Mucus is the cause of disease

[shaun8]

If you don't want to end up on dialysis, read the mucusless diet healing system. Mucus forming foods is the cause of nearly all disease.

There's also a Facebook support group.

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador]

I read information on it and recommends medical supervision on this type of diet. Many of us are on prescribed CKD diets, which help us.

[shaun8 in reply to orangecity41]

Yep low protein plant based diets are good, but this is a level up

[Marvin8]

Finally, a cure.

[Sophiebun11 in reply to Marvin8]

I enjoy sarcasm LOL!!!

[Marvin8 in reply to Sophiebun11]

Unfortunately, it's the only thing I'm good at.

[oceansplash]

I've read it. Are you on it? What stage? I think maybe with amino's it may be possible.

[Bassetmommer NKF Ambassador]

How do people come up with this stuff..... "mucus is the cause of all diseases"..... excuse me? Mucus is a defense mechanism and we need it for protection. Wow, this was a real doozy. The only thing is that I agree with eating clean and veggies is a good thing. I also agree with intermitting fasting but that's not for everyone. The guy wrote this book in 1924. If it was a cure, then why do we still have disease almost 100 years later?

[WYOAnne NKF Ambassador in reply to Bassetmommer]

AMEN!!!

[chicablue in reply to Bassetmommer]

Thank you!

[shaun8 in reply to Bassetmommer]

Maybe because nobody follows his teachings?I'm not going to get into the specifics because you seem pretty closed without reading the book (he actually had kidney disease himself)

[Bassetmommer NKF Ambassador in reply to shaun8]

And why would no body follow his teachings if it worked?????????? I looked at some of the information. Like I said, I agree with some of the diet. What I do not agree with, and actually have a huge problem with, is when someone makes a DECREE that it is a cure all or something as stupid as mucus causes all diseases. Really? Maybe some real science might help with the purpose for mucus...... sciencedirect.com/topics/me...

sciencenewsforstudents.org/...

sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/...

[shaun8 in reply to Bassetmommer]

People want a quick fix, this is a lifestyle that most aren't prepared to do

[Sophiebun11 in reply to shaun8]

Where are links to it working?

I've followed a vegan/vegetarian diet since I was age 10 and I have Stage 4 CKD.

I guess I don't know how to follow a diet, is that what you are saying about those who won't believe your "mucus" fad diet?

I diet and avoid meat because I love animals, not because I believe it is a CURE ALL DISEASES DIET.

[shaun8 in reply to Sophiebun11]

I don't recall saying cure, I believe I said mucus is the cause. Give it a read it may suprise you

[Sophiebun11 in reply to shaun8]

If it's THE cause, then you could cure it with the diet. Isn't that your point. That is what others are saying. You must see more skeptical replies than anything else.

You refuse to say anything about your experience with this, about any improvement, if any.

Why are you avoiding all the questions you've received and are only giving defensive replies?

[shaun8 in reply to Sophiebun11]

Cause and cure are different. A useful analogy: if you smash your knee 50 times with a hammer then that will be the cause of the problem, however by stopping using the hammer doesn't mean you are cured as you could have done irreparable damage... But it's still a good idea to stop with the hammer.

Not defensive replies, just you obviously have your mind decided already.

My numbers are back in the normal range. From lowest was 65 I think now back to above 90, I will find old results

[Sophiebun11 in reply to shaun8]

What was your eGFR and what is it now that you are cured by the diet? How long did it take you to become cured? Is it also supposed to cure diabetes, hypertension, and autoimmune disease which will still be causing CKD? Cure is a big word with a huge promise. That is what people are objecting to, plus you provide no link.

[CatOnACloud in reply to Bassetmommer]

*guffaw*

Life is all about balance eh. Extreme diets are edicts essentially with wildly false claims. If it helps some then great! But I’m with you on the proclamations bit of this one ending CKD. I needed a chuckle though

[Sophiebun11 in reply to Bassetmommer]

I totally disagree with the word CURE. If it was discussed as a diet which may help or even "control", I think more would be open.

