Thought I'd start a thread for those of us in the 2WW trying not to lose our minds. I actually feel surprisingly sane for a change. Not only do I not feel any symptoms whatsoever from any of the many many meds that seem to be in all orifices but I currently feel thinner than normal, having not exercised for well over a week! My only symptom thus far is the occasional what I can only describe as a low level "vaginal" cramp. Didn't even know you could get cramp inside (and kind of outside) the actual vagina, but here we are. Who else is in their two week wait and what are you doing to distract yourself?
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hi, I’m also on a tww! Had my fet yesterday. Been taking Cylogest for about a week now and had period style cramps a few days before fet….and signs of a period, sore boobs, cramps, etc, which in my head I feel like my period was well on its way before my fet. 🤦🏼♀️
Today I’ve felt a few cramps, period like cramps and the odd sharp ovary twinge. I’m already in my head got the feeling it’s not worked and I’m guna get my period any day now. It makes me scared every time I go loo.
Wishing you all the best! 🤞🏻 hoping we both don’t go insane over the next few days! lol.
Today I’ve binged watched “virgin river” on Netflix and just had a chill day with warm socks on. lol. X
Thanks for getting back to me and welcome to your 2ww! Have you had transfers before? When I had my first one I started to bleed very bright red blood 5dpt and then it stopped, it was neither implantation nor my period and I have no clue why it happened! Very much what I didn't want to see when I went to the loo though! I'm on 400mg cyclogest pessaries twice per day and lubion injections for progesterone too. Did they check your levels on the day of your transfer? Hopefully your symptoms are merely a sign of the meds doing their work. I'm immune to side effects it seems and I have very painless periods too so I don't even sense my period coming in terms of how I feel.
Did you enjoy Virgin River? I hear it's very good so maybe I will get involved. I've been watching The Decameron and the Olympics.
Yes, we had 1 fresh and 2 frozen about 5 years ago, but then I was diagnosed with cancer so that put a stop to our ivf journey. All 3 of those failed, I could never get past day6 before I bled, but full on like a period bleed. They couldn’t give us an answer back then, just said it was unexplained infertility.
This time around we did the ERA tests, and it showed I had 0% good bacteria. (Possibly I’ve never had any which might be why it didn’t work before, but will never know the answer). I took probiotics but it stayed at zero for a few months after several retests, but then I got one result in march and it had improved to 13%. My clinic didn’t want to keep doing the tests as I was on my 5th one and they were causing infections every time they did them. 🤦🏼♀️
My new clinic checked my progesterone levels yesterday and said they were fine. I’m on 2x 400mg Cylogest a day.
Yea it’s been a good chill out watch. Decided it wasn’t something hubby would fancy so gave me the opportunity to watch it. lol. X
Sorry to hear about your cancer diagnosis especially amidst IVF. I haven't heard about the ERA tests but I haven't really explored all the add on stuff yet. What probiotic are you taking? Is it different to the type you take for your gut microbiome?
Hi, i am also in 2WW, had fet on 6th of Aug.oh my goodness I had very similar symptoms to you. I had period psin even before my final scan a week before fet and I was convinced my period was going to start too. Since fet I too have had the odd twinge and for some days last week I didn't feel anything but for the last 2 days the period pain is back, and I end up going to the loo just to check as well. Am crossing my fingers for you. I have been binge watching game of thrones , it has really helped take my mind off for a while., best of luck to you 👍
on the two week wait train and all I can say ladies is get yourself a puzzle! Strange I know, but it’s currently keeping my mind busy and (most of the time) off my phone 
Welcome! I have a jigsaw puzzle in my cupboard that I've never cracked on with. Maybe I will whip that out tomorrow!
Hi, I’m in TWW too! My OTD is Monday 🫣
I’ve been up and down throughout with worry. I had an FET. Only had a fresh transfer before and it failed - bled 7dp5dt and it was almost like it was a chemical - severe cramps but was on less proegesterone that time too.
I’ve had twinges, pokes and mild cramps since transfer, but now just the odd cramp on and off but it’s mild. Have extremely sore boobs (some days it lessens slightly) but had this since before FET and got worse once starting progesterone. I’m on 3x cyclogest daily and 1x lubion. I’m pretty sure all my symptoms are just the meds. I’ve already told myself it prob hasn’t worked as I don’t really have any other symptoms apart from tiredness. I feel like as I don’t have sore nipples it can’t have worked as that’s always been the case when I have been before although miscarried so no children as of yet.
Really wishing everyone the best. It’s so tough and especially when you know you did so much prep this time to get things as right as can be!
I have read some stories of people who have cramps and on and off symptoms - convinced it hadn’t worked but had. So hang on in there!
Has anyone else experienced any vaginal dryness with the pessaries? I know they cause the leakage from the wax but in the last several days, I’ve noticed it’s more dry and very tight! Almost difficult to get the pessary in! Never had that before. Another reason I don’t feel so positive.
Also had the odd vaginal pain too! Odd.
Cross stitch is great for keeping you distracted too! Also some Good Netflix series and cooking nice meals
Best of luck everyone 💜🍀
thanks for starting the thread! 💜
When was your transfer? Was it fresh or FET?
have also experienced the odd vaginal cramp- very strange aren’t they!
Wishing you all the best! Xxx
Hello! Thanks for replying. It sounds like no matter what happens many of us sit in the zone of thinking it's probably failed but hoping to be wrong! You're on more progesterone than I am. I've entered the zone now where I'm checking for blood every time I go to the bathroom. I had my transfer on Monday. OTD is Monday 19th August but I'll start doing early detection tests from Wednesday. I'm always lectured about not doing this and I never listen :). My transfer was a frozen. My fresh transfer felt like a waste of an embryo, my body was not in the right place I don't think after the egg collection and I had very very intense cramps in the night where I felt my body was perhaps rejecting the embryo (I might be making that up but it felt abnormal). My second transfer was pretty smooth with no side effects. This is my third and if this one fails we'll go for another egg collection and I won't be doing a fresh transfer as I want to get them all PGTA tested.
