Pasta can I eat

[Tony04]

Pasta been reading if I can eat or not I get different opinions also white rice can someone give me their opinion please.

[Hidden]

I provided a list of foods in a previous posting that was high in potassium, phosphorus, and sodium. What your limits are depends on your lab values and your conversations with your nephrologist and renal dietitian.

[Tony04 in reply to Hidden]

At the moment I’m waiting for appointment with a Kidney specialist all I have at the moment is my GP which isn’t much help I can’t go and ask home what I can eat all the time. Once I get to see my specialist and a dietitian I will be in a better situation it’s just my wife asked can I eat pasta we Googled it some said yes some said no, if I annoyed you with my post just ignore in future and don’t reply.

[Hidden in reply to Tony04]

Again, check your previous thread where I posted the foods to avoid or minimize. Until you get appointments, all you can do is avoid those foods or eat small amounts. Sodium and potassium amounts per serving are listed on labels. Phosphorus is only sometimes listed.

[RoxanneKidney in reply to Hidden]

If you don't have high sugar...a serving of pasta is like only 1 cup of dry...or something. Watch the sauce. Make your own to avoid the high sodium. If you have protein problems, note the protein in the serving size.

[Tony04 in reply to RoxanneKidney]

I want my old good working kidneys back 😭😭

[RoxanneKidney in reply to Tony04]

Me too, bro. me too.

[itzmich in reply to Tony04]

We all do, so we understand.

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador]

Best to contact a dietitian for an answer. What is in my diet may not be in another's diet. I am restricted on amount on my prescribed CKD diet.

[Tony04 in reply to orangecity41]

It gets so complicated to do the right thing gone are the days where I could eat whatever was put in front of me. Here in Australia Melbourne we are in lockdown again with just 19 active cases but that means it’s hard to get a appointment with a kidney specialist or a dietitian so I’m hoping to find some answers in this forum .Thank you for ur message.

[Hidden in reply to Tony04]

Look at your post regarding Statins. When you post, read all of the responses.Have you gone to kidneyschool.org and viewed the learning modules provided?

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador in reply to Tony04]

Yes it can be difficult when first diagnosed it can be nerve wracking with many different thoughts. . I know a class went to on Chronic Kidney Disease helped me. The class on internet that Mr Kidney suggested is helpful too in understanding CKD. Maybe you can find such a class in Australia. Knowledge is always helpful. Keep us posted on your progress.

[Tony04 in reply to orangecity41]

Thank you yes it overwhelming at the moment every time I want to eat I find myself thinking can I eat this , I think I’m right that I can eat most things if they are only in small portions I hope I’m right can’t wait to talk to a dietitian.

[alport45 in reply to Tony04]

Hi Tony. Are you a diabetic? I'm not and have kidney disease since infancy. I'm now 76 and just went on dialysis. I've never been told to limit pasta or rice but I know those foods are problematic for diabetics. Davita has recipes that you can filter depending on whether you are pre dialysis, on dialysis, diabetic, non diabetic. Their site has lots of discussion about diet in general, too. Reading the resources suggested as well as looking at Davita's site might give you enough info to ease your mind until you get that meeting with a nephrologist and a dietician. I get your frustration. I have over the years, sometimes been resentful of all the things one has to give up with kidney disease. I remember being at one seminar with a doctor discussing diet. Someone newly diagnosed asked "You keep telling us what we can't eat. I want to know what I can eat." Before the doc could answer, an old guy in the back said "Paper, and not much of that!" We all cracked up because that's just the way it feels.

[Tony04 in reply to alport45]

No not a diabetic thank god I seem to have everything else including prostate cancer bladder cancer don’t need any more problems and now this kidney problem. I’m just struggling to find what is ok to eat wouldn’t anything be okay to eat as long as I had only small portion ?

[alport45 in reply to Tony04]

Here's my experience on small portions of foods I crave. I had two dieticians tell me I was being too hard on myself and to loosen up. For instance, I was told I could have beans (phosphorous) 1/2 a cup in a big pot of soup a couple of times a month. Also nuts, 1/2 oz a couple of times a month. I hope you'll find that your kidney team is as understanding.

[Tony04 in reply to alport45]

Gee half a cup every couple of months now that sounds like torture it’s bad enough having this disease but no beer no enjoying ur self with a pizza or fish and chips on a Friday night it’s very hard .

[48750 in reply to Tony04]

No suggestion just relating to the pizza and fish and chips comment. I’m right there with you.

[Tony04 in reply to 48750]

I honestly find it dreadful I have recently purchased a weekend getaway in a lovely part of Victoria when all the other people are around the camp fire drinking beer eating whatever they like I’m standing there bored .

[48750 in reply to Tony04]

You’re not alone with those feelings. It’s hard to be upbeat all the time. Hang in there. We’re all in the same boat putting one foot in front of the other a day at a time.😁

[Tony04 in reply to 48750]

My life was going fine nice home retired I live alone with my little dog Jessie love to relax at home and spoil myself with a pizza or Urber eats now I find life so boring it goes to show u never know what life has for us. When I had prostate and bladder cancer I thought that was dreadful but I’m finding this much worse.

