Vegetable/meat based Diet?

...or both?

On the back of my recent comment where I made the case for being an omnivore (no indigenous peoples have ever been vegetarian, let alone vegan) comes this research article.

Nothing the matter with being vegetarian or vegan for ethical reasons, but it is not an argument for optimal health:

Link to the paper:


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  • Yes, with religious (and/or PETA) considerations set aside, omnivore diet is most balanced.

    Class 1 proteins - Wondering from where do vegans get that -- ie which plant?

  • Riveting! Thanks for that. JanR

  • @mikepollard


    Agrees on the above link.

    Appears that the Indian subcontinent somehow our ancestors chose to be vegetarians (but not vegans definitely)

    They probably understood that the carbs in excess would cause problems. Hence the use of whole grains and also the extensive use of all spices like turmeric, ginger, fenugreek seeds as also indian goosberry, bitter Groud vegetables which is proven to have anti diabetic effects.

    Also good fats like butter, Ghee (clarified butter), almonds and walnuts were to be taken daily / regularly.

    Also raw unprocessed oils like mustard oil, sesame oil or ground nut oils were used but sparingly.

    But in the recent times we have shifted to refined carbs', minimized good fats, increased industrial deep fried oily stuff, MacD burgers, pizzas', bakery items, less usage of these spices etc.

    Hence the high risk of all asians towards all metabolic diseases.

  • Dear shashikant

    there is real problem with veg diet. I'm myself eggetarian but don't like to take eggs very much.

    The problem with veg diet is that howsoever i try to keep carbs below 100gms/day and fats to 60% of my daily requirement i can't do because almost all veg food items contain carbs, be it wheat, lentils, legumes, peanuts etc contain carbs. I'm really finding difficult.

    I'm still finding solution.

  • Play around with:

    (1) 2 Glasses of Home made coconut milk with protein powder. If feel hungry, add a glass more

    (2) 2 TBSP VCO with black coffee.

    (3) 200 grams paneer a day.

    (4) 100 grams peanuts a day (or 80+20 peanuts+almonds)

    (5) 30 grams walnuts a day

    (6) Cauliflower, cabbage, broccoli, spinach, egg plant, okhra

    (7) 1 TBSP Sesame seeds

    (8) Strained curd from full fat milk

    (9) Cooking medium - butter, ghee , vco

    (10) Cucumber.

    (11) Onion and tomato pretty restricted in cooking. Not ZERO, but keep a watch on carbs not going out of range.

    And innovate.

    (A) No wheat, rice, bajra, corn, potato, beets, ragi, maize, oats etc.

    (B) I am on 11th day playing around with these, though i do take 3 eggs a day, reducing paneer in lieu of that and trying to be in "Nutritional Ketosis". Being in nutritional ketosis is far more difficult than following the 20% carb rule. If i can go through the nutritional ketosis attempt for a month, wheat and rice will most probably be off my life. Would love to hit 90 as blood sugar average and for that if I have to give up rice and wheat, no issues at all. Eat to LIVE and not LIVE to EAT ;)

    Would love to hit A1C of < 5.0

  • My Breakfast :

    One small chappati with ample Ghee

    Palak subji with ghee

    One non starchy veg

    2 boiled eggs

    Rajma boiled

    Sprouts of moong

    3 tablespoons VCO

    1 tea spoon VOO

    1 teaspoon black seed oil

    1 cube cheese

    Some white butter

    Cucumber salad

    2 teaspoons of ACV+1 lemon

    My BF takes half hour to finish slowly.

    This makes up everything you properly.

  • Mustard oil from India has been to be toxic by the Canadians so beware. On the other hand, Idhayam sesame oil has been found to lower blood glucose, triglycerides and even cholesterol in clinical research trials. It is the only oil that is capable of penetrating all the seven dhatus, hence its significance in abyganga.

  • All industrial oils are toxic.

    That's why we suggest VCO :)

  • The problem has arisen because we have eliminated good fats. Deserted whole grains. Adopted industrial oils. Fed with gmo foods. Junk foods. Stress. Pollution. Pesticides laden veg abf fruits. High sugar consumption. How much can a system take

  • Sorry, but a cow is not a vegetable.