As for your question about the Cyclogest pessaries, I don't take them vaginally I take them rectally which is apparently sometimes favoured because of less leakage this way. Although I have heard people not wanting to go down this route out of discomfort of administering them. I take progynova vaginally and find the vaginal route harder.
Aw well wishing you all the very best! Often people find it takes 2 or more attempts which is heartbreaking but seems to be a reality. Praying this one sticks for you. You’re right about the body needing to be in the right place for fresh. Mine wasn’t and my lining wasn’t great. It was also a 1AA so very early body that had turned blast two hours before transfer! This time I had 5AA and lining much better but I’m on more meds with oestrogen and progesterone and I always worry if that will affect things negatively or not.
I had exactly the same with my fresh with awful cramping and bleeding and it felt like what you said. I’ve had a natural miscarriage before and it felt just like that. So hard not to compare but I guess I shouldn’t. Thanks for letting me know about the cyclogest.
Really hoping you get your BFP and sending positive thoughts your way! X
Had my transfer this morning, came on here looking for 2WW posts!
Only had one little eggy this time round on egg collection so feeling incredibly lucky it made it to blastocyst and transfer, wishing everyone the best x
What a special egg :-). Hope it's sticky and strong and getting comfortable in its new home. Sending lots of luck xx
That’s amazing. That’s what happened to my friend and he’s now 5! 💜
I also do Cylogest rectally!! So much easier and less mess!!
I’ve been taking Optibac, the purple boxed one. It’s 3 for 2 on the boots website. It concentrates on womb bacteria rather than gut bacteria. It states dose to be 1-2 a day but I’ve been taking 3. 🤦🏼♀️ lol.
Sending wishes and lots of baby dust to everyone waiting now. Horrible anxious time for us all! 🤦🏼♀️ xx
Great! Maybe I should go back to rectally as I did last time. I’m taking invivo bio me femme V which is for vaginal bacteria but you take it orally. Hopefully this all helps xx
Best of luck with your TWW x
Hi! I was taking probiotics religiously before transfer but stopped as I panicked. Is it safe? I will start again! Thank 😊
Apparently it’s perfectly fine to take them. I felt like it was surely better than than perhaps developing a small infection or not having enough good bacteria. X
I’m also now in panic mode as I forgot to set my alarm for my Cylogest so I’ve done that an hour late!! 🤦🏼♀️ I’ve just been on the google train and lots of people saying it shouldn’t hurt but now I’m kicking myself that I forgot! 🤦🏼♀️😢
If it makes you feel any better on the day of my transfer I didn’t take my cyclogest because I wanted my blood test to be on the lower side so I could take more (a slightly mad move I know!). It was fine it was actually still super high and then I took the pessary immediately after. My clinic has only ever been strict with the timings of certain drugs and cyclogest I have been told morning and evening but not a specific time. I remember during the prep part I had to take one drug at 7am every morning. Other than that I have been quite chilled. I also accidentally started blood thinners 24hours late. I’m terrible 😂
I would say it’s ok. Mine is roughly every 8 hours. Sometimes is a bit less and sometimes a bit more - it’s so hard to do it bang on sometimes. I think it’s fine and good that you’re keeping on track with it generally anyway. X
how’s everyone in their tww getting on?
Any symptoms? Xx
I just did an early detection pregnancy test and I’m confused beyond confused by the “result”. I’m only 7 days past frozen transfer but I always cave 😬. I just got this overwhelmingly intense urge. I have no symptoms.
How are you feeling??
what was the result?? 😳
I’m feeling ok, little crampy in my ovaries every now and again, but that’s it. Just dread every time I go toilet! 🤦🏼♀️ xx
I bled last night but I realised quickly it was from my bum!! The cyclogest play havoc with that area!! The result is a very faint line. I popped a photo in another post. I don’t know whether to believe it or not because I have tested too early. Hope you don’t start to bleed at all. Even if it’s implantation bleeding I think it is just alarming to see blood of any kind.
Hi, currently on my 2WW, transfer was on Friday in Barcelona, flew back Saturday. I’m still working, it’s my 6th FET, for me carrying on as normal is the best way. Had a short bike ride yesterday with me partner, I did think of taking some time off but I’d be so bored and over think everything so work seems the best option. Hope you are doing ok, so lovely to have a group of people going through the same thing at the same time. Sending positive thoughts your way xx
I think doing whatever keeps you most sane is the right approach. Whatever that looks like! I genuinely think it either works or it doesn’t. Xx
Hi all,
I'm about to join you guys as I've got a fresh transfer the day after tomorrow. I'm a newbie, first time round to all this and it's way more weird experiences than I expected!
I'm on cyclogest too, twice a day, and also don't like it. Had cramps yesterday and last night, and also in weird places like aching right down in my labia when I was walking to the shops. Really uncomfortable! I guess some of it is still me recovering from egg collection too. Going to try and chill a bit more today.
Sending best wishes to you all x
Hello! I hope your transfer tomorrow goes smoothly. I have always enjoyed transfer day, it is painless and quick and after you get to be lazy which I recommend fully embracing. You’re right about recovering from egg collection. I think fresh cycles are tough in terms of all the extra hormones needed. Xx
Thank you! Fingers crossed! I fully plan to sit on the sofa after and have husband bring me cups of tea 😂
Absolutely! My partner was acting like my servant for a couple of days. Since then he’s treated me like normal and I much preferred the servant version!!
