fibro and yawning

[Hardy99]

does anyone else suffer with yawning alot for no reason i have only noticed it recently

[Arymretep]

I yawn an awful lot, they do say it’s lack of oxygen 🤔

[Hardy99 in reply to Arymretep]

My oxygen levels were fine had a full check up

[Arymretep in reply to Hardy99]

Good 👍

[Hardy99 in reply to Arymretep]

Just noticed it more and did make me a tad worried thank you 😊

[Dizzytwo]

Hi, wouldn't think its fibro related.

[Hardy99 in reply to Dizzytwo]

Ok thank you

[Hidden in reply to Dizzytwo]

it can be fibro related, because fatigue is a symptom of Fibro

[Dizzytwo in reply to Hidden]

yes I see where your coming from. But tiredness can be a symptom of so many other things. Anemia, anxiety, depression to name but a few thing that cause tiredness.

[Hidden in reply to Dizzytwo]

yes , but this is under fibromyalgia, just saying

[Dizzytwo in reply to Hidden]

Yes I hear what your saying 😊 All I was saying is like others have said on this post. Tiredness and yawning is not exclusive to fibro but many other things too xx

[Kitten-whiskers]

Yes, I also yawn alot 😊

[Hardy99 in reply to Kitten-whiskers]

Ok good glad its not just me thank you 😊

[Acdf]

You don't suffer migraines by any chance I always yawn non stop when I've got a migraine coming on

[Dizzytwo in reply to Acdf]

Me too. Went down with one last night and another today. Just woke up from it.

[Cat00]

It's also side effect of some meds like Prozac/Fluoxitine.....

[bookish]

Might be worth checking your B12. Yawning, sighing or 'air hunger' can be symptoms of deficiency. I rarely get this now that I am taking a lot of B12. (Other causes could be iron or blood sugar dysregulation, and no doubt there are others). Cheers

[worried4me5]

Hi, yes I yawn an awful lot. Mid-conversations, just walking around etc. I believe for me, that it's because I'm not getting enough restorative sleep, plus I go to bed late and wake early. Earlier If I have a 9am appointment.

Not sure if that is related but hope you find out why.

[KimiJay]

Interesting question. I used to yawn a lot, long before I was diagnosed and for a very long time - about 15 years maybe. Much of the time I had growing kids around me, but I was very aware that other people did not yawn in the same way and not nearly as much because I didn't wan't to appear rude or bored. - If it's to do with oxygen, I now have access to an Oxygen concentrator which my son has and have my own finger pulse oxymeter. Helps me psychologically anyway because I'm more tired these days from not sleeping so well, but hardly yawn! - I rather feel that with Fibro I have gone through long periods exhibiting certain symptoms which can change/even resolve slowly, but always there is something else that pops up to cause discomfort, unpleasantness. Long periods of challenging pain in the past were often acquired through making an effort to overcome the condition and d o s t u f f! If I remember something from a teacher in my past, deliberately yawning is supposed to help you relax. - Fresh air, breathing exercises always good. I want to try this thing called Forest Bathing that I saw on a website sent to me the other day. Very popular in Japan and has to do with the air you breathe in ancient forest which we don't have much of these days. Wish you healing.

[bookish in reply to KimiJay]

Forest Bathing sounds good. I don't have access to ancient woodland but feel better immediately when surrounded by trees and green space. Luckily you are still supposed to get some benefit even from just watching video or looking at pictures of nature (Chris Packham's programme said so, anyway) and Forestry England have this forestryengland.uk/virtual-.... Best wishes

[KimiJay in reply to bookish]

Thanks bookish. I didn't know that about watching videos of places but I do that (or drive around places using the road thing my fogbrain is stopping me recalling the name of right now) and thinking about it, it does help me relax. I do want to visit Sherwood Forest sometime if I ever get the chance but meanwhile I have a small octagonal summerhouse in a tiny little strip just beyond where a tatty old drive serves the four houses of me and my neighbours. You can't see it for the small trees I planted that have now grown up a bit. That is my 'Grove' (and apple store for our cookers for a few months to come.) I have a beanbag in there and pictures of wolves I kept over from a calendar along with two pics of our Newfie dog we had years ago. It has been particularly nice when I've had time to sit there out of the heat of this summer and a bullfinch has been coming to drink from a bowl of water I leave there for badgers and foxes as there is an animal path running down it too. Sometimes I read in there if my eyes let me or just stare out at the greenery. - So do you read a lot as your name implies? Or write stuff! By the way, do you have a cut off time for taking vit B? I fast some mornings because I must lose more weight, so don't want to take it too late in the day and not sleep. Any advice welcome when and, only, if you have time. Thanks.

