Who will tell me in simple terms what, why & how is Liver Dump?

[ShooterGeorge]

I am yet to get a clear understanding about the subject mentioned in the title.

Eagerly await your learned response.

[Pintu]

Consult a good text book of Physiology or in the Internet look for liver functions etc.

[ShooterGeorge in reply to Pintu]

Thank you sir.

[sugarfree54]

Good to see you back on health unblocked,dear E M G sir

[ShooterGeorge in reply to sugarfree54]

[sugarfree54]

Good to have EMG back on health unblocked,welcome back Mr.George!

[ShooterGeorge in reply to sugarfree54]

[vk65]

Nice to see your posting. Welcome Mr.George and be active in the forum to motivate us.

[ShooterGeorge in reply to vk65]

[vk65]

Dawn Phenomenon (Liver Dump) Dawn phenomenon occurs in the morning. Dawn phenomenon is the term given to an increase in blood sugar in the morning caused by the body's release of certain hormones. It is a relatively common phenomenon amongst diabetics.

Dawn Phenomenon (Liver Dump) - Causes of ... - Diabetes.co.uk

diabetes.co.uk › blood-glucose › d...

Courtesy Google..

[ShooterGeorge in reply to vk65]

Thank you very much for the explanation & the link. I shall visit the page soon. Thanks once again

[ShooterGeorge in reply to vk65]

Hi @Jayramgvk,

Visited co.uk & got lots of information. Thank you for the help.

[amitkul]

it happens in non diabetics also

[ShooterGeorge in reply to amitkul]

Ooho! I see. Thank you for the detail.

[no2diabetes]

Yup it happens both for diabetics as well non diabetics. It is basically body's natural defence to get ready for early morning. So between 4 to 6 AM early morning liver dumps glucose into blood so that the person is ready for morning. In a normal non diabetic person, insulin is released from pancreas as a response and so it starts converting that dumped sugar into energy. These are typical morning wakers who get up early blessed by their genetic program. While in diabetics this dump is not converted to energy as insulin released is not acting or less acting. Type 2 people have developed insulin resistence while type 1 have no insulin. This high sugars makes them sloppy and tired and so high fbs in the morning. This is called Dawn phenomen..

[ShooterGeorge in reply to no2diabetes]

Thank you so much for the nice explanation.

[no2diabetes in reply to ShooterGeorge]

Thanks sir. I am 48 years old female diabetic. I am swimmer and energy levels high vth no classic diabetic symptoms. My mom was at 32 diabetic and i managed to pull it till 47 vth active lifestyle. But severe right leg pain ( neuropathy specific to hip ) and no sleep vth fbs in the range of 120 to 130. My doctor started meds since 6 mnths. I am on 500mg metaformin twice a day nd fighting back diabetes like all my fellow frnds on the forum. Just started cutting down regular oils nd switching to ghee nd vitgin oils in moderate. Vl start fish oil supplement as i am vegetarian nd no eggs also. Will be trying long wheat therapy once these are set. Will update on each progress after few months.

[ShooterGeorge in reply to no2diabetes]

Please go ahead, new @no2diabetes.

[no2diabetes in reply to ShooterGeorge]

Hi all, am back from hibernation. Quite busy vth home family dog travel etc. Above all PMS hits females into low. Keep wondering if its estrogens or diabetes that causes sugar spikes nd restlessness. AnywY keeping low nd going into hibernation vth a smile helps lot during those times...

[Jaffy]

I agree with Dawn Phenomenon (Liver Dump) most of the Endocrinologist doctor's don't know this. I have spoken to them personally.

I used to have FBS 125 to 129 every day. I started to take a snack one hour before bed time, one or two brown bread slices with a cheese slice, I test after 8-10 hours of fasting now the FBS between 105 to 112.

For your information...

[ShooterGeorge in reply to Jaffy]

Thank you @Jaffy. Your narration threw more light on the matter.

[no2diabetes in reply to Jaffy]

Right jaffy. Adding further to dawn syndrome, the evening or night time medication is basically to handle dawn syn. However many times, full blown diabetics go into low sugar by midnight as medication is effecting. At this critical low level, body's great defence will release sudden glucose into blood so that one doesnt go into coma. As glucose is not converted to energy, it will start leaching protien from our muscle and metabolize the same. Hence diabetics loose muscle nd look pale. To avoid this expert physcians (all on web) say to take small bedtime protien snack. Like small piece of cheese or a spoon of peanut butter vth slice of apple. This protien vl save our muscle at night. As i take dinner by 9 00 nd force to sleep by 11 i dont take. But if one is having dinner at 8 nd sleeping by 11 it is must to hv snack to avoid low sugars at midnight. Happy snacking 😊😊

[nairrajis]

I am learning. Good topic. i too would like to know more about this concept and how to manage it.

[ShooterGeorge in reply to nairrajis]

Me too learning. Got different details & aspects of the problem.