😂😂😂
hi everyone. Good luck to you all! I’m day 6 of frozen transfer and wow the days are going slow. We’ve made one embryo in 6 years so there’s a lot of pressure on this and it’s our last chance. So my mind is going crazy and switching from feeling happy that we have this opportunity and it may be working, to feeling like it’s hopeless and not worked. It’s so difficult
I was constipated for a few days after transfer. From day 4 I’ve been going a LOT. I had cramps on day 3 but not much else. Really extreme exhaustion. Today is the first day I’ve not fallen asleep in the day and I’ve actually been able to do some things. The exhaustion and dizziness was crazy. But they upped my meds on transfer day so maybe the progesterone hike took it out of me. They said they up to 130 now and they seem happy. 🤷♀️
Quick note on probiotics. I had zero good bacteria too. I’ve been working on it since January and it’s much better than it was. But I was told to stop taking all probiotics during progesterone meds. I don’t know why but might be worth querying with consultants for those of you that mentioned you’re taking them still.
Good vibes to you all! 🤞❤️
Morning! Hope you’re staying sane! It’s so much pressure!! I’m not on probiotics myself but that’s interesting info, I wonder what the reasoning is. How are you holding up?
Maybe it's just due to progesterone messing with the digestive system a bit so maybe probiotics as well can be too much for the gut. I'm not sure.
How are you doing? This is so hard! I might test this weekend so I'm testing on a work day rather than a week day. Our test day is supposed to be Weds at 2 weeks. I have a consistent tightness almost like a pulled muscle lower right which I hoped was a good sign but I'm now wondering if it's something else or possible a bad thing. Who knows. It's all driving me a bit mad.
That would make sense. I was taking Symprove in the lead up to ivf without knowing it might help. I didn’t notice any changes to anything so I stopped taking it.
I’m okay but I’ve had a bit of a dramatic morning. I’ve been given a full two week wait too but decided to test on day 7 past transfer because I just lack self-control and I’ve got two embryos in there. I got a very faint positive and things had been moving in the right direction ever since. This morning I tested and at the 3 minute mark the line was really really pale. After 30 mins it was similar to yesterday’s but I couldn’t trust it. This caused me to think I was having a chemical miscarriage. I waited 4 hours and retested and have the strongest positive line I’ve ever had. So all okay now in that department. I have also been in bed all week with Covid but other than that all is okay. I can’t tell if I have any pregnancy symptoms really because of the Covid. I had weird vaginal cramps a few days back and earlier today I had a couple of mild womb cramps but honestly nothing to write home about at all, no sore boobs and any nausea is very much covid I would say. I always test early (usually day 9) but if you get a positive it doesn’t necessarily make the week easier because then you are waiting and hoping and testing every day and then if the line fades it’s so stressful.
Oh gosh, odd that it can change but I guess sometimes you might have a dodgy test as well. That's great news though! So happy for you! Awful about covid though. Keep hydrated! I had it just before we transferred and they cancelled the cycle so I've been on the meds since June, basically doing the entire process twice. Such a pain. The same happened to us with egg collection, catching covid the day before collection and they cancelled then too. It's such a horrible horrible illness. Hope you feel better soon.
I think I'll test on day 10. I feel like it should be a solid enough result by then.
Hi everyone,
I’ve just found this community today during my 2WW.
My FET was last Friday so trying anything and everything to distract myself until next OTD next Thursday.
Thanks so much for starting this thread, reading everyone’s messages brings so much comfort and genuine support.
Question - do people count transfer day as day 0 or 1? I’ve seen conflicting things online so any steer on the norm is appreciated!
Good luck everyone - and in case useful, my distraction techniques have been rewatching Desperate Housewives (there’s tons of episodes!), making myself get out for a walk each day and taking my time preparing/cleaning after meals 😂
Ana x
Hi Ana! I hope you’re doing well! I don’t know what the answer to your question is exactly. I count the next day as 1 day past embryo transfer and so on. X
Thank you! I think I was being creative with day counting so the days where its more reliable to test come around quicker 😂 x
Oh God it’s just horrendous waiting isn’t it!! I’ve been testing positive since day 7 past transfer but now at day 10 my line is weaker than yesterday so I’m now lying here waiting for four hours to retest. Think I might be having a chemical miscarriage. Don’t test early unless you’re happy to feel extra worried for a week 😬😬😬
The wait is harder than I expected. My sister-in-law is 3 months ahead on her ICSI journey and tried to warn me but I underestimated how time obsessed I’d be in the 2WW!
I have everything crossed for you. Try to remember any tests before OTD could be unreliable which of course swings both ways. Thinking of you and sending love💫
You'd think there would be a better way by now somehow than putting us through this awful wait. I've had quite a few symptoms which are typical to progesterone so don't necessarily mean anything but they're driving me even more crazy. I'm extra emotional as well so the idea of a positive pregnancy test pops into my head and I cry. Then I feel like it probably won't work and a cry! ha my poor hubby. But I'm just seeking comfort in that I'm doing all the right things. Walking. Eating well. Taking meds on time. Visualising and meditating sometimes as well. Keeping my uterus happy and warm! and my feet. All we can do is try to feel ok that we're doing/have done what we can. x
Absolutely agree! It was strange reading your comment as it sums up exactly how I’ve been going through it too! Feels so good to know we’re not alone. I try to come back to your last point too, we have done so much - and likely so much more during the 2WW than if we hadn’t been on the IVF/ICSI trains. Sending you a big hug and lots of positivity 😘 x
I know, it's simply not fair that we have to go through this at all. Wishing you all the best and good luck for test day. I can't even imagine doing that right now. I think I might throw up! x
Thank you, take care too x
This might be a stupid question, but do any of you know if we're not successful we'd get a period whilst on the meds? I'm assuming all the progesterone meds stop a period from coming on? So we can't expect to bleed before test day?
You could have a period I think but the meds are supposed to control this. You can also have an implantation bleed. I had bleeding 5 days past transfer on my first cycle and it was bright red rather than the paler implantation type of bleed. It also wasn’t my period because it then stopped and I had my period a few days after I stopped my meds.
I had a full period bleed 6days past a 6day transfer years ago with all 3 of my transfers. All three of those I was on medication so I assumed it would stop a bleed but it definitely was a period.
I’m also pretty certain I’m going to come on my period very soon now, and I’m 7dp5dt. 😢 I’m on Ellesete x5 a day, and cylogest400mg x2 a day.
