is it a cure or what?????????

I have known my father to have diabetes, because, when I was young, going to school, i used to see him on a daily basis, testing his urine in a test tube over spirit burner. and then add some drops through dropper, and the color of the urine would change to green/red/or blue/yellow. As children, we were amazed at this change of color and experiment, and would peek through the door throughout the whole progress.

He would take karela juice with curd every day in the morning and chappati for dinner.. No tablets, I thinks.

Later on, as years went by, it was all stopped. He lived a full life till 81 years,(that was 22 years back,) never sick for a day, travelled extensively between Chennai and Trivandrum, and ate all what he can, ate sweets, and rice and I think he was cured of diabetes, but no one in the family know how. I was diagnosed with diabetes long after he was gone. It is still a mystery. I am the only one in the family of five with this disease.

Any one, any guesses,??????? I could have asked my mother, but she too passed away immediately before his death, and I think mainly her loss hastened his end.

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  • You will never know the extent of his disease, or how diet affected the progress of it. To suggest he cured himself therefore is pure conjecture.

  • The facts don't appear clear from your observations, and this is often the case with observational studies too. By focussing on the juice for instance, you may not have noticed other dietary changes that had a significant effect on his blood glucose. He could easily have been ill without you being aware.

    The Okinawans had the longest healthy life expectancy until recently, having many people living well beyond 100. One story goes that when a Western group went to find the secrets of the Okinawans' health, they were told that pork was considered a health food. The Okinawans were then warned of the dangers of this fatty food. The point is we often have an agenda/prejudice even if we aren't aware of it.

    What can be concluded is that eating the way you did contributed to your type 2 diabetes. All carbohydrate is turned to glucose in the body. High levels of insulin pre-dispose the body to storing fat which can add to insulin resistance. Excess fructose especially causes NAFLD, harmful fats then emanating from the liver causing visceral fat that also increases insulin resistance.

    Reduce your intake of sugar, flour, fruit, grains, cereals, tubers, root vegetables, beans, peas, chickpeas and lentils, favouring natural fat instead.

  • Excellent, apart from a 'little' when it comes to natural fat as that's where the energy deficit has to come from.

  • Concerned

    Well said. Our food is our medicine.

  • Thank you MikePollard and Concerned for your response. I agree with both of your thoughts. Yes, I am reducing intake of all the items "Concerned" had mentioned. Yes, as Mike mentioned, maybe I was not aware of the extend of his disease.

    But, my point was, even though he was/or maybe diabetic, he lived a full life, enjoying all the food, walking daily to the temple nearby, and was healthy till the end, little did he bother about his affliction.

  • It's not a long life that matters. My mother died last Friday aged 94.

    A long life yes, but on a downslope for 40 years culminating being bed bound staring at the ceiling with no interest in life whatsoever.

    Two years ago she had an infection that hospitalised her and she said to me 'I hope I don't recover - I've lived too long'.

    Two years later here I am.

    The point?

    It's not just you - it's the people you leave behind that have to pick up the pieces.

    Get the best information available HERE denied to the less fortunate who cannot access the internet and do something so you are not picking up the pieces I have to do now.

  • May her soul Rest In Peace.

    Our Condolences.

  • May her soul Rest In Peace.

    Our Condolences.


  • Mike,

    may her soul rest in peace.

    yes, agreed "get the best information available here denied to the less fortunate who have no access to the internet".

    that is why i am enquiring around, and I find so many responses, which is encouraging, giving you motivation and support. Thank you all.

  • May her soul rest in peace. My condolences.

  • My hearty condolences Mr. Mike. May her sole rest in peace

  • My sincere condolences for her.Life and death is under nobody's hand .It is we to take care utmost for better healthy life.Karim

  • I can't imagine the sadness you must be feeling from your loss.

    Hmmmm here is one saying in Marathi....

    स्वामी तिन्ही जगाचा आई विना भिकारी ….

    Which means that lord who owns this universe is poorest man cause he doesn't have mother.

    Its very big loss for some one ....

    May her soul rest in peace ..

  • Hmmmm died at age of 81.....

    What was the cause of death????

    My grand mother had diabetes....she use to eat whatever she wanted....No medicines....died at age of 79(death kidney failure)

    My father had diabetes...he use to eat whatever he wanted.... died at age of 85...cause of death multiple organ failure.

    So I guess with diabetes...even with uncontrolled diabetes.... you can live good long life...if other parameters are good.

  • @ cure-yes I agree with you, if everything else is ok, you can live good life.....

    regarding my dad, he was ok till my mother's death in feb of that year. Since, then, he was hallucinating between her being alive and there, and next, crying uncontrollably missing her presence and refusing food. Slowly, he lost interest in life, and within 4 months, he too breathed his last, ofcourse, kidney failure, he was in hospital for a week. But, even in his final words, he called out to my mum.

    I don't think any of the afflictions (BP and diabetes-debateable) he had caused his death, he was heart-broken.