  • Continents where it is tough to do farming had always been dependent of animals for their diet...but country like india where enough plains , resources for farming were available , people chose to remain dependent on farming rather than animal sources.

    And thus this has developed as a way of thinking of "being vegetarian" in indian subcontinent.

    Countires like USA ...Korea(very less plains...70% country covered with hills) during winters snow is present in farming land and everywhere, temperature is below 0 which does not allow farming almost half of a year, so people were forced to be non-vegeterian. And thus these countries people like to eat non-veg.

    Just imagine great are the survival skills of human being can find human being in every part of world adapted to climate and eco -system of that place:) :)

  • And the Eskimos with their famous INUIT diet which has no place for plants by and large.

  • OK Mr. pollard, ofcourse cow is not Veg. But you will agree there is lot of difference between bleeding a cow to death and eating it's meet vis a vis drinking the milk which otherwise is surplus after feeding the calf. Then Vegan may be a right term.

  • Agreed, however to call oneself a vegetarian whilst consuming animal products is like being a little bit pregnant.

  • @MikePolard...vegans do not have animals products, but vegetarians can have excluding meat...there is nothing in name and definition:) Main point is philosophy of being vegetarian... is not to kill any animal just for the sake of feeding ourselves...there are many vegetarians...who feel the intense pain and fear of an animal when they see the meat they are vegetarian by choice

    Its the feeling related to cow that make us feel so miserable and sick when we see beef or talk about it

  • I think feeling bad for killing an animal to feed oneself is understandable and should not be restricted to cows. As I am living in India I am daily confronted with the hypocrisy of the beef-eating issue, or better said the ban on beef-eating. If we have such strong feelings of love for cows why don't we take better care of them, in stead they are left to loiter among garbage , choking on plastic and poisoning themselves slowly. (I don't want to think even of the quality of milk they produce with that kind of diet) Also I don't think it is healthy for the cows to be resting on busy roads amidst the horrible fumes of exhaust of the vehicles and the risk of being injured. Nobody seems to care about that, slowly killing and poisoning a cow is allowed but swift killing has become a dangerous political issue........

  • Regarding "cows to be resting on busy roads amidst the horrible fumes of exhaust of the vehicles and the risk of being injured"

    I would like to say that I have seen people carelessly let their children roam around on roads ....while they are working roadside ...why people like this, will care about their pets either cows or dogs , rabbits or parrots :) ?But I have seen people who feel genuine respect to their pets ...feed them nutritious things with their hands ...just not because they will get milk or sth in return ...its the respect for pets whom they are responsible for and never let them get lost on roads like their own children...

    This cow topic really vast and so lots and lots of space for debate :)

  • Killing a cow has become a dangerous political issue because of "pseudo seculars" who are also called SICK Seculars or Sickulars in India. They would shout from roof top when it comes to cows for food but marbles freeze when it comes to talking with same fervor on pork.

    How many cows have you seen knocked off to death on roads? I have extensively driven on Indian highways, and do every year even now once a year while on recreational vacation where we move in our own vehicle, and can't recall when I saw a cow knocked off to death last time. In fact, have seen more fatal accidents on highways than cows dead on road. Why? Because Cows for Hindus is sacred and India still is around 80% Hindus.

    As for quality of milk, the dairies do all the QC :)

  • Still my point stands, cows are treated badly, if you really consider them sacred, treat them well and with love and care. I agree that all animals should be treated with respect but not just singling out one just for the sake of being Hindu. I am Indian from a Hindu background but have the facility to think critically and not do follow any religion blindly and dogmatically.

    The same holds good for following any line of treatment, be it advised by doctors or by others, which is why health forums like these are so useful.

    It is not anti-Hindu or anti-national or anti-anything to criticize generalisations like "we Indians, or we Hindus", I think to improve we have to get off the high horse and think critically.

    Perhaps I should not have reacted on this forum as it doesn't add to the health/medical contents but as it becomes harder to speak out I sometimes feel a strong urge to voice my opinion, but I won't do it again unless it concerns a medical issue.

    Perhaps we should just agree to disagree.

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