Hope everyone is doing ok. 😘 xx
Everything crossed for you. I'm feeling less and less hopeful every day I have to say. I don't know why. I just feel empty somehow like there's nothing happening and I just know it's not worked. I'm on day 8, counting transfer day as day 1. No signs of a period but I have quite long cycles anyway so I wouldn't expect it for another week at least. When I had my last transfer cancelled, they told my to stay on progynova so that my period wouldn't start. Then onto norithisterone. So that's what confused me.
I'm on a lot of meds. 2 Lubion injections, 1 Inhixa injection, 3 cyclogest and 5 progynova.
I guess our bodies can be all over the place on the medication and anything could happen! xxx
I am half way through, 3rd round but first transfer, hoping for the best
Sending lots of luck your way 🍀
I’m 5th round first transfer. Similar boat to you I guess where it’s taken a long time to get to this point. Just over halfway in the wait as well but planning on testing early on day 10 ❤️💪 x
How did it turn out for u? I’m 11 days tofay and so close to caving and testing at home, had some spotting yesterday.
I’m positive!! Day 10. Clear as day test. Literally cannot believe it. This NEVER happens to us. We’ve had nothing but bad luck for 6 years. We are in total shock. 😱❤️ can’t even process this! X
Congratulations ❤️🌈 what beautiful news xx
Congratulation 🎉🎉
Wow, congratulations and wish you all the best in your journey .🙂
Congratulations!! I’m so so happy for you!! You’d lost hope too!! XXX
so today i’m 11dpt , fresh 3 day, i noticed some spotting in my panty liner yesterday, first brown then thin pink, the night before had mild pain in my right overy but again assuming this is normal? hoping this is implantation and nothing bad, my test is not until 20th but I’m afraid I may cave earlier and test at home, 11 days I should be able to see a line I believe? What do you think?
Hey, bleeding can mean anything. Some people bleed throughout their first trimester, my friend spotted a lot in her pregnancy. I did a day 6 transfer and started to test faintly positive from day 7dpt so you might pick up a positive if you use a very early detection test. You might not though so I think weigh up how you will feel if it’s negative.
I’d say good signs for sure but nothing really means or confirms anything. I think usually HCG should be strong enough to be really solid from day 10 onwards. Our positive was day 10 and it was really dark. So you’re probably safe to test. I think they want us testing on day 14 to be really sure.
I felt implantation cramps on day 3 mostly. And onwards from there but not as strong. They stopped around day 8. My main symptom has been really extreme exhaustion. I don’t normally fall asleep in the day like this. So I figured my body must be working hard on something.
Good luck if you test in the morning! Xxx
Am so happy for you, congrats on your BFP. Xx
not sure if I should test or wait and distract myself
Hi, it looks we have the same OTD for the 20th. Best of luck to you. This is my first FET cycle, have had period pain on and off since a week before transfer date. There have been times when I felt like my period was about to start but so far nothing yet. My nurses have been super clear about not testing early so so far I have managed to resist the temptation. I would recommend holding on till the test date, you're nearly there. Wishing you all the best 🙂
Been thinking of you both today xxx
Thank you so much, so I got BFP this morning, couldn't believe it at first. I tested early like just before 4:30am after trying to get some sleep since midnight and failing, I just couldnt sleep so decided to test. One of the lines was lighter than the other one, but definitely 2 lines . I tested again just after 7am and definitely 2 lines with one line slightly lighter again. I am so grateful and relieved, thank you for checking in 😊xx
Aaaah trying to sleep the night before testing is hard! I was the same. That's fabulous though! Congratulations! are the next steps to go into your clinic for bloods? As far as I know it doesn't matter if one line is lighter than the other. If it's there it's a positive. So pleased for you xxx
Oh thank you so much. 🙂, so I went to the clinic to get some more meds as my clinic only give enough to last until OTD. Then after positive test result they then give enough to last until scan date. I showed the nurses pictures of the lines and they said not to worry as it was clear there were definitely 2 lines. Thanks for the reassurance as well. 😊So they've booked me in for scan in 3 weeks time. How is going with you? really happy for you as well.xx
Congratulations on your positive result 🥳
Thank you so much. Xx🙏
hi lovely
I’m also in the 2we. 9dpt6db. This time I started tested early and test the trigger out.. absolute torcher. Test day is Tuesday and I’ve had no systems expect cramping day 8/9 and possibly a squinter on a pt yesterday but honestly think I’m seeing things. Booked in to get my hair done to distract myself xx
Hi! I’ve done so many tests that I think I might be top buyer this year for both First Response and Clear Blue pregnancy tests! You are right, it is a bit like being tortured. Not long left now though. I hope you get lucky this time 🍀🍀🍀🍀
Thank you so much xxx how are you doing? It’s hard to be realistic and optimistic at the same time isn’t it? Did anyone else take a trigger on their fet? It’s our last embryo we have and 2nd ivf round with first round of no embryos, so I have no idea what we’ll do after if this doesn’t work out xxx sending all the love and positiveness to everyone in their 2ww xx
It is really hard to relax and get that balance right! I have been testing positive since 7dpt and every morning I think it might be over and even if by tomorrow (OTD) it’s positive I’m still almost too aware of what could go still go wrong. No trigger shot for me. This was our last attempt on the NHS if it doesn’t pan out we’d be egg collecting again as our remaining two embryos aren’t great. Our clinic grades embryos differently I think. I have a 6B+B- and a 6B-B- in there. It seems that at least one of them is sticking (for now) xx
My fingers are crossed for you. I had a 4ab transferred and my transfer day was just so lovely. A few more days of waiting I hope it goes well for you xx
We are on our only embryo of 5 rounds. I know the pain of going through egg collection to get nothing. It’s awful. Fingers crossed for you. If not and you can afford to try again it might be worth trying other clinics. We’ve always been amazed when we think it’s game over that someone can still suggest something new to try. Or discover something new about my body. Our rule has been if the clinic can’t suggest an alternative plan for potentially better results we move. Reflexology and fertility massage have been key for me too. Especially with managing endo. If this doesn’t work for us we will be looking at donor eggs probably as I don’t think I’ve got another round in me and so many years have passed now. We’re just desperate for a kid to love. It’s scary to hope but good to be positive if you can. Yet realistic as well so you’re prepared for whatever happens. XxX
