Is it me or is there no such thing as thinner blood?

I have been told time after time that this thins your blood and will help with issues etc. But can they/us stop treating people like children. You INR tells you how quick your blood clots compared to an average person (normal) taking warfrin just slows this process down so that your blood takes longer to clot. It does not turn your blood from yoghurt to milk.

If we can not get the correct information out there to the patience then it just slows down the learning process of how to treat the problem.

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  • Personally, I think it is the doctor's job to make certain a patient understands their medical condition. Patient education is part of the job. It's up to the patient to ask questions and go to the appointment prepared with good questions in order to get good answers. Doctors are not mind readers. Well, most of them arn't. We, the patients, have to take responsibility for our own understanding. Don't be intimidated by a doctor. Say, STOP, the very second you get lost in what he is saying, so he knows he has to back up to where you lost what he was trying to say. Remind him you didn't go to 12 years of medical school and that's why you're paying him. For his educated opinion. No more, no less. It's as much our responsibility to understand as it is the doctor's responsibility to make certain we do.

    Just one woman's opinion.

    Canary

  • Warfarin DOES change the viscosity of the blood, making it thinner allowing the 3 types of blood cells that makeup the blood flow easier. However, INR only measures the effect warfarin has on you blood as is related to vitamin K. The affect of Salicylates is one of the things that is not reflected in you INR but can cause you to bleed like a pig if too much is ingested regardless of how high you INR is. The ratio if white to red blood cells are also not measured by INR and can cause clotting or bleeding as can a low platelet count.

  • Warfarin is definately a blood thinner and has nothing to do with clotting. My doctor described it in relation to cream a full skimmed milk. An INR in range has your blood like full skimmed and the last thing you want is INR of 1 which is more like cream which at time is thicker in places than others. Not a technical example but I find it gets the point across when friends ask.

  • My partner says if I was a car I would be running on too thin a mixture so I don't work so fast or as well as others.........

  • Check this link as I think there have been a number of inaccurate comments posted here.

    nhs.uk/conditions/Anticoagu...

    Below is some of the information from that site

    Warfarin is the main oral anticoagulant used in the UK (oral means it is taken by mouth). An anticoagulant is a medicine that stops blood from clotting.

    How it works

    The blood needs vitamin K to be able to clot. Warfarin slows the production of vitamin K in the body, which increases the time it takes for your blood to clot.

    Warfarin helps your blood to flow freely around your body and stops any clots forming in the heart or in the blood vessels.

  • Thank for Soundman for that very educational link. That certainly does a thorough job of explaining a lot. And it's from a solid source that may be depended upon. Thanks again.

    Canary

  • There is a product out there that " helps smooth platelet aggregation ",it is called " fruitflow" ,there are various delivery formats ,a fruitjuice called Sirco contains fruitflow (Sainsburys) is available.

    Fruitflow is approved by the EU (Article 13(5) ),mention it to your doctor .

    This stuff works for me.

  • Gosh, very worrying! Firstly Danmorris I am with you all the way...and for the very reasons inbetween your post and my comment (some) INR is International Normalised Ratio and is used as a meaure of blood clotting time, it is not a 'thing' in the blood that makes us bleed more. People who need to take Warfarin (commonly known as blood thinners) have a tendancy to form clots within the body (APS also known as 'sticky blood'!) And the drug simply slows this process down. Hence, when we cut ourselves/have blood taken it can take an awfully long time to stop....because the blood will not clot quickly, not because it is 'watery' or thinner than someone elses. Not sure that what we call it is entirely important but at damn suree we should all know exactly what is what with our bodies and the way the drugs work for us. Hope you are all well x

  • I'm trying my best to ingest this information but my brain just won't let me ... so, I'm going to read this later when the brain fog isn't clouding my information intake ... :/

  • Just what I was told........heperin and warfarin...reduce the risk of clots, aspirin thins blood!! dont know if its correct!!?? plaquenil also thins blood.

  • Aspirin DOES NOT thin the blood, it makes the plateletes slippery. Warfarin DOES thin the blood making its viscocity less.

  • A good read for this is answers.yahoo.com/question/...

  • Cami - Soundman's link explains a lot very well. Definitely worth the read and video. Best of luck to you. I think you're doctors will back an appeal with letters. I would call and request that be done as soon as possible. You're next call should be registering for school French or American if you have a computer it doesn't matter where you are. I tend to think you will have more organizations here to help you like Americans with Disabilities. A lot of universities have actual departments for the disabled. You qualify for a lot of help with your multidiagnoses. There are a lot of very wealthy people like the Vanderbilts who run completely charity teaching hospitals in Nashville. They have an excellent reputation and if they can't help they could probably put you onto another source who can. It's a daunting task to be sure, but being a former jockey, I expect you like a little challenge. Take this on as your personal challenge. Instead of wondering where I will be in a year; I would think Where will I be best off in a year.

    May your pain be light and your heart even lighter.

    Smiles and a kiss on each cheek.

    Canary

  • Thank you everyone!!!xxxxx

  • Sorry can I digress just a tad but still on the same topic.......so why warfarin or asprin or heperin????? is the the difference in the persons severity? like I have not had a clotting event but deffo have aps so just aspirin. Or dependent of the medical person treating you??

  • My understanding of what i have been told is a normal INR is 1 they want my INR between 2.5 - 3.0 so I,m 2 and a half to 3 times thinner than a normal INR of 1, so people with a INR of 4 are 4 times thinner than a normal INR of 1,, That's how it was explained to me. Take care....Don

  • Sorry Don my fault, what I meant why do people have different treatments....is it dependent on their severity of symptoms? or the professionals treating them. I, myself only have aspirin and plaquenil but have never had a stroke so therefore have no idea of my INR as it is not checked on aspirin. thanks P x

  • The reason why some people have different treatments is because of their individual health situations. Normally (broadly speaking), those that are dx with APS who have not had a thrombotic event are treated with Aspirin or Aspirin based products, and sometimes Plaquenil and other meds but this can depend on what other coexisting conditions they have along side their APS (Sjogrens, Lupus etc).

    Those that have had a clot will be put on warfarin. If you are seronegative after a thrombotic event with a strong suspicion of APS, a trial of Heparin can be used to see if symptoms improve, if so after a few weeks a person would be swapped over to warfarin. Some people may not tolerate warfarin and be put on Heparin, usually Fragmin or other low molecular weight Heparins.

    people on warfarin will use heparin if their INR drops too low for a short time.

    I hope that has explained very basically the difference in treatments but as you can see it is varied and individual so sometimes its not good to compare like with like.

    Always speak with your Doctor about your individual treatment if you are unsure and want advise.

  • all well over my head - i just know i feel a bit better on the stuff!!

  • Love it emmaj made me smile!

  • The original poster is right. Warfrin is an anticougulant and it dose not thin our blood.

  • I guess that's why they are called blood thinners?

    The way Warfarin acheives its anticougulant effects is by reducing the effect vitamin K has on the blood's viscosity (thickness and flow). There is no other effect from warfarin as it relates to anticougulant except for thinng the blood. That is a medical fact.

  • I use nattokinase and serrapeptase.

    The main aim is to get the blood to

    flow more easily especially through the

    capillaries and alvioli of the lungs.

    This helps greatly with oxygen and nutrient distribution.

    Aspirin is said to work poorly at capillary level.

    Any blood thinner will work to some degree.

    Lack of oxygen and nutrients to the cells causes fatigue.

    The theory is that nattokinase and serrapeptase help to remove

    Fibrin which "furs" up the capillaries and also thickens the blood.

    Fibrin is also a main component of blood clots.

    Inflammatory processes cause fibrin to be produced.

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