Now, before I continue, once again I will state that I have no objection whatsoever for folk espousing a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle for ethical reasons. However, it’s a stretch too far to suggest that it’s the optimal model of nutrition for human beings who are omnivores:
‘…an animal or person that eats a variety of food of both plant and animal origin’.
Why? You have a tough road to travel if you seek optimal nutrition. Don't take my word for it, here’s why:
Surely a site selling nutritional supplements and offering advice and warnings is a heads up, however I suspect prejudice and clinging to an ideal no matter what evidence is presented will make not a jot of difference.
Remember my take is to return to the diet of our ancestors who lived normal lifespans largely free of diabetes, Alzheimer's, cancer and heart disease. It’s a diet that the ANCESTORS of today's vegans thrived on and on whose shoulders they stand!
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even vegetarians were also diabetes free .Diet is not sole factor for getting diabetes.
Eating non veg in the most peaceful way ?
Vegetarian food is also nutritious and so many vegetarians live long and healthy. However, with heavy usage of chemicals, nutritious vegetarian diet may be difficult or a bit expensive. For lower income people doing physical work meat and fish help. Those who are vegans need not be argued with, but need not be obeyed blindly. Eggs and milk from ethically reared chicken and cattle are necessary for the economy and nutrition.
The link shows the nutritional deficiencies we may face being a vegetarian or a vegan
It's not an issue if anything causing diabetes
Mike has posted this link with the intention that the deficiencies are understood and taken care
Maybe also indicating that we were omnivores
My belief is that we have opted for being a vegetarian by our ancestors. This is in some case and not in all cases.
Hence to take care of the deficiency foods like milk, ghee, butter, paneer etc are recommended for intake of B12 which other wise will be difficult
Now taking B12 thru an artificial means like tabs, capsules, sublingual or injection is not really designed for in the ancient times.
Vegan is a relatively newer concept which may face these deficiencies
I am a vegetarian and I now started taking eggs as well as fish oil caps to cover the deficiencies.
I would like to make it clear that my statement is not intended to show how diabetes is controlled or not controlled. Making it clear before someone starts shouting on these concepts controlling diabetes.
I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON DIABETES CONTROL BUT ONLY ON THE DEFICIENCIES!
As usual my post is not being read properly
I mentioned that vegans have to take supplements
Not challenged the diet
It appears we need more fats for understanding
Vegetarian diet is a deficient diet
Infact many drs rx B12 to all diabetics who are vegetarian
For vegan It's even more critical
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Please explain to someone here that we are vegetarian who take milk and hence less deficient in B12 compared to vegans who are totally deficient
I have many times pointed out that our ancestors were smart and advised us to take milk, ghee, butter, paneer to overcome B12 and omega3 deficiency
Vegan is a newer western concept which puts the people under total B12 and omega3 deficiency
I have been pointing out this for a long time
But some are unwilling to understand and keep putting counter arguments
Not the same is theory of jainsim is being put forward to me which I have many times pointed out in many threads
You know what?? Hidden we in India have natural sunlight thru out year...for body to make sufficient quantity of Vit d just 15/20 mts of skin exposure to sun is required....
And still.....all over India there is vit D deficiency....
Almost all Indian have Vit level below 40....
The present level is fixed as per study made on white Caucasian population.
naturally we may have some different level....No one knows what is optimum level for Indians....
In my humble opinion nobody can be vegetarian and be alive, then where is the case of being a vegan & be alive?
Do the vegetarians clean the vegetables and leaves externally and internally to the extent of ensuring that there are no micro or mini creatures/organisms are remaining there?
Do the vegetarians filter the water they drink or use for coffee/tea/cooking to ensure that it is free of any mini/micro organisms that come under animal (nonplant) class?
Do the vegetarians filter the air they inhale to ensure that it is free of any mini/mocro ... ...
If the answer to any of these three questions is in the negative, they are not vegetarians, leave alone being a vegan!!! Their intake contains living or dead stuff of nonplant class or category.
Gray langurs are primarily herbivores. However, unlike some other colobines they do not depend on leaves and leaf buds of herbs, but will also eat coniferous needles and cones, fruits and fruit buds, evergreen petioles, shoots and roots, seeds, grass, bamboo, fern rhizomes, mosses, and lichens. Leaves of trees and shrubs rank at the top of preferred food, followed by herbs and grasses. Non-plant material consumed include spider webs, termite mounds and insect larvae.[22] They forage on agricultural crops and other human foods, and even accept handouts.[23] Although they occasionally drink, langurs get most of their water from the moisture in their food.[24]
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