Thank you so much, wishing you all the best too. This was my final round on the nhs and because they keep telling me I have poor egg quality I just don’t think I can face another round trying with my own. I’m already at the stage thinking about donor eggs. That’s true I’ve only been with the one clinic and each time the protocol has been the same, I just figured it’s the nhs. Ohh I will look into fertility massage, I have acupuncture weekly and I can recommend it enough plus the herbs they give me after to regulate my cycle. Xxx
Our nhs round was so awful. I also have bad egg quality and sperm isn’t great either. I was consistently getting 15 mature eggs but fertilisation rates were very poor (only 2 fertilised in our first round) and we couldn’t make blastocysts. But here I am now pregnant so far!! 🤞
NHS were dreadful. And when they said ‘we’ll just try the same thing again’ we were done. We moved to a London clinic which has been expensive but they worked hard to get us that embryo. Variations of meds or cycle type every time using everything we had learned so far. We also did a round in Greece with George at Ark. If you have a bit of money and you’re not ready to give up on your own eggs there is still hope and always more you can do. Every person is different so it’s just about finding that right solution but also getting lucky as well with the right egg and sperm coming together. It’s a hard but personal decision on when you move on. If this pregnancy doesn’t work out we will go donor. Not because we don’t believe it’s possible but it’s taken years to get here and we’ve had 5 challenging rounds. 6 if you count the one that was cancelled the day before egg collection because of Covid. 🙈 and we’ve done everything. We just know it’s time.
So don’t lose hope if you’re not ready to. The best thing we’ve done is find a great therapist. She’s got us out of a dark place and in a much better position mentally, which I really believe has got us to where we are now XxX
currently in my 2ww on our 3rd FET. 1st FET was successful, but sadly miscarried 4.5 months in. 2nd transfer didn’t take, and this is our last FE, so I’m so anxious and nervous… currently 5dp5dt. Took a test this morning and was a BFN, but I know it’s still early… just needing to stop being so anxious but always easier said than done.
Sorry to hear about your miscarriage. It’s almost impossible not to be a bit anxious, I’m terrible during the two week wait. Especially this time! I’ve never tested at 5dpt but I got a super weak positive 7dpt and I don’t think it would have shown any sooner so you probably are just too early 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
OTD today, started the day by home urine test as I couldn’t see my dr until later in the afternoon, urine test came neg! Absolutely gutted and not sure what to say, we had a double fresh transfer and none seemed to make it, dr said i should keep taking my meds until beta results are in, but would it be any different?!
Hi Faith, sorry about your negative test, I know its difficult but it's not over yet, sometimes the urine test can be negative then beta test can be positive. Your Dr also said keep taking the meds , so don't give up hope., rooting for you and wishing you all the best .xx
So sorry to hear that. This process is just so hard and so unfair. Sending love and lots of future hope your way xxx
beta came in too low, low as 0.2 ! However, my dr wants me to krrp taking my meds and retest, does this make any sense at all?!
Have any of you had trouble keeping progesterone levels up after transfer? They keep testing mine as it was too low on transfer day. It did go up but now it's dropped again so they're added a new medication to the mix. I'm already on such a high dose of everything. They said it can fluctuate. So I'm not sure how unusual this is really. Hopefully it's not a concern. It's 75 and they want it about 100. x
Hey, I haven’t had this issue myself. I’m on 400mg pessaries twice per day of cyclogest which I use rectally and 25mg of Lubion twice per day and my level was 190 on transfer day. I haven’t had it tested since. How are you taking the progesterone?
Wow that's high! I'm on 3 cyclogests a day rectally. 2 Lubion injections. It was 80 on transfer day. It went up to 100 a few days after. Now dropped again. Sounds like maybe it can just bounce around a lot but it's frustrating I'm on such high doses and not getting it higher. I can't remember the name of the new medication but it's a gel I have to pump vaginally. I don't think they can increase the other meds any more. They're testing me again next week. It's like my body is refusing to accept the medication.
I wonder at what point the placenta takes over. Is it possible to have low blood levels but it’s still doing the job? Hopefully the additional meds will work and you can relax a bit soon. This first bit of pregnancy is scary. I have no symptoms and that’s slightly freaking me out even though I know this is normal and even on all the drugs I am on I don’t have symptoms so I might just be one of those people (or it’s too early) x
Maybe you’re just lucky and it’s a good thing! Haha. Hard to see it that way at the time when we have every little thing to worry about. But maybe you’ll look back and be glad. I’m the other other extreme. My symptoms are preventing me from doing life as normal. But it’s lovely to feel them. The nausea is getting worse and the exhaustion is literally switching my body off in the afternoons and I just can’t function. It’s crazy 🤪
Have you logged your pregnancy with your chosen nhs hospital? I didn’t realise until today that we needed to since I’m still being looked after by our clinic. But apparently you still need to register early with your chosen hospital to make sure your 12 and 20 week scans aren’t delayed and you get your midwife assigned. They suggest to register asap after your first positive test. Xxx
That sounds so intense! When did your symptoms kick in? I had womb cramps for the first time the day before yesterday and felt a bit rough in the pm. Yesterday I felt totally not pregnant until I cooked dinner and I started to just feel rough, thirsty and like I needed to lie down but once I ate I was okay and back to my normal self. I don’t feel entirely brilliant this morning but I am certainly not “bad”. How many weeks and days pregnant are you?
I’m an nhs patient so I have told the hospital but I do think that there might be two separate departments based on some things I have read from other people. I have a scan in 3/4 weeks time but they haven’t sent me an appointment through yet. I’m feeling really impatient and I keep googling miscarriage rates by week and day and I’m just desperate to get through the first trimester or at least to the scan with the heartbeat 😬.
