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We all are aware that a person with FBS between 70 & 110 is non-diabetic; between 110 & 140 pre-diabetic and above 140 is diabetic. However, who determined these ranges? I strongly doubt these ranges are provide good business for the doctors, pharmaceutical companies and pharmacies. Moreover, if a person is diagnosed as diabetic and undergoing treatment, then why he is not becoming non-diabetic, even after having medicines for a year or so?

Doctors argue that diabetes cannot be cured, but it can only be controlled. But a diagnosed person , who is undergoing treatment, gradually becoming more prone to diseases, less immunity, increase in diabetes treatment dosages, including introduction of insulin. Doctors are not at all questioned. In addition, this is the reason why insurance companies are not covering ophthalmology related problems, particularly will crop-up with diabetic patients.

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WHO indicates the desirable blood sugar levels which are followed more or less everywhere.Please go through STANDARDS OF CARE

AND CLINICAL PRACTICE GUIDELINES for diabetes issued by them.They are targets that may be achieved to avoid long term complications.These guidelines are no doubt based on the experiences of researchers and diabetes care professionals over a long period.It is up to us to follow them or otherwise.The doctors whom we consult are bound by the guidelines issued by Indian Medical Association,which are naturally based on WHO guidelines.We are free to follow our own standards and line of treatment.A qualified doctor in Kerala treats diabetics with laddoos and a fellow blogger on this site is reporting excellent results with bhindi treatment.Up to us to choose whatever we want to do with our diabetes.

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Kechu in reply to ramana42

Whether WHO knows about Indian practices? Can WHO make a recommendation to totally avoid red-meat? Whether WHO recommend against consumption of alcohol? All are lobby-based at the cost of normal human-being health. Recommendations should not be for the so-called diabetic patients. If it is wrong for the so-called diabetic patients, it is equally bad for so-called healthy persons.

PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE. That's why Insurance Companies do not provide coverage for preventive medicines. They expect the policy holders should suffer from diseases so that doctors and hospitals can make money in the name of treatment and insurance companies will also grow by capturing more policy holders, who afraid of.

Why we are referring to USA and European recommendations? Our (Indian) culture, living style are totally different from those.

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ramana42Volunteer in reply to Kechu

It is not fair to write off the role of WHO in Indian healthcare system.They have done tremendous work in polio,TB,women and child care,family planning etc etc.Their guidelines are based on the knowledge gained from worldwide sources and not specific to the West.And,our own people are associated with WHO in a big way through their country specific initiatives.Indian doctors are not gullible to accept any guidelines if they are not applicable to India.Let us also remember that India is heading to be the diabetic capital of the world,because of too much reliance on carbohydrates.I personally feel comfortable with the guidelines.For example,lowest number suggested is 70 and whenever I face hypo the reading is always below 70.Whenever sugar level is high problems like itching,small wounds not healing,poor memory etc. crop up.Refuting WHO guidelines means refuting the tremendous advances made by medical science over the last few decades.We are lucky that we are living in 21st century.In the first half of previous century,a diabetic would have lost a limb or arm due to gangrene or worse,a painful death.Let us not reinvent the wheel.

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Kechu

I will not say I am diabetic - but would say "I am diagnosed as diabetic". However, no physical symptoms noted, typically every so-called diabetic patient will show. I am not on any medicines, but healthy. I have seen may of our friends and relatives who are under treatment along with "strict diet control", maintain their HbA1C more than 7; few of them have even gone to insulin injections. WHY?

Most so-called diabetic patients are suggested not-to-eat certain fruits and vegetables and therefore they are deprived of certain nutrients. Lack of such nutrients in the long term make them susceptible to certain health attacks as their immunity level degrades. These may lead to failure of critical organs such as eyes, kidney, etc. They fail not because of sugar content in the blood, but due to lack of nutrients in-take for long.

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kamtadale in reply to Kechu

You have said the things I was crying hoarse to tell people of our country.Thanks a lot sir.

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Fasting blood sugar (FBS): Normal-- 100 mg/dL (American Diabetic Association) 110 mg/dL (WHO). Prediabetes--Between 101 to 125 mg/dL. Diabetes--More than 126 mg/dL.

Postprandial blood sugar (PPBS): Normal--Less than 140 mg/dL. Prediabetes: Between 140 to 199 mg/dL. Diabetes--Equal or more than 200 mg/dL.

The diagnostic criteria for diabetes has been fixed by the World Health Organization.

Globally 285 million people currently have diabetes which is estimated to double by 2030 AD.

Diabetes is currently the fifth most common reason for death in the world.

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deevige

your analysis perfect!! at last i found a good analyser of diabetes

i came out of diabetis without medicines from 585 ppbs and 390 fbs to almost normal without medicines and i can challenge any doctor on this

but irony is india has helpless scapegoats nearly 40 crore who are suffering

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venkatramaiah director Deevige classes pvt ltd

with all your care.

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Kechu

I am sorry to say that one lady (my close relative) aged 80+ was on insulin for couple of years (her HbA1C was around 8-9) and she was totally avoiding banana and mango for more than 10 years as suggested by her Diabetic Specialist doctor. But she was shown to another doctor (as I was strongly opposing to showing her to a pathological doctor), who is a qualified Pathological doctor, but practicing Indian medicine. He suggested her few lifestyle changes and also to start consuming bananas.

