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National Health Service to offer 800 calorie meals to reverse type 2 diabetes

Jerry
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Hi everyone. This has been on the news this morning and it looks good news to me for type 2 Diabetes sufferers, so here's a link to the article(s) on the BBC Guardian Independent:

bbc.co.uk/news/health-46363869

theguardian.com/society/201...

independent.co.uk/news/heal...

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The same can be taken in solid form to achieve the goal . In fact it is advisable to take 1200 calories per day after growth period is over . It takes about 6 months to get rid of diabetes with out medicines and with out strenuous exercises , with out feeling weak and hungry .In cold climates it is rather easy to go on liquid diet and with 800 calories . It is not easy to maintain the same in countries like India for too long or life long .

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Concerned

Don't you think there are some double standards afoot here?

The NHS, PHE and Diabetes UK spent years saying there was no evidence that a low-carb diet was healthy.

Now, this diet is definitely very low calorie, and is unsustainable. The RNI for protein is 56g. Therefore, even if there were no EFAs in these drinks/soups, the maximum carbohydrate intake would be 144g per day. You can gloss over that by saying it's a high percentage carbohydrate intake, but that still doesn't alter the fact that 144g is less than 1/2 the former RDA for a man; this is a low-carbohydrate diet.

The ICS-NHS Diabetes Prevention Programme enables people to make informed decisions that don't necessitate undue hunger, and especially not semi-starvation.

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Actually minimum calories needed with sedentary work also is 1400 for women and 1600 for men . Less than that robs away the strength in body and interest in life . Like I have always been insisting the so called research studies vary from time to time . For nearly 40 years they have insisted that fat should be eliminated from diet . Now for the past 10 years they have been singing the glory of high fat diet .The high fat diet , might give good results in the initial 10 years . Then slowly the truth settles down . TRIGLYCERIDES count gets disturbed .The only solution for any disease whether it is diabetes , cancer ,ADHD , Parkinson's or schizophrenia or bipolar is restricting the intake of calories while taking care of all the nutrients . This definitely removes any health problem since all these are autoimmune diseases for which no medicine is detected so far .The prescribed medicines just act superficially and give relief from symptoms . Even insulin injections promote the insulin resistance in course of time . Incase of diabetes type1 , there is no other go except taking insulin .

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I'm sure we all acknowledge the necessity of insulin Hidden ; the key factor is how much.

Triglycerides, as the name implies are three fatty acids bound by a carbohydrate (glyc-) backbone. Take away one carbohydrate and you put three fatty acids out of commission.

If you look at the studies done on 'high fat' intake, it tended to be that people increased their carbohydrate intake over time, that is why there triglycerides went up again. Part of this phenomenon was that people are constantly being told the 'dangers' of eating fat, nudging people back towards the 'norm' of eating less fat, and consequently more carbohydrate. It takes a special mindset to swim against the tide of 'experts' and the media.

Reducing carbohydrate intake is actually the best way of restricting calories because it reduces hunger. There's nothing gimmicky about it; it revolves around how much glycogen your body uses. If you then ingest too little carbohydrate, the body tries to make up the deficit from fat and/or protein; ketogenesis. If you eat too much the excess is turned to triglycerides; lipogenesis. The optimum is between the two. Unless you are extremely active, that usually amounts to less than half the former RDA. Bear in mind that being too active is as bad as being too sedentary; three mile runners are healthier than marathon runners because marathon training outstrips the body's ability to recover, impacting negatively on health.

Have a nice weekend!

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namaha
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Dear Concerned

Agree with your views.

But even with negligible carb intake, if you eat excessive fat (calories more than Your BMR), You can still have high high triglyceride!

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Too much of anything is bad by definition. That said, ingested fat is transported through the lymph system, and if insufficient carbohydrate is present the triglyceride cannot be formed, as outlined above.

This theory appears to be another myth that was popularised to scare people away from the truth with little foundation. Apart from people burning fat, I know of no evidence for someone with high triglycerides on a high-fat diet. Indeed, with the satiation that only having adequate, low Gi carbohydrate, RNI protein and sufficient natural fat brings, people tend to not overeat.

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namaha
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My Dear Coffee day

Great! Please keep it up ! πŸ‘

Along with keeping a tab on carbs count , we need to be mindful of overall calories intake in a day. So calories count is equally important to remain healthy.

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Thank you for your reply . What I want to impress upon is , just as too many calories cause a problem ,too little also cause more than one problem . In course of time the immunity power decreases beyond repair with too little food or totally imbalanced food . We can't compare our bodies with the bodies of animals , usually on which experiments are made. Even among humans also the factors like race , climate , genes , quality of water , air , play a big role in deciding the quantity , quality & variety of food .some times in the same family also the same food causes different symptoms .

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suryakaizen

I really liked your post Jerry

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namaha
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Hi Jerry !

Good news for you guys living in UK that the govt is making all out efforts to fight T2.

Can you please find out and post the nutritiinal content of this 800 Kcal diet in terms of macro's and micro's.

But perhaps this is only for T2 D people with High BMI's !

The Skinny T2 D with low BMI's - as low as 18-19 may not be able to live with 800 kcal per day. While blood sugar may come down but they would become more skinny and the BMI may drop further which could be fatal.

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Jerry
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Hi namaha, here's article about the trial:

directclinicaltrial.org.uk/...

I hope this helps as it's in depth...and it is for type 2Diabetics coupled with obesity. 😊

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namaha
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Dear Jerry

Thanks for the info !

I have few questions in my mind. Request all to comment !

(1) Indian Diet is mainly grain based and we all eat a lot of Rice, Wheat, potatoes , vegetables, fruits, etc and so we say more carbs leads to insulin spike and then insulin resistance which results in Type 2 in India .

But i thought people in UK mainly eat a variety of meat, egg, cheese which are mainly fat based with high protein. Then why T2 , obesity is creating havoc in UK ??

May be apart from diet, other life style conditions such as sedentary life, eating junk food in fast food outlets, mental stress , etc also are also responsible

(2) all clinical trials are being conducted for T2 D with obesity. Unfortunately Even the basic diabetic drug like Metformin are designed to reduce body weight.

But I read somewhere that 40% T2 D in the world population are skinny, thin built and are with low BMI. Unfortunately I don't find a single clinical trial for Skinny diabetes with an objective of controlling blood sugar and at the same time preserve body weight.

(3) Finally we have practical solutions for T2D with obesity such as Go for Keto, Low calorie diet, reducing eating frequency , IDM, etc etc. which if practised by a skinny low BMI T2, results in to further weight reduction. Metformin also reduces weight. Metformin does not care whether your are obese or skinny!

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So it boils down to one thing . Over weight alone is not the sole cause of diabetes . Not having enough sleep , tension &anxiety , polluted environs , pollution in food , air , water light , even in medicines ,etc all causing this phenomenon . Yes it is a phenomenon and not disease . Insulin , medicines prescribed for blood pressure , high sugars all lead to further hike in blood glucose levels .If all people except T1 ,stop medicines , take organic food as much as possible ,do yogasanas and pranayama , definitely the problem gets resolved .We have to move close to nature as much as possible .If one generation suffers with diabetes , the next generation is getting attacked by psychosomatic diseases . At this rate in another 10 years we don't find a single healthy person . Now as per the statistical data one in three is suffering with diabetes and one in three is dying with adulterated or wrongly prescribed medicines .The fertility rates are also going to fall drastically in another 10 years .This is not exaggerated statement . Let the medical fraternity get up and observe honestly the wrongs done by them.

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