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I came across this yesterday:

"Epigenetics-based diagnostic and therapeutic strategies: shifting the paradigm in prostate cancer" 3/28/23 Epigenomics [1]

From the intro:

"Clinically, PCa screening methods display low sensitivity and specificity, leading to suboptimal patient care."

We are still very much in the PSA era, and they have been saying similar things for about 35 years.

"Recent research suggests that PCa progression is regulated by a coordinated spectrum of epigenetic alterations that notably involves noncoding RNAs."

"Epigenetic proteins and noncoding RNAs can be detected noninvasively in body fluids, allowing improved PCa screening and prognosis. In addition, epigenetic alterations can be targeted pharmacologically, providing unprecedented therapeutic opportunities."

I started seeing my integrative medicine guy in 2006, because he supported my use of androstenedione to increase testosterone. One of the tools he liked to use for new patients was a hair analysis. When I next showed him blood test results from my annual medical, he was appalled that my doctor had not acted on my elevated homocysteine. He checked the list of minerals in the hair analysis & noted that I had zero cobalt in my hair. He concluded that my stomach was not making intrinsic factor & that consequently, my gut was not taking up Vitamin B12, which meant that I was not able to adequately recycle homocysteine back to methionine.

He suggested that I inject B12 into belly fat periodically. For $24, I received a 6 month supply of B12 & syringes, plus training. What could go wrong?

The androstendione was keeping testosterone at about 1,000 ng/dL & chrysin was keeping estradiol at about 20 pg/mL. I was testing PSA monthly & I had six identical readings of 0.8.

In the months following B12 injections the monthly PSA increased to 0.9, 1.0 & 1.2. Might B12 be the reason?

Sure enough, there were Swedish papers on the topic. A good folate & B12 status was associated with more aggressive PCa progression, whereas a poor homocysteine status was seen to be protective.

The SAM (SAMe) cycle is roughly:

methionine--->SAM--->homocysteine---> +folate +B12---> methionine

SAM is the universal methyl donor in the body & folate (or folic acid) is the common methyl donor in the diet.

PCa cells are avid for methyl. The DNA promoter regions for tumor suppressor genes are never methylated in normal prostate cells, but become hypermethylated in PCa - when the SAM cycle is working. (If it ain't working, don't fix it!)

Hypermethylation is an epigenetic change. DNA is not altered, it is simply silenced. Epigenetic changes can be reversed. I discovered that genistein was a demethylation agent. I took high doses.

Slowly, my PSA doubling time increased from a few months to slightly over 2 years. It took longer to return to a poor B12 status. Alcohol helped in that regard.

I kept reading about many of the changes that occur in PCa cells being epigenetic - not mutations. The future looked bright. Epigenetic drugs were just around the corner. Epigenetic changes were going to be reversed. PCa was going to become easier to manage. But it hasn't happened.

There are almost ten thousand PubMed hits for .

There are only three hundred for .

M. Clermont seems not to have written on the subject before. How many will read his review? How many even subscribe to Epigenomics?

-Patrick

[1] pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/369...

Review Epigenomics. 2023 Mar 28. doi: 10.2217/epi-2023-0045. Online ahead of print.

Epigenetics-based diagnostic and therapeutic strategies: shifting the paradigm in prostate cancer

Pier-Luc Clermont 1

Affiliation1Université Laval, Québec, QC, Canada.

PMID: 36974615 DOI: 10.2217/epi-2023-0045

Abstract

Despite recent advances, prostate cancer (PCa) remains a leading cause of cancer morbidity and mortality. Clinically, PCa screening methods display low sensitivity and specificity, leading to suboptimal patient care. Recent research suggests that PCa progression is regulated by a coordinated spectrum of epigenetic alterations that notably involves noncoding RNAs. These molecular aberrations drive PCa progression by inducing gene expression programs that promote metastatic dissemination. Epigenetic proteins and noncoding RNAs can be detected noninvasively in body fluids, allowing improved PCa screening and prognosis. In addition, epigenetic alterations can be targeted pharmacologically, providing unprecedented therapeutic opportunities. This work reviews the current literature linking epigenetic dysregulation and PCa progression and proposes a framework for integrating epigenetic strategies into the clinical management of PCa.

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"In the months following B12 injections the monthly PSA increased to 0.9, 1.0 & 1.2. Might B12 be the reason?

Sure enough, there were Swedish papers on the topic. A good folate & B12 status was associated with more aggressive PCa progression, whereas a poor homocysteine status was seen to be protective.'

That was a lot of B12, if you were injecting it.

My general practitioner has me on 500mg 2x per week because my B12 is too low... outside of the range it should be.

I am a bit conflicted about this.

Do you think I should be resisting this? Or is it too low to make much difference either way?

What do you think?

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Scout4answers

Very timely as I am reading The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton, one of the pioneers in the field of epigenetics.

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cujoe

Patrick O'Shea. Always looking carefully and turning over the PCa rocks that few are looking under. Your insightful contributions never seem to amaze. Many thanks, as always, for shining a light where most are not even looking.

Hope all is well with you now that you have joined the 3/4 century club. It a very exclusive association of young-at-heart gentlemen who like to consume wine & spirits that are at least 1/3 their age. Keep It S&W,

Best Regards - Capt'n cujoe

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GreenStreet in reply tocujoe

Here here. Very well said. Patrick do you still take any genistein on a regular basis

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MateoBeach

Thank you for highlighting the role of genistein in reversing persistent epigenetic (adverse) patterns active in PC. Hypermethylation of DNA for tumor suppressor factors can silence these genes in a persistent manner permitting oncogenes/tumor growth promoting to predominate. Histone deacetylases also contribute to this. Genistein can reverse many of these changes.

Since my cancer is currently indolent and very slow growing now on modified BAT, I am disinclined to approach this by limiting methyl resources, which are also needed to maintain blood counts, muscle repair, etc. ( Would feel different if I had short PSADT = aggressive growth.)

Genistein might provide an intermediate approach - reverse the hypermethylation patterns. This could also be done intermittently since it could provide some degree of "reset" to the adverse epigenetic status. High dose genistein supplementation for some unspecified intervals (? two weeks) perhaps 3 or so times per year. Similar to my intermittent approach with senolytics. And with rapamycin for mTOR down-regulation.

The above is speculative and not SOC I must be clear on that. Do you have any specific formulation or brand for Genistein supplementation for me to consider? Of course bioavailability is a key factor. MB/Paul

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KocoPr in reply toMateoBeach

great article! Thanks Paul.

I have some kudzu root in my apothecary in my basement, I’ll do some ethanol extracts today.

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Spyder54

Thanks Patrick, I read this post, and the PubMed attached 2x, and then Pauls response to your post 2x, and it partially sank in. Always appreciate your deep research, and know that you have exceeded the averages, with a great long lifespan against this unbeatable PCa Dragon.

Genistein is a Demethylation agent. That Epigenetic changes can be reversed. Also, that for some of us it will affect blood counts, and muscle repair.

So, what do I do with this information? “In addition, epigenetic alterations can be targeted pharmacologically, providing unprecedented therapeutic opportunities."

If I take this to my Oncologist, how are they likely to change my protocol to improve my therapy? Mike

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CurrentSEO

Thank you!

As usual great info. What brand and dosage of Genistein you can recommend to look into?

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PhilipSZacarias

This is an excellent post. I have been following epigenetics as well. In support group meetings I caution men against high doses of folate. I believe metformin is another way to drop B12 levels. Cheers, Phil

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