Do any of you in Stage 4 eat Chicken Noodle Soup, etc.? I also have very low BP and have to take Midodrine daily to keep a normal BP. So, the salt in the soup would be helpful. Is the sodium content the only reason they say we shouldn't have too much soup? If BP is low, is it okay to eat? Thanks!
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Stage 4 - Soup?
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I was diagnosed at 3b and put on diet that restricts sodium. I do not eat canned soup but Lipton Chicken soup in a package or soup made from broth/cubes. I also watch amount I eat.
Thank you. Never tried Lipton soup, but will have to.
You can also control the amount of sodium per serving. Use only 1/2 the pack and increase water amount.
I also eat the Lipton soup only on occasionally.
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Chicken soup is best when made yourself. Any processed foods are not great for CKD. Even though you don't need it, eating something very salty can play on your system. So delute it and have it once in a while.
Here's my homemade chicken soup recipe.
One rotisserie chicken. Pull the meat off the bones. Put bones in a crock pot and simmer over night with enough water to cover the bones. Take out and strain the broth. Add seasonings such as basil, thyme and black pepper and Tons of garlic. I add fresh onion and garlic. If you want to make a lot, I add salt free chicken broth or veggie broth, from the store. Add to broth a bag of frozen veggies. Bring to boil until veggies are how you like them. I also add macaroni of your choice. We use ditalini. Add back meat how much eat you want and enjoy. Make enough to freeze.
Thanks for the recipe. Sounds good!!
Hi! I use Kitchen Basics unsalted chicken stock as my broth base, I then add in precooked good size pieces of carrot, onion & celery. I also sauté a diced shallot & fresh garlic & add to the broth. I do not add any chicken meat to my soup. The soups is very tasty, I am eating some good veggies. I make a pot of this every week. Hope this offers another choice for you. I add in some ditalini at the end.
Thank you. Yes, it does help.
Sounds good too. I add the meat because I am on dialysis and need the protein.
Yes, I understand.
Do you want to get better?
I just wanted an answer to a question.
I'm on dialysis and I do and have eaten chicken noodle soup. What I've done I pour out most of the broth and rinse the noodles with water. I eat the noodle parts with a fork.
Thank you so much!!
Make sure you are taking vitamin D3 5000iu daily with K2 100mcg daily. Very important. No vitamin D2!!!
I have been on D3 for many years. I worked for a doctor who checked every patient that walked into the office. 95% were deficient!!! I was as well. Thanks!!
Can I ask how much you are on?
I'm currently taking 4,000 iu daily. My level is 56 - 58. Took 50,000 iu once weekly initially, but have been maintained on 4,000 iu daily for years now.
i was on vit. 3 1000iu for the past 6.5 years ,1 x per day. my levels were always normal until feb. 24 when i tested in the toxic range. nephrologist immediate discontinued. i am in ckd stage 3. watch vitamin d toxicity can make your disease much worse.
meant to say vitamin d. 3
Thanks. I'm checked every three months and it has remained stable for years. You do have to watch it carefully.
im also checked and have been for years and it shot up to a toxic level in a 3 month period.
I am taking 2000 IU of D3 per day and it is being monitored. It is no longer out of range but still in lower range.
It is the stock made from the bones that is not allowed.
Thanks so much!
I read that there is beneficial nutrients in chicken stock. Maybe moderation is the answer?
Moderation is always good!!
use no sodium brands of stock, if it is store bought. low sodium still has a lot of sodium .
Having too much fluid can be a problem, you could be overboard in fluid and that’s something to watch.
Thanks!
Of course it's best to make your own soup but if you are in a pinch, Campbell's makes a low sodium chicken soup that has only 60 mg of sodium in the whole 7.25 oz can.
Thanks so much!!
if no Fluid retention at feet and legs and BP ON LEVEL then okay for soup.
I just deal with my diet the way my Nephrologist and Renal Dietician are leading me. I just had one question about soup because I have low BP and didn't think it would hurt to have it in MODERATION. Not intending to cause any problem on this forum. Have a blessed day!!