[ranga in reply to ShooterGeorge]

Mr SG, You have learn t enough to control BS. How are you now

K.Rangaswamy 9535024040

[ShooterGeorge in reply to ranga]

Thank you @ranga sir. I am fine. Recently my FBS 91 mg%, PPBS 90 mg% & HbA1c 6.0

[ranga in reply to ShooterGeorge]

Dear SG , My FBs is 96mg% and i donot check PPBS and my HbA1c is 6.2. I take Glimsave 1-0-1 and insulin 18 units of 30/70 mixtord with pen once at night only.

I am 75 now and normal health doing morning walk and breathing exercise. I am ACTIVE

[ShooterGeorge in reply to ranga]

Dear RangaSir,

Glad to hear the good news about your HbA1c, FBS & being active. FBS & PPBS give different aspects of the illness. Please check PPBS at least alternate times.

Are you taking LW? If not, please try swapping your starch intake with LW (in any form - mash, roti or what ever) at least once (BF, Lun or Supper) daily for a month & see whether it will make any difference. Did you see the latest addition at appropedia.org/Diabetes_mel...

[ranga in reply to ShooterGeorge]

Dear Mr.SG, Thank you for your reply and I will do as suggested.Due to my occupation I am not fully concentrate on all these issues. PPBS is 160 this is not good though my FBS is 99.

I will try the LW that i purchased today.

I am happy for your concern ,Thank you and Happy Christmas Greetings from us.

Krangaswamy & Girija

[ShooterGeorge in reply to ranga]

Dear Ranga sir,

Thank you & Girija M'm for the greetings.

This month my BS is FBS 73 & PPBS 81. I think such numbers should persuade Diabetics to at least give a try to LWMDR.

Thank you and Happy Christmas Greetings from me.

[ShooterGeorge]

Thank you sir for the additional details.

[no2diabetes]

Right sir. This is vn v r aware. In deep sllep the foll ref talks about somgyi effect and says why meds and evening snacks are important. m.webmd.com/diabetes/mornin....

[no2diabetes in reply to no2diabetes]

Yes webmd is very much informative site written by expert medics nd experinced therapists...

[shrisamarth Volunteer]

Best explanation is here. phlaunt.com/diabetes/175611...

[Hidden in reply to shrisamarth]

shrisamarth I think now you are completely control your blood sugar level

Can u please inform if not meals taken more then FBS is raising or only protein content may taken BS also raising ?

How to avoid early morning FBS what the diet is followedat night ?

Please share your diet plan and how you control blood sugar level without medicine thanks in advance for early replay

[shrisamarth Volunteer in reply to Hidden]

There can not be a single solution specifically for high morning BS. It has to be individually addressed.

I control my diabetes by limiting my carb intake. I don't eat items like chapati or rice. Mostly vegetables, sprouts, paneer, cheese, lot of peanuts, almonds, seasame seeds, VCO, VOO, dry and wet coconut etc.

[no2diabetes in reply to shrisamarth]

That's really good @shrisamarth. But me being indian cant have 0 grain food. If i do i vl go crazy as i dont feel satated nd start gorging more. Being south indian i need to have rice everyday atleast once. So i switced to brown rice nd if i am in north india i take basamati. However quantity i eat is moderate. I take a cup of rice vth boiled veges vth spoon of olive oil nd little salt. I also hv salad vth fresh veggies spoon of apple cider vinegar (ACV), EVOO or VCO vth pink salt nd pepper. Rice dal ndcend vth curds. If rotis then 2 to 3 rotis (small) vth sabzi nd tblspoon rice nd curds. Rice nd curds is must to keep my south indian cravings at bay....

[ShooterGeorge in reply to shrisamarth]

Thank you for the very useful reference, @shrisamarth.

[Hidden]

This is very confusing issue to all the persons By searching so much googles or anything but practical happens may not possible to identify this by so much Doctors also

1 liver dump causes early morning from 4-6-30 Am it is common for diabetic or non diabetic persons.

2 For diabetic if FBS is more then also liver dumps ?

3 If heavy oral drugs or insulin may taken then Blood sugar reduces But some of the persons opinion is if heavy insulin produces itcauses blood insulinThen also FBS spikes together withliver dump FBS may spikes more than 180-200 and above

4 most of the persons opinion liver dumpcauses only at 4 -6-30 Am only and it effects only FBS

please refer also

healthunlocked.com/diabetes...

5 In my opinion it causes PPBS in normal value if heavy work load or not to possible to consume food in longer intervals then blood sugar reduces vigorusly then the body will heavy strains then livr dumps some portions of glycogen to convert the glucose for resuce of the body this time the body give some signals for dangerous happen

So experts may share suitable information about this

and give useful tips to avoid early morning FBS spikes more and to avoid ec liver dumps

Thanks in advance to members

[Jaffy]

I agree with Dawn Phenomenon (Liver Dump) most of the Endocrinologist doctor's don't know this. I have spoken to them personally.

I used to have FBS 125 to 129 every day. I started to take a snack one hour before bed time, one or two brown bread slices with a cheese slice, I test after 8-10 hours of fasting now the FBS between 105 to 112.

For your information...

[ShooterGeorge in reply to Jaffy]

Thank you @Jaffy.