Just as I don't care for the title of Lee Hull's book "STOPPING Kidney Disease". He is intentionally misleading. Initially it sounds like it is a "cure" or it is guaranteed to stop your CKD from progressing. Those are not guarantees those people can make.

I couldn't agree with you more.

An allergist and pulmonologist told me to eliminate dairy or "mucous causing" foods from my diet to help my asthma. There is NO CURE for asthma, just as there is NO CURE for CKD. There are things, and diets, which can help but that is far from a cure.

Mucus is not the cause and eliminating mucous foods will not cure anything, although it may give some improvement/relief in some ailments.

[horsie63 in reply to shaun8]

What about my rare eye disease? I don't think mucus is responsible for a genetic defect that's causing my blindness.

[shaun8 in reply to horsie63]

When did this start ti happen,since birth?

[horsie63 in reply to shaun8]

Nope it was discovered during a routine eye exam about 8 years ago. It's possible it's been there a long time but until I started causing blind spots no one noticed.

[shaun8 in reply to horsie63]

I didnt say all disease. But most chronic ones, diabetes/2 cancers any autoimmune, artritis ect all from wrong living.

[horsie63 in reply to shaun8]

I beg to differ...I have Graves Disease which is an autoimmune disease that causes hyperthyroidism. It's genetic in nature and has nothing to do with "wrong living".

[shaun8 in reply to horsie63]

Maybe. But i think ts same as CKD, i beleive itd just from inflammatory lifestyle over years and body gets congested

[Lucido]

Shaun8. A few questions. Who wrote what book in 1924. Authors name and book title would be interesting and a link to information. I see you have been a member since 2019. How has the diet worked for you? Have your GFR numbers gone up? Have any of the other markers improved? I'm new to this and find switching to a plant based diet difficult enough. I don't have hours to cook and have no heath food grocery stores nearby. I'm 75, stage 3a, not closed minded and have fibromyalgia. So a diet has to help both.

[shaun8 in reply to Lucido]

Arnold ehret is the author. The book annotated by prof spira is the one I read.

[RoxanneKidney]

Aside from the fish listed. I eat all that stuff. I would not recommend going gung-ho with the fish. But that is just me.

[Sophiebun11]

I hate to be the one to give you a reality check but the cause of CKD is hypertension, type 2 diabetes, genetics, autoimmune disease.

Mucus is NOT the cause of anything except for a waste of tissues.

Foods like dairy can increase mucus if you are allergic but that is not a cause it's an effect.

Please don't buy into fads and believe charlatans.

[shaun8 in reply to Sophiebun11]

It's okay

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[Bassetmommer NKF Ambassador]

Shaun,

The reason people are being so adamant about these kinds of claims and books like this is that many, MANY people fall into the trap of buying the book or the product and end up getting hurt. Not only monetarily, but in some cases medically. They get their hopes up and then they get dashed when it does not work. If you read carefully what people are saying to you is that the diet is actually good for CKD for the most part. But nothing...NOTHING cures CKD. The other issue is saying mucus is bad for you. Did you look at the scientific links I posted??? Probably not.

So, it is not about emotion or arguing to just argue. It is about protecting other people from believing false information and getting hurt.

And for the fact, I am not close-minded. I am a well- educated person who was the Director of Education in a major health care facility for many years. I believe in science.

[shaun8 in reply to Bassetmommer]

Yes I know mucus has a function in the body to protect stomach linings ect, but that not what I'm talking about, it's excess mucus and mucus forming foods which clog up our system.

I'm not doubting your intelligence either.

[Blackknight1989]

What a crock. Be careful people, I’ve had stage IV since ‘96 and have seen others go off on “miracle” cures like this only to end up needing a transplant 10/15 years early. Plenty of websites out there to give you precise guidance on diet and if in the US plus Medicare you are approved for yearly consultations with a renal dietitian.