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My opinion is that of Jumbo1. One of the important things is that you still pee normally. If you don’t pee much and have a tendency to retain fluid, then you need to be careful. Where in the range of stage 4 are you (GFR)? I am on the high end of stage 4 and I pee a lot. I do not put any diet restrictions on myself except to watch my potassium intake. I think another data point is, how stable have you been at stage 4. My GFR has not varied much for the past 4 years. Hope this helps!
miraclelady in reply to
It does help. I've been in stage 4 for almost four years. GFR right around 20. Sodium level is usually low, potassium and phosphorus are normal. Creatinine is just high.
As far as I've read it's the sodium in soup that Drs worry about.
Thank you for replying!!
sodium content is even very high in dry soups and bullion cubes. they are loaded with sodium. sodium restricts blood flow which is never good.
I have always ate to my Labs....What might be bad for someone might be just fine for someone else....(within common sense)...No matter what stage you are in. Kidney disease is as unique as your fingerprint.
Love this!!! Thank you so very much. I deal with low BP daily, so the soup helps!!! My dietician says it really doesn't have anything else in it to hurt me!!! But, I do this sparingly!!!
sodium value in your labs has nothing to do with how much sodium you should be consuming. low sodium in your labs often has to do with too much fluid in your blood or another comorbidity. speak with your nephrologist about any low or high sodium levels.
I would too...I think we deny ourselves the joy of eating things that are most likely fine...If you are doing Labs and they are staying in range, your kidneys are tolerating it.....on the other hand, if you see Potassium raise up then eat a little less high Potassium foods ..Our whole body needs nutrients,..
One thing I might suggest about salt is I use Course Pink Himalayan Salt to season my food instead of table salt...it does not have the Iodine in it...and just a few grains is very tasty so I don't have to use much.
Thank you. I have just quit using the salf shaker for the most part, but sure miss it on salads, etc. Will have to try the seasoning.
it is still considered sodium. i would watch any type of sodium / salt that you use.
I didn't mention Sodium Levels...and she dies not have a Salt restriction and she has low BP..not high
if you have ckd you have a salt restriction.
Not true...if you have low blood pressure you are told to drink a small amount of pickle juice to bring it into normal range...low blood pressure can be as bad as high blood pressure...The restrictions depend on what caused the ckd
i would not drink pickle juice under an circumstances and i would question any doctor who would prescribe that you do. sodium is not just a problem in high blood pressure it affects your entire vascular system. the last thing you want with ckd is for poor blood flow in any part of your body.if your blood pressure is low you want to be eating foods that naturally have adequate sodium content.
Are you on Dialysis ?
By natural foods enriched with sodium, do you mean like dairy , meats an cheese...which are not to be eaten with ckd ?...
there is a natural sodium content in many fresh vegtables.
Yes...small amounts...too slow to increase your BP fast enough if you are suffering from low BP...
Again...she does not have high BP...she has low BP daily...Low Blood Pressure can be as dangerous as high BP
She is also under the care of her Nephologist and Dietician and the Dietician okayed her soup
if the dietician specializes in renal problems or disease other wise any regular dietician is not going to be very helpful.
Any Dietician will want your medical history...Her Nephologist apparently sent her to a Nephologist Dietician, most likely to one employed by his Office
i have never seen or heard of a renal dietician being employed by a nephrologist.
Well you are wrong...The are very often in the Clinic with the Nephologist
i have not seen it in the city of boston where i live and we have some of the best doctors and hospitals in the world.
I live in a very small Midwestern town...and we have 2 Dieticians in our Clinic...and they work hand in hand with the Nephologist...
I was told to eat chicken noodle soup when I had severe dehydration , it help me there and it was my kidney doc who told me to do it said it unusual but I needed to get it in control or I would end up in hospital so sometimes chicken noodle soup can be a benefit I would ask your kidney doctor if you could have it for low blood pressure . I know when I went through a time of super low blood pressure I was giving a medication to bring up my blood pressure that when my bp was staying like 70/40. I don’t recall the name I didn’t take it long my bp did get back to normal as sometimes it does get low it used to be high before I was on dialysis
Thanks so much. That would be when I would eat it -- when my BP was really low or when I was sick and had gotten dehydrated and needed fluids!!
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