[Jayhawker in reply to Tony04]

I splurge occasionally and have a small pizza. It’s vegetable only. No tomato sauce and very light on the cheese. I love the roasted vegetables with a garlic sauce rather than a tomato sauce. I also go very light on the cheese and use Parmesan… I sometimes have the light cracker-style crust.

I just calculate everything out to stay within my daily targets for sodium etc,

Also, tacos are pretty much out but I have a wonderful recipe for sheet pan fajitas that is definitely renal friendly. Basically any vegetable toasted with herbs, especially garlic and onions will be great.

Jayhawker

[48750 in reply to Jayhawker]

Why are tacos out if you use your own seasoning and not the packets?

[48750 in reply to Tony04]

When I found out I had hypoglycemia and had to cut out sugar, white flour, etc,, I thought that was bad. Like you, once I got kidney disease and discovered the foods I could or couldn’t have it was very depressing to say the least. Lesson? It can always be worse.Using your test results are the best way to find out what you can eat and what you can’t. I have high blood pressure and already had been staying away from using the salt shaker and buying lo sodium or no sodium foods. Talking to a nutritionist helped me. She had my test results. Before talking to her I was buying low potassium foods. I learned from her that my potassium was normal. It’s best to know what your tests read. Everyone is different. I’m no expert here and don’t claim to be. I find that sharing my experience and hearing other’s experiences helps. Who knows, you may be able to have that small pizza but if you’re anything like me, I don’t do small. lol I pray a lot asking God to help me stay on the path of healthy eating, but I am human and don’t do everything perfectly. 😄🙃

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador in reply to alport45]

On my CKD diet am limited on rice and pasta. Less rice than pasta.

[Raji838]

Rice, preparation is important, soak it in normal water for 3 hr drain it refill do this couple of times.when boiling half way through drain it add hot water again drain n refill with hot water now boil till cooked and drain.

[Tony04 in reply to Raji838]

Now that’s very hard the only way I cook rice and I love my rice I cook using rice cooker

[Raji838 in reply to Tony04]

Friend portion size is first n foremost always.

[KidneyCoach NKF Ambassador in reply to Raji838]

Why the soaking, draining and cooking of rice that way? What are benefits?

[Raji838 in reply to KidneyCoach]

You actually leach out carbs etc . Our elders always did it. Our generation onwards we stopped doing it!

[Tony04]

Thank you that’s excellent advice I have arranged a blood test tomorrow.

[lowraind]

I believe it is dangerous to ask for someone to give you their opinion regarding what you are able to eat. Many people have very different opinions, not always science based.

[Tony04 in reply to lowraind]

Oh excuse me ……

[Bet117 NKF Ambassador in reply to Tony04]

Hi Tony,

I can totally understand your frustration regarding diet and what and how much to eat.

Every person is different and their bodies respond differently.

If your GP is not helpful, nor your Urologist, my thought is to call patient services at your local hospital and ask if you might have a word with the Dietician who works with their renal and diabetic patients. Most have a place that you can speak in the hospital. Mine had an office when she wasn't seeing patients who were hospitalized and made time for me.

The hospital dietician met with me and gave me great ideas.

Bring a copy of your present lab results as well as a list of the basic foods that you eat and those that you would like to.

Ring them or him/ her up.

Let us know how things went.

B..

[Bet117 NKF Ambassador in reply to lowraind]

Agreed. Additionally, everyone's biochemistry and health needs are different. What may be good for one person, even in moderation, may not be good for another.

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador in reply to lowraind]

My CKD diet is based on factors like sodium, potassium, phosphorus, protein and also acidic content. If someone were to limit potassium for example and there was no bloodwork indicator to limit , it could cause low potassium and could be dangerous.

[KidneyCoach NKF Ambassador]

I can't recall stage you are in. For now I would suggest being cautious and eating smaller portions of high potassium, phosphorus and sodium. As a dialysis patient, (20 years) and well controlled diabetic (A1c 6.2) 22 years I have never been told rice or pasta should be avoided -- but that is MY experience. Nobody can say for certain what you can or cannot eat, only your physician/dietitian. I hope this helps.

[Bet117 NKF Ambassador in reply to KidneyCoach]

Agreed, Kidney Coach!

[Bassetmommer NKF Ambassador]

Tony, All good advice from my fellow colleagues. This easy solution is to plan out your diet. Use a food tracker. I use MYFITNESSPAL.COM. This way you know what you are eating, how much and how little. For example, eating pasta. You can eat that if even if you are limiting carbs if you measure and stick to a portion. One cup is a pretty tiny serving but has 200 calories and high carb. Another trick is to add protein when eating carbs and fiber. Since protein is something you want to limit for CKD, measuring how much you eat is important. If you whole wheat pasta, the fiber helps to limit the glycemic impact. The food tracker is good because it will track your daily input. So if you limit you carbs for the day, and plan on having pasta, you can eat more. See how that works?

[Raji838 in reply to Bassetmommer]

Thanks, just downloaded app it’s really good

[RoxanneKidney]

Make your own sauce and load it up with veggies and mushrooms. Stick to the serving size. Dont overdue it.