[bookish in reply to KimiJay]

Hi. I love the sound of your summerhouse and the apples! I planted a couple in pots during lockdown and we just picked the first apple - too soon, so will leave the rest a little longer. We have water out at back and front and a few nights ago were listening to the badgers slurping from the bowl - magical! Bullfinches are wonderful. Yes, I read a lot, always did, so when I left my last 'real' job due to health I started selling secondhand books. Don't write, not good enough. As for the B vits, I take my Bs other than folate and B12 with breakfast, and then I divide the folate and B12 up through the day. A little folate with three meals, B12 in five or six doses (oral & sublingual). I know some say to have Bs before 3pm, but I admit I haven't had an issue. If I'm not sleeping well, I might leave off the later doses just in case it exacerbates the problem. Enjoy the greenery x

[KimiJay in reply to bookish]

Thanks. I feel more confident to have my B vit at 12ish when I break my fast. It also gives me a helpful energy boost as I'm trying to clear, clean and declutter my house. I gave up my writing class this year to do it but am going back this term as I miss my friends there. Had you thought of joining a writing group ... ever? You get to hear other people's short stories, poems etc. Can be wonderfully entertaining and connecting too so good if the fibro has isolated you at all. The positive feedback you get from being in a class or group of like minds is well worth a dabble. - My son has got me into the sub-lingual thing using NMN which has a good write up as the body can make it's own so it is a natural thing - just you tend to make less of it in old age. I think that has helped me a lot even though I take it spasmodically. Enjoy your apples and your badgers.

[bookish in reply to KimiJay]

The NMN sounds interesting, thank you. Will think about that one. I agree about positive feedback and isolation. Any chronic health problem tends to make you pull back and I only function for a short day. I don't do evenings! But I am lucky that my partner and I have the business so we are out and about with colleagues selling at book fairs, and seeing regular customers for a chat (more chat than selling, if I'm honest) and they have been immensely supportive to me. My dad's neighbour goes to a writing group and gets huge benefit from it (and writes some really interesting stuff). I'm glad you are going to re-start. I must admit for me it would be a choir, if I were going to get involved with a group again. I love to sing, and it is good for vagal function, so I do it a lot, even if I must drive my neighbour potty! What a great Bio you've written. I agree about pill/HRT/vaccine - so many contributing factors that just don't get enough consideration. My fibro has been with me since puberty and I've always had an oestrogen issue so it made sense when I found I had homozygous COMT as that is associated (by some) with propensity for fibro, as well as affecting catechol oestrogen clearance. Not assuming that this is a cause/the cause for everyone, but interesting nonetheless healthrising.org/blog/2020/.... It also mentions triggering viruses and high IL6 (and I am genetically predisposed to that too, as well as a glutathione absence). COMT is a magnesium-dependent enzyme and I got much better when I started using it (although I didn't know why, then). Cheers

[KimiJay in reply to bookish]

Very interested in the hzgs COMT. Not heard of it before. I think you may have put me on a new learning curve about SAMe. My son has sent me stuff online about that too but other issues pop up and I put them aside. I don't know many women though who would not agree that oestrogen is responsible for so much misery. So many on this site have been affected by endometriosis etc. Interesting about the role of the enzyme in ptsd and the link to childhood depression - I just tried reading up about it. I found a study on something using those words but not easy stuff to take in. Have always been interested in child development and the effects of early (even mild) trauma. I feel that nothing will change in the world unless all societies address that so that the human race really can move on.// I've now got a ref to catechol oestrogens on my screen and will try to look at that too - courtesy of failing eyesight, brainfog and miscomprehension - and will save to my bookmarks. - Anything that mentions pancreas involvement at all makes me reach emotionally for my packet of mistletoe tea but it may be quite irrelevant. - Someone else on this forum made me more aware about insulin so I must continue that too.// Thanks for your comment about my bio. It sounds like you've set up the perfect job for yourself in books. I've been sending quite a few to Save the Kids where a friend volunteers and Oxfam. Still have lots more but have saved most others because my eight year old granddaughter is also a bookworm when she isn't doing cartwheels or reading to her three year old sister. Such a world of difference between Dr Seuss and the patronising nastiness of my mother's copy of Hendrik Van Loon's 'Story of Mankind' which openly disparages children's natural desire to be imaginative. I should sell it on ebay I suppose. Is only taking up space for the reason that I haven't read it yet because the first pages were a complete turn off. - Agree about the singing. It's what I've done most of and yes, it is really good for the vagal thing. - I learn't how to overtone on a day workshop once and do that in my summerhouse. No-one around to hear really. When my throat gets sore from singing around the house I whistle little tunes that come to me over and over and it hypnotizes me while I do boring chores. - I shall also be looking at my 23 and me printout again to see what I have in my genetic coding. Evidently lots of Neanderthal remnants, though hardly genes now. My eldest son has the same and we are the ones with the weird fibro type thingies expressing themselves. - I'm going to google COMT some more. Thanks.

[bookish in reply to KimiJay]

Sorry about late response - manic book selling weekend! Thanks to you too, because I've been reading more about SAMe and methionine (and I have yet another implicated SNP!). Dr Seuss is great, so many layers, and brilliant that your granddaughter is bookish too. Keep singing and good luck with the research pushing things forward for you and your son x

[KimiJay in reply to bookish]

Glad to know people still like books. 😍

[JayCeon]

My idea would be to try and see if breathing exercises make a difference. There are often situations where they help me with quite a number of symptoms, despite having normal blood oxygen levels, incl. pain/ache, esp. the most radical one: Wim Hof's "breath holding" youtube.com/watch?v=tybOi4h...(Not working as expected?)