She is having bananas last one year and she is totally out of Insulin and her HbA1C is 6.5 now.

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Kechu

- Being stress-free;

- 100% strict vegetarian;

- having only Indian millets (no rice; no wheat and any other similar cereals);

- having food only if feel hungry; similarly, I drink water only if I feel thirsty (I don't buy the argument that a person SHOULD drink at least 2 litres of water a day);

- having only two meals a day; two portions of fruits; finishing the dinner by 07:00 PM

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rnpath

the above range of sugar levels reflect the average of what was observed in clinical experience of thousands of symptomatic diabetics , and is not a single persons opinion

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deevige

Will do it by evening

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Kechu

I am talking about Indian corporate hospitals and the insurance coverage attitude. A simple example: A couple who have crossed the age of 55, have to pay the Health Insurance premium which cover among other things, Pregnancy related treatments, delivery charges and baby care. At the same time they do not cover age-related problems (not invited illness), such as ophthalmic, dental and rheumatic. Health Insurance in India covers only critical illness. What it is the percentage of mortality due to heart attacks? It is meagre as compared to the total healthy population.

Although the statistics say that Cardiovascular deaths account for 24.8% of total deaths in India. Remember this percentage is among the total deaths. Also, even if a person dies at the age of 90+, although it is a natural death, the doctor's death certificate will mention 'cardiovascular'.

Don't you think this is absurd?

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deevige

respected sir i need not advertise about my classes !! of course should i choose health unlocked path to do these ?? i ve better digital media and remember i am not even bothered about all those things sir and i really do have a better work than doing these posts it is truth that i ve come of diabetes without medicines

give me a days time i will challenge yu and all docters with proper documents of diacon hospital manav charitable hospital , kanva sai hospital and sanjeevini hospitals mahalaxmi clinical laboratories reports to show that what this world is thinking is wrong

yu can collect documents from all these hospitals which i have mentioned

name of the patient : venkatramaiah HS

diacon hospital and mahalaxmi clinical lab bangalore august frist week 2016 manav charitable hospital august mid 2016

sanjeevini haospital may be febraury or march this year

kanva sri sai hospital almost all the months of this year i ve been regularly checking my HBA1c

seriously speaking sir it is truth that what this world is follwing is wrong ,

few people who do not have enough courage to fight are struggling but i am confident enough so i fought

if yu can arrange a press conference i will come and talk to everybody in pres club along with documents

Can yu arrange it in bangalore ??

i need not advertise myself as a teacher that to in front of struggling diabletes patients it may the cheapest way

god has given enough money more than enough name to me i need not do all those sir

my submission to yu sir (since yu are an elder and educated ) please while using words be soft sir

send your mail id or phone number i will wats app my photoes of documents by tomorrow by collecting from them i cannot scan since i dont have scanner

and i am raedy for any kind of test in any hospital for the symptoms of taking insulin or tablets (as i am not taking it )

thanks and regards

venkatramaiah

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deevige

sir nothing there to control !!!!

allow your body to fight

it must fight it

it looks funny to answer how to control diabetes

which great gentlemen has advovcated in this world that diabetes is uncurable which angel proposed for the first time diabetes is a diseases

nothing !!!

this world is wrong

people (goats ) are scapegoats of modern docters

of course i am not advisng homoe pathy allo pathy or any other pathy ayurveda

allow your body to fight if yu have evough courage try otherwise

take tablets and became weak

show me one example in this world a person who has lost eye or kedney without medication

rather they have started tablets and stopped and suffered

i cannot explain more ive sent my private message read it sir ive given my number call me

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Kechu

I beg to differ. Never ever say that "many are suffering from Diabetes". They were told by the allopathic doctors that they are diabetic. Having the so-called "diabetes" in the so-called ranges and not having any symptoms, then they are not suffering.

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deevige

thank yu sir

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deevige

sir my documents are ready!!

give your mail id i will send it or tell me how to upload to this site i will do it

and i have scanned all of them except document which i got tested on august 4th or 5th august which i have to collect from diacon hospital rajajinagar

ive taken your challenge if u have enough courage im ready to argue and prove anywhere in this world

im ready to prove any doctor or anybody in this world that medicines are not essential to come out of diabetes

now it is your turn

just because yu are an experienced patient yu cannot say what yu are saying is only correct !!

let me prove that im correct

and i read your message

i m really not happy about your message

come on sir tell me where can we meet and im ready for any kind of test are yu ready ?!

i am sure yu will respond to this

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deevige

respectded champak sir

sir my documents are ready!!

give your mail id i will send it or tell me how to upload to this site i will do it

and i have scanned all of them except document which i got tested on august 4th or 5th august which i have to collect from diacon hospital rajajinagar

ive taken your challenge if u have enough courage im ready to argue and prove anywhere in this world

im ready to prove any doctor or anybody in this world that medicines are not essential to come out of diabetes

now it is your turn

just because yu are an experienced patient yu cannot say what yu are saying is only correct !!

let me prove that im correct

and i read your message

i m really not happy about your message

come on sir tell me where can we meet and im ready for any kind of test are yu ready ?!

i am sure yu will respond to this

Hope yu will not respond saying dont respond him !!

just a comment.

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