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Life changing diet to reverse type 2 diabetes now available free on the NHS. πŸ’š

Jerry
JerryAdministrator
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Hi everyone,

This was in the news before as the NHS diabetes prevention program and its being relaunched so here's an article:

england.nhs.uk/2020/09/thou...

It sounds very promising if we can help people lose weight and prevent or reverse type 2 diabetes and all its complications then we must and the best bit is the diet is free on the NHS as from today.

I think it's nice to have some good news as we want to help others lose weight and be healthy and healthy eating is the key to good health...πŸŒˆπŸ’š

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Great news Jerry! Thanks for posting the same and bringing a ray of hope for people with Type-2 diabetes.

In my view this may work only for the people who are overweight

(BMI 25-30) or Obese ( BMI 30 plus).

It may also work for people with a healthy weight range with (BMI 21-25) .

However , it may not work for skinny / thin /underweight people ( BMI less than 21) ..since these kind of people will tend to lose further weight with a low calori diet and it could be dangerous...

If you have any data / study/ Trial conducted by NHS on people with different BMI range, Request please share .

Quite right namaha . In focussing on the very-low calorie, weight loss intentions of the diet they've side-stepped the fact it is a low-carbohydrate diet, and far less healthy than the one from Dr Unwin that promotes real food.

So, here we have the NHS putting into service a low-carb diet by a different name, for which they have evidence in 2017, whereas NICE removed their endorsement of Dr. Unwin's sugar equivalent infographics because supposedly there was no evidence of the effectiveness of low-carb.

If they don't want to be accused of corruption and double standards they may wish to address this.

However, they may just wish to ignore voices to the contrary and keep promoting the messages they want to get across with smoke and mirrors?

Eryl
Eryl in reply to namaha

Everyone should be following the diet. Obesity, diabetes, heart disease and other metabolic problems are just symptoms of a bad diet. You can have juite a normal bmi, but carry a lot of visceral fat (fat around the organs), and doctors are increasingly recognising it as a major driver of cancers.

crazyfitness
crazyfitnessPWB Guest

Well this can't be anything but good news Jerry, it should relax the strain on the NHS with people being treated in general with obesity related diseases, cancer being another one.

Good news all round.πŸ‘πŸ˜ŠπŸ˜‚

Eryl
Eryl in reply to crazyfitness

I agree. It could slash NHS costs by more than half if everyone followed the diet.

crazyfitness
crazyfitnessPWB Guest in reply to Eryl

Exactly and I really hope this happens

Zest
ZestStar

Hi Jerry

Thanks for sharing this information, I saw something about it this morning as well.

Zest :-)

Cooper27
Cooper27Administrator

This sounds positive, and I like that it will come with further support on adopting and maintaining a healthier lifestyle.

Some images of the ingredient lists of their foods were being shared around Twitter earlier though, and raising a lot of eyebrows:

mobile.twitter.com/SamFelth...

I do worry that their approach is relying so heavily on such heavily processed foodstuffs.

By the way, I will disclaimer, I don't know this guy on Twitter so I don't know about any of his other tweets/approaches, I'm just sharing for the images :D

Penel
PenelModerator in reply to Cooper27

Good heavens, what a terrible list of ingredients!

I can't find the diet link only news of diet. Thanks

Cooper27
Cooper27Administrator in reply to Amynah

The diet would be prescribed by you GP - they would supply you with shakes/soups and ongoing support

Amynah
Amynah in reply to Cooper27

Thanks, I am fed up with doctors, so won't join my GP.

Jerry
JerryAdministrator in reply to Amynah

Hi Amynah basically its fortified 200 calorie drinks and soups available on prescription, here's a link to Diabetes UK:

diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-di...

Eryl
Eryl in reply to Jerry

They still refer to calories. Calories are irrelevant, it's carbs that drive insulin levels and metabolic disease.

I'm increasingly starting to believe that most health charities like Diabetes UK, The Heart Foundation and Cancer UK care mostly about their own existence. They take little notice of the leaders in nutritional science, like Aseem Malhotra, Robert Lustig. Georgia Ede, Daniel Amen, William Davis and a host of others.

Amynah
Amynah in reply to Eryl

I agree with you.

