting your head round the does and don't, which gave me anxiety. But I'm slowly getting my head around it . It's not just the protien, it's the amount of pottasium and Phosphorus in food that's the silent culprit . Hope you get sorted .
Fish protein is easier for kidneys to process than animal protein, and plant protein is easier than fish protein.
You don’t mention how old you are or cause of your CKD (you do NOT have to, it’s your business!) The only reason I point that out is that your function may deteriorate more quickly or slowly depending on the cause and your age.
Stage 2 is only mild loss of function. The worse your kidneys get, the more restricted your diet is. Trust the professionals, listen to what they say, and adjust accordingly.
Studies have shown that a plant based diet is healthiest for your heart as well as kidneys. Of course, you have to take a vitmain B12 supplant and that’s not found in plant based diet. I would say egg whites is your best bet for that. Or a pill.
I am also of the opinion that if your kidneys are going to fail, following a kidney diet is not going to save you. My own belief is it depends on the cause.I saw a dietician and did everything right, my kidneys still failed, I went on dialysis, and now have a transplant. Would they have failed sooner if I had not reduced my protein intake? I’m highly skeptical. Who can say?
I'm 27.Cause, suspected to be due to high blood pressure caused by Covid or extended periods of dyhdration but nothing genetic noted, cyst, anything like that. Nephrologist says from the looks of things my kidneys themselves are the correct size, structure, with mild irritation on the right kidney. He isn't concerned about progression but recommends I be monitored.
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