  • I agree my fatherlived upto91 years He had diabetic. He ate what ever he wanted even noodles Only controlled eating

  • There is one more mysterious case of my 78 year old Mama[uncle mother's eldest brother], he was diabetic all his life, he had high bp, sugar, and cholesterol he was on strict diet ,always walking but in last 6-7 years mysteriously all his numbers has come to normal, he doesn't not follow any diet and eats everything still , he says he is reborn

  • sati006,


  • Sati006

    yes. Things happen in life you can't explain. I'm myself had hypertension since i was in my mid thirty. No medicine could control my high b.p. My diastolic never came down below 95 whatever medicine i took or whatever changes i made in my life style. I used to play a lot of cricket and was walkin everyday then for 1 to 1.3 hrs daily.

    About 12 yrs back i was diagnosed to be having diabetes. I never expected diabetes for me. No h/o D in my family. Ya h/o D in my maternal uncle and aunt but then i was very active physically. And to my surprise my b.p. suddenly got normal. Systolic in the range of 120-130 and diastolic 80-85.

    Till date my bp maintains a normal range. The only medicine i'm taking is ramipril. That too as a cyto protective because i have diabetes.

    I think it's because when my genes expressd D my bp genes setting changed to normal. But it's a guess and no doctor can explain.

  • @ suramo

    may be after getting diagnosed you must have reduced your weight...may be on LCHF.or atleast restricted carbohydrates.

    Actually I am also experiencing same effect.I use to take Sartel 40 and my BP was in range of 95-140

    Now since I reduced by 10 Kgs.... now with sartel 20(50% dose )my BP is 85-130.

    I guess this is due to carbs restrictions.

  • @Cure

    Carbs restriction yes. Weight reduction no. My weight is more or less constant around 75kg.But the bp control is surprising. I was taking less carbs even before gettin diagnosed. Restricted carbs further after diabetes.

  • Carb restriction reduces insulin levels in the blood. Insulin is a vasoconstrictor.

  • Shri..

    Objective: In the vasculature insulin activates two distinct signaling pathways that result in secretion of nitric oxide (NO) and endothelin (ET-1), respectively. NO, stimulated by higher insulin doses, is thought to be the underlying agent in insulin-mediated, endothelium-dependent vasodilation. However, we have shown that at low doses insulin causes vasoconstriction in the human microcirculation. We postulated that ET-1 stimulated by insulin could be responsible for this vasoconstriction. In an earlier study we found, that insulin at a dose, that by itself caused vasoconstriction, inhibited vasodilation to an ET-1-type-A-receptor (ET-A)-antagonist, suggesting increased insulin-mediated ET-1-activity. The role of ET-1-type-B (ET-B)-receptors in this setting remained to be identified and was the focus of the present study.

  • exercise i mean travel and karella juice ,curd and cahpatis in nightt kept diabetis in control-Dr pcrao vemuri

    mainly diet and exercise for diabetic control required

  • @ pcraovemuri,

    may be his diet, attitude and diet kept diabetes in control, but nowadays, they say karela does not have any effect on diabetes, is it true?

  • Sugar in urine is detected if it is 180 or more Previously if the sugar is less than 180 you are not diabetic

  • @ girish1212,

    Then he should have been diabetic, because his urine used to change to green or orange(deep red) or deep yellow or pink on some days. I do not know how he analyzed these results.

  • you were so nearest and atleast for curious you could asked with your father after you grown up. now i am so curious about the colour change of urine ask your fathers brother or mothers close relative friends or who was your fathers closest friend please tell me if you found any answer.

  • reenalnobo,

    your are right, I should have asked enquired about all this, but I did when I was in college,but what was told to me by my mum was he was not well, diabetes and hence karela juice and other diet. But, the urine part was not discussed, because it was not appropriate at that time. More conservative, i suppose.

    We lived in Chennai, away from relatives, so they were not much aware of the goings, so they were not much informed about all this, even though most of them visited us in Chennai, because in those days, there were no direct long trains, and all trains journey from trivandrum had to be broken at Chennai and the connection taken probably next day or so.

    What to do?, my siblings too are also in the dark about this, like me.

  • @ reenalobo

    At present LCHF is only very easy, straight and delicious answer.

    Plz follow that.

  • @ nairrajis, Your language resembles that of a medical doctor?!

  • @ shooter george,

    oh no.

    I worked for the Accountant General, kerala, Tvm, as Acct Accounts Officer, took voluntary retd and was in the USA for 10 years, and worked in a medical lab in a Govt Trauma Hospital as a specimen processor, due to my science background. That's all the knowledge I have with the medical field.

  • I am not completely wrong in my intuition that you have/had close acquaintance with medical field :-) . You have aroused my curiosity; what is the nature of work of a specimen processor in a Trauma Hospital of USA?

  • good we are talking about something else other than diabetes here once in a.while.

    Sir, I worked in the Harborview Medical Center, seattle as a lab tech.

    As a lab tech, one has to sort and prioritize initial specimens and requests, centrifuge and aliquot appropriate specimen type and quantity as ordered, process data entry of patient information and tests requested, process timed urine collections: add preservatives, measure, aliquot, etc.

    Additionally, duties will include:

    Assist in orientation, training and support of new employees.

    Maintain records, answer telephones and window reception.

    Also perform blood draw in the clinic during out-of clinic hours.

    This is just a brief gist of some of the work performed in the lab.

    Yes, I did gained some medical knowledge while I worked there. It was a great experience working in a trauma center.

  • Thank you @ nairrajis for sharing the details.

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