Amynah
Amynah in reply to Jerry

Thanks I don't have diabetes but am prone to diabetes 2 and am trying to loose weight. The last 3 kgs are giving me problems to reach my BMI. Will look at the links

Eryl
Eryl in reply to Amynah

I saw recently that when weight loss stalls, it can often be due to dairy intolerance or grain oil intolerance. thankfully dairy intolerance will show if you abstain for 3-4 days (I noticed a distinct clarity of vision and awareness, but for you it may be that you'll notice the end of the weight loss stall), so if you could manage on oat milk or some other alternative for 4 days you'll see if that's the problem. If it's grain oil intolerance then sauteing with olive oil or frying with coconut oil is the answer (coconut oil comes in a jar and looks a little like lard).

Amynah
Amynah in reply to Eryl

Thanks for the suggestions above, Grain oil I am fine because I only use olive oil. I tried oat and soya milk, I hated it.

Eryl
Eryl in reply to Amynah

I know what you mean about 'alternative milk'. Nothing works in tea or coffee like real milk. Fortunately at the time a2 milk was available in this country and I found that that didn't cause me problems. I've since found that I tolerate goats milk and the taste of the suff they sell in supermarkets these days is very similar to cows milk.

Amynah
Amynah in reply to Eryl

I think you are right about milk intolerance, I only had cereal with milk at 9 am and still am blurping milk. I think I will try kefir with the cereal. I only have tea with powdered milk in afternoon. Because tea with normal milk made me sick. Thanks a lot for bringing the lactose issue to my attention. It's nice to talk to someone about the issues I am facing.

Penel
PenelModerator in reply to Amynah

Kefir is a good choice as it is lactose-free. You could also try lactose-free milk or yoghurt, available from most large supermarkets.

Eryl
Eryl in reply to Penel

I think the problem may be casein intolerance rather than lactose intolerance.

Amynah
Amynah in reply to Eryl

I was off milk yesterday and felt better. I will keep to Kefir and powdered milk for a few days and also try water fasting for a few hours. Let's see what happens.

Jerry
JerryAdministrator in reply to Amynah

Hello Amynah if you have inflammation of the gut this can cause lactose intolerance as lactate is produced at the tips of our villi so if our villi is inflamed we lose the ability to absorb lactose.

Amynah
Amynah in reply to Jerry

Thanks Jerry, I will stop milk for a few days to be absolutely sure. Should I see my GP for this.

Jerry
JerryAdministrator in reply to Amynah

Hi Amynah there is a simple hydrogens great test to test for lactose intolerance;

nhs.uk/conditions/lactose-i...

So I would see your GP if you think you have an intolerance. 😊

Jerry
JerryAdministrator in reply to Eryl

Hello Eryl goats milk is not lactose free however goats milk molecules are the same size as human milk molecules and this much easier for us to absorb. Cows milk molecules are 200X larger than human milk molecules so this has to be broken down first hence many have issues with cows milk but not goats or sheep.

Eryl
Eryl in reply to Jerry

But if a1casein is the problem and not lactose, then goats milk will help.

Jerry
JerryAdministrator in reply to Eryl

Of course and there’s a very simple hydrogen breath test for lactose intolerance, I think goats milk is a great choice.

Your body will attempt to adjust to whatever you eat (provided you aren't intolerant), so you will either grind to a halt because your weight loss means you no longer need as much energy, or your metabolism will slow to conserve energy.

For that reason, either follow a 5:2 kind of intermittent fasting, where most days you eat a maintenance amount to prevent your body thinking it's starving, or periodically have a maintenance break for a week or so, maybe after each month of weight loss.

Thanks, I will try this . I think you are right.

I don't find this at all good news. What is wrong with promoting real food instead of more processed food. Dr David Unwin got an NHS award for being an innovative GP. He has helped many patients reverse their diabetes. Tried to paste a link here for one of his youtube talks at a low carb conference. You can use this to search for it - Dr. David Unwin - 'Can we beat T2 Diabetes? HOPE on the horizon'

Jerry
JerryAdministrator in reply to blueboots

Hi blueboots its long life food as its available on prescription and the main point of interest to me is it works for over 50% who used the diet.

To me it shows that we could make better and healthier alternatives at home and this is for those who lack those skills.

Amynah
Amynah in reply to blueboots

I personally don't like shakes for weight loss nothing substitute for eating whole foods. So you are right.

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