I felt cramps on the third day after the transfer, and the exhaustion started pretty immediately. I had a consistent tightness low abdomen between about day 3 and 8. After that the cramps and things settled but the tiredness and feeling a bit sick have been more prominent. Opening the dishwasher is awful! Smells so strong. I'm smelling things I've never been able to smell before. I've got this super nose! I have a very sensitive body. I feel everything. my reflexologist says I respond so easily to her as well so I'm really sensitive and she predicted my symptoms and nausea will become quite bad. Embaby responded well to her as well which was lovely. We were both able to feel its energy. Maybe a good thing to do if you're anxious if you can find someone good and see them weekly, as it'll give you weekly updates that everything's going ok.
I think I'm feeling ok at the moment just trying to roll with it all and feeling joyful but I know I'll feel terrified before each scan. I can't even think about that right now. Try to stay away from google and maybe do some pregnancy meditation instead.
I'm technically 5 weeks today. Where are you? My scan is Weds after next so just before 7 weeks.
How are you getting on? x
Sorry I missed your last message. Not sure why! I’m good. No symptoms really still. Yesterday my blood sugar suddenly crashed though and I had to eat a 4 finger Kit Kat 😂. Today I have stayed home and feel pretty normal. I’m 5 weeks 5 days. Apparently if you get a heartbeat on a scan your odds of miscarriage are very low. I don’t have a scan until week 8/9. How are you doing??
our scan is quite early the week after next. About 6.5 weeks I think it’ll be. Terrified for it tbh. Then we get another one around 10 weeks. I think 6 will be quite early for a heartbeat. I’m starting to get scary suspicions of twins because I’m feeling so rough. But then there’s no point us guessing or worrying. My meditation audio keeps telling me to just let go of control and I guess that’s all we can try to do. It’s hard not to keep googling things.
You do seem to have a twin like response but I guess you could also just be very sensitive to all the hormonal changes. Did you find that you had many symptoms from the meds? I think it will be hit and miss whether they detect a heartbeat. I wish I was having a scan sooner! I’m so impatient but I am just trying to take it day by day. I think you are right about control and all the googling probably comes from wanting more control. I screenshot a chart which tells you the statistical chance of miscarriage by the day and week. It’s probably not even accurate!
I am definitely just over sensitive. I can't even tolerate acupuncture anymore as my body is too sensitive. Every needle is like an electric shock.
You could get a scan sooner if you wanted to. There are places like Ultrasound Direct all over the UK. You can just pay for a scan when you like and they'll give you the details and send you the imagery by email. Worth doing if it'll calm any nerves. You're 6 weeks now so that's a big milestone I feel!
I'm getting fed up with family at the moment. There are just too many opinions flying around. Don't do this, don't do that. They're trying to help but they're just causing me un-necessary stress. It's like they're all just terrified of it failing every day and almost expecting it to, and don't trust or respect me knowing my body and taking care of myself. I'm hardly going to be taking any risks after everything we've been through. It's almost as if they're the ones that have been through it all and not us. I wish we didn't have to share the news so early but IVF kind of takes that away from you.
I wonder why you're so sensitive and I'm so 'insensitive" 😂. That said, I was on a train yesterday and I could smell this mans breath from about 2 metres away and I felt like I could smell and identify many smells all at the same time! Either it's my nose or everyone stinks!!
I could get a scan sooner, I've found a place that does them from 6 weeks onwards but imagine if it's just too early and they don't pick up a heart beat and I end up doing another one a week later whilst feeling devastated for a week. I think the impatience is more excitement than anxiety. Although I do keep wondering "what if it's not there anymore or it's died and it's still producing HCG and I am just not bleeding because of all the meds".
I hate unsolicited advice and so have been very selective over who I have told. None of my partners family have any clue what we are up to as they would likely meddle. What type of thing are they saying? I personally find it a bit patronising when people offer random advice and honestly think that given the type of stuff other people get up to whilst pregnant it's either going to work out or not (within reason). You're probably far more clued up on the topic than they are too!
Oh the smell thing is crazy!! It’s awful loading the dishwasher 🤢
My parents are so chilled and his are so… not chilled. But they’ve both been funding our journey. And we need to keep them in the loop. It’s thing around my work and doing certain jobs and when we go on trips. We’ve taken so many precautions for those things. I don’t think they realise. It’s all really infuriating me so I’m trying my hardest to relax today and calm down again.
I’m feeling so impatient too. I wonder if this first scan is the hardest. As we don’t even know if it’s definitely there in the right place doing its thing. We’ve not had much to go by so far.
how are you getting on?
My tiredness has improved the last couple of days making life a bit more manageable! But then makes me worry a bit as well. I’ve had loads of watery discharge too. Are you getting that? There’s soooo much. It’s really ramped up the last few days. It’s so hard to know what’s a concern or not really.
Morning! Thanks for messaging, it’s nice to hear from you. I read that pregnancy symptoms can come and go but I think it’s normal to worry when you feel better! Mine are generally not there at all! I felt quite sick in the back of a taxi the other day and I never get motion sickness, yesterday i felt slightly nauseous but then had a yoghurt and I didn’t feel sick at all for the rest of the day. I did a workout the other day and felt a bit more tired than usual and it was a very tame workout but I haven’t been exercising for a while because of the ivf so I would lose strength anyway. I feel pretty much not pregnant most of the time so that kind of worries me. My vagina has been wetter since putting the progynova tablets up there my knickers were quite damp the other day but it’s nothing to really write home about in terms of there being no increase in pregnancy. This is definitely a good sign though! Whilst not having symptoms is nice it’s also a bit scary to not have them as your brain just worries. I think my boobs and arms look veiny in a way they normally don’t but I’m even doubting that because I am pale and maybe I just didn’t notice this before 🤷🏻♀️. I’ve been doing pregnancy tests every day and they are coming back as very strong positives so I guess I just have to ride it out until that first scan!
Sounds like you're maybe just super lucky! 
But yes it's hard not to worry about every little thing! I've realised I'm still super tired compared to a normal person. I think the levels of tiredness I was having was obscene and completely unmanageable and it seems to have settled now at a more normal level of extreme tiredness. haha
I would be a little cautious about exercising. I'm not too sure why but my clinic and reflexologist have told me not to exercise at all until about 10-12 weeks. (Apart from walking) And no sex either. They don't want any strain or use of stomach muscles and I mustn't pick up or carry anything. I think they are particularly over protective of me though as this is our one precious embryo after so many years! But maybe just check in with what your clinic are happy with you doing just in case. Someone also said to me something to do with the hormones and HCG levels that pregnancy tests will eventually start going faint so don't be alarmed if they do and you're still testing! xxx
I spoke with my clinic about exercising and they said it was fine to get back into it gradually after the two week wait. They also told me that I could have sex too. It's weird that there are different messages unless it's specific to each individual but I felt like the advice I was given was what they blanket say to people at my clinic rather than because I'm such a hench wench lol. I know it's a bit of a contentious subject generally speaking. The place I workout at told me to exercise to 70% max capacity especially if lifting over head and I've been doing pregnancy modifications, no crunches etc. I've done no lifting so far either as I would rather wait until it's a bit more established. I've done one barre class and quite a tame reformer class. I normally workout 5/6 times per week and weight train.
I heard the same thing about the pregnancy tests. I really need to quit doing them 😂.
I honestly don't feel pregnant. I can't even relate to your tiredness, I enjoy an afternoon nap at the best of times so whilst I am getting snoozy in the afternoon I think that's just my usual way of being! I wonder if all the symptoms will hit me all of a sudden or whether I'm just lucky. I also fear the worst but I guess it will be what it is and we just have to wait it out!
So weird! This is the sort of thing that frustrates me throughout the process. The inconsistent advice. Always different. I'm fit and healthy and exercise a lot and I'm even a part time dance teacher and I've been told strictly not to. When I asked why and what it is about exercise that could be bad she just said 'just the act of exercising' … helpful. I think all we can do is listen to our bodies. But do just be a little cautious I think as different professionals clearly have different opinions on it. I'm keeping moving but being really really cautious.
My new progesterone meds will stop be from having sex anyway! They're awful. They are like an anti-lubricant and close and tighten everything up. It's a painful fight for me to insert progynova even hours after. Gosh. I can't wait till we can be off the meds and comfortable in our pregnancies and hopefully not quite as anxious.
I agree it’s frustrating and also annoying because surely it’s just science and they should have worked out by now what we can and can’t do and when and why!
I too look forward to being off the meds and in that second trimester! That drug you are on sounds horrendous!!
How are you getting on? Have you had your first scan yet? X
Hey, I had a scan last Friday and the sonographer said I was carrying twins and that whilst they had heartbeats both babies were too small. I went to the EPU on Monday and both no longer had heartbeats. I hadn’t been exercising since you said you were told not to, not that the workouts I did were strenuous at all. They think it’s just that the babies had chromosomal abnormalities . I have a d and c booked for Monday but have been bleeding on and off despite continuing progesterone. I’m okay given the circumstances. I was devastated but I feel like I have already mostly processed it and know what our next steps are etc. how are you doing? Have you had a scan?? Xx
Oh gosh I’m so sorry. That’s such hard news to take. Sounds like you’re managing it ok but it must be hard and may take a while to really get over it completely. I really feel for you and don’t know what to say.
We’re doing well so far. First scan was all as they expected/wanted, with heartbeat, which was just over 6 weeks. and we have our second this Thursday which will be our last with the clinic before they send us on our way with the nhs. So just hoping everything’s still ok. Weekly reflexology has been really beneficial and she’s been telling me everything feels good in there still so 🤞
It’s quite shocking in one sense but then again we’re doing ivf and it seems like anything can happen 😖. I have my surgery today and I slept well last night. Happy to finally come off the progesterone, it’s annoying taking it when you aren’t pregnant. I’m so happy that your scan went well. I hope Thursdays goes well too. I’m beginning to think all that batch of blastocysts might be dodgy and that starting again and pgta testing is the way forward. I still have to use my last two anyway but they are worse quality. Hopefully we can get that done this year and start fresh with another egg collection in 2025. Please let me know how your scan on Thursday goes, I’m rooting for you xx
We certainly learn to take these hard hits in ivf. We get so many ups and downs. Mainly downs. We’ve had nothing but bad news really for years so we’re still finding this hard to believe and come to terms with.
I wouldn’t write off your batch just yet. I’ve heard a lot of positive stories about the worse quality embryos being the ones that stick. The grading is very subjective and you just never know. At least you have the option of another collection so you know you can give it another go. Got everything crossed for you and hope the surgery goes well today and you can feel better and move on afterwards xxx
I know sometimes the last thing you want is people trying to give advice but i thought I’d share some things we’ve learnt on the way or from our clinic in case it might help you for next time. So you can take or leave what you like. You may not agree with it even. It’s a very subjective world!
- our clinic have said they get marginally better results from single embryo transfer rather than 2. And from frozen rather than fresh although very VERY marginal when we looked at the figures.
- they tested me for natural killer cells and also thyroid antibodies. They offered steroids and intralipids to counteract but we decided not to as my results weren’t too bad and the studies and views on steroids or minimal. But I know many that this has worked for after multiple miscarriages. We’ve also been on blood thinners as well as progerstone which apparently helps. Some people are tested for something called Antiphospholipid syndrome in which case the blood thinners are really important
- ALICE EMMA test checks bacteria in the uterus. There could be something there that will cause issues. Or if that’s too expensive you can get microbiome tests from companies like Daye just to check the bacteria levels in there are ok. It’ll take at least 6 months of probiotics to improve them usually.
- it was recommended that we isolate prior to transfer as they’ve had a few miscarriages after women have had Covid quite badly within their first week or two after transfer. They cancelled our cycle when I had Covid and insisted I fully recover before transfer. So I isolated completely after that for nearly a month. Although I got the impression the women who may h e been affected by Covid had it really quite badly. I think it’s having a fever that can cause an issue.
- the obvious diet stuff. Eggs oily fish Brazil nuts. I have a breakfast every morning of organic natural yogurt for probiotic, Brazil nuts that I’ve processed into crumbs (helps lining I think), organic raw cacao for its antioxidant properties, flaxseed powder, blueberry powder and honey. Super yummy too
- other clinic advice was just no probiotics starting from taking progesterone, no exercise or sex from transfer, and the obvious really in eating well. No caffeine or alcohol etc etc. progesterone levels above 100.
- I’d also had a septum removed from my uterus with an operation as that had been shown to reduce chances. That was discovered after a HyCoSy and MRI. Then hysteroscopy.
- keeping hormones balanced. Yoga reflexology or acupuncture. Or mediation etc. herbal teas.
- regular thyroid checks to keep it below 2.
- fertility massage in the lead up can be really beneficial to prepare the womb. And again the day before transfer. I felt like this prepped me for a better environment in there. And I kept it warm with a hot water bottle before transfer too.
That’s all I can think of at the moment take or leave any of that. I know after our failed rounds I’ve always wanted to find some things we could do differently next time as it just made me feel better. So thought I’d share just incase any of it can be helpful.
Sending love xx
Thank you for this. The single vs double theory is interesting. I still want to do a double next time because I want those embryos used so we can egg collect asap and bank some hopefully better embryos (my partners sperm is better than last time but I am of course older). I’m okay if that cycle fails without feeling or being negative. I was thinking “if one is abnormal and one is normal does that potentially mess up the other?” So this is a convo for future transfers. I will ask about this. As for the fresh vs frozen I have pretty much already decided to freeze all for our next collection which means I lose an nhs fresh transfer. I don’t want to gamble on untested embryos anymore and I felt like my fresh transfer was a waste as my body was not in the best place that time (in my view). I had I think 23 eggs collected and I think had I become pregnant ohss was very possible and I just don’t want to risk that. I was on edge about it that first cycle. I will also at least bring up the tests you mentioned. You may remember me saying that I had Covid in my two week wait. I think I picked this up in the hospital when I went for bloods as there were a lot of coughing people about. I don’t think this caused my embryos to die but it’s possible, we can’t know for sure. I will bring this up. I was not particularly ill and don’t think I had a fever. I doubt anyone has a conclusive answer.
I’m home from my surgery now. All went well and I feel fine. I’m bleeding but this is normal. I haven’t had to take any pain relief as of yet and I’m hoping for a straightforward recovery 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻.
Thanks again for your advice. I don’t mind advice providing I’m not forced to take it 😂. I also think anything you don’t agree with you can leave and you might change your mind over time. Knowledge is power. My next drs appointment is October 16th so I will fire lots of questions their way.
Please do keep me posted on your scan results xxxx
I don’t think Covid would have been the reason either. My clinic are extremely cautious clearly but it makes me feel better to know we’re doing so many things that may be helping. Maybe it’s a case of lots of little things adding up though. Nobody will ever know. I hope you’re able to get some answers on why yours didn’t make it but I don’t know how likely that is. It’s so frustrating that nobody ever has the answers.
It’s definitely good for us all to share our stories and things we’ve discovered long the way. We’ve definitely found we need to have enough knowledge to make our own decisions on things and not just blindly follow medical advice. We haven’t always agreed with our consultant. Everything is very subjective.
Glad you’re recovering well. Take it easy for a while! Hope you continue feeling ok. X
Do you mind privately messaging the name of the clinic you are at? I’m at the third best hospital in the uk and they are partnered with one of the best clinics in London. So I do generally trust them they haven’t given me a reason not to so far. BUT I had slightly different advice from the nhs and the private dr we had a consultation with. Our next consultation is with the top guy at our hospital (I think) and he also works as a consultant at the private clinic so I am very very interested to hear what he thinks as he’s a bit more in the middle. The nhs man was all about maximising our funding and spoke from the perspective of not throwing away money. The private guy was all about trying new innovative techniques, he wasn’t that salesy and it was all in relation to sperm which was aligned with that situation. Obviously they have new info now and I am SO keen to know where this other guy sits. I wonder how much is based on how much money they think you have. It’s hard to work out but I am going to try and find the best plan for us 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 . You have to weigh up so many factors 😅.
Every person we've ever spoken to has given different advice. There's just not enough research in fertility. Especially women's health. You can only speak to as many as possible and do what you think is best. I've private messaged you x
hey Ladies I’m abit late to this thread but feel like I’m losing my mind in this 2ww. I tested negative 9dpt and again today 11dpt. Has anyone heard any situations that have resulted in negative at home but positive blood test? Clinging to hope as this is the second transfer first one resulted in chemical.
It’s the not knowing that is torture!! I had some implantation bleeding last week and have excessive thirst: need to pee but this could be the medication also!
Just acknowledging this although it’s not something I have experienced as the clinic I go to don’t do bloods. What pregnancy tests have you been doing? My thinking would be if it’s something like an early detection first response test and you are doing it properly you’d have a positive test by now BUT my clinic make you wait for 14 days which must mean that sometimes the positive tests come in later. I also saw a post saying some clinics leave it 14 days to accept a negative so that people don’t come off their drugs too soon. That said when I have a day 9 negative I pretty much rule myself out and always been correct. I also find the not knowing worse and weirdly when I have a negative result I feel sad but like I can at least move forward. The limbo state of the two week wait is the toughest part for me so I completely understand why you’ve reached and why this is torturous xxx
it’s the limbo that is the worst. I have done clear blue digital and stick both negative so will wait on bloods but at least feel somewhat prepared for the outcome!! It’s such a journey - thankyou for taking the time to respond x
please feel welcome to reach once you have your conclusion (zero pressure though!) xx
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