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Beyond sharing the latest research, we need to share what we experience daily, how we are responding and the outcome. Is anyone experiencing HIGH blood sugar while on a low carb diet? Over the past few months I watched my BS go above 200 all the way to 212 while on the same food - eating one meal a day and checking my BS before I eat my meal. I did a simple 3 day fast and returned back to my normal diet and BS has come down to the 100 - 110 range. Not happy but working on it. Footnote: I eat low carb - run/walk 7-13 miles per day - meditate - resistance train (micro sessions). I can go almost 24 hrs no food and still not get below 100.

Does anyone else track their BS daily and have a similar situation? I do suffer from orthostatic hypotension and constipation as I feel these are all connected via the autonomic nervous system.

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amykp profile image
amykp

check your monitor? Do you have a cgm? Really worth it if not!

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WhyRBD in reply toamykp

Yea. I agree CGM is the way to go.

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Charaf1959

Bonjour l'hypotension orthostatique pourrait un effet secondaire de médicaments

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chartist

It will be useful for you to add a bioavailable form of magnesium such as magnesium glycinate at an elemental dose that reaches the RDA for magnesium. This is usually 3 or 4 capsules depending on the brand you choose. This will help control your blood sugar and also have a protective effect on the kidneys which can be damaged by high glucose levels.

Vitamin K2M7 200 mcg ~ 400 mcg/day will be additive to the process of lowering elevated glucose levels.

The third common supplement to help with glucose control and likely the most potent is Berberine taken at 1500 mg day in three divided doses of 500 mg each.

Be sure and check with your doctor to make sure that all three will be compatible with all of your current medications.

Art

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WhyRBD in reply tochartist

Thanks Art. I am taking all three.

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gomelgo in reply tochartist

Art, what is your favorite brand of Berberine? And Bolt_Upright which one do you take?

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Bolt_Upright in reply togomelgo

I was getting my Berberine from Swanson, but they had ran out last time I tried to order. Looks like Swanson is back in stock: swansonvitamins.com/p/swans...

My last order was from Amazon: amazon.com/gp/product/B079G...

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gomelgo in reply toBolt_Upright

Sadly, it contains gelatin. But according to Art below, it doesn't seem to matter much. And you're taking 500mg 3x times/day?

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Bolt_Upright in reply togomelgo

So the Swanson ones are 400 mg per capsule, and I took 3 of those a day (2 in morning, 1 at night).

The Amazon ones (Nutricost) are 600 mg per capsule, so twice a day.

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chartist in reply togomelgo

I've used many brands to see if I noticed a difference, but I didn't. One brand I didn't like because their capsules tended to leak and that was pretty messy and I didn't care for the taste that was present from the powder which was all over the capsules.

Art

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gomelgo in reply tochartist

Which brand was that Art?

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chartist in reply togomelgo

This was the one that leaked powder from some capsules in my experience.

amazon.com/Berberine-Pharma...

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Nikkiheat2

Potassium deficiency is linked to diabetes, constipation and really many of the symptoms and biomarkers of PD, Diabetes - webmd.com/diabetes/potassiu..., PD - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

The most effective diet for diabetes based on research studies so far has actually been a high carb macrobiotic diet, but it also includes a lot of alkaline and potassium rich foods, nutritionfacts.org/blog/doe....

We're not whole grain fans, but we are trying to get more alkaline foods / potassium in our diets.

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WhyRBD in reply toNikkiheat2

Nikki. Thanks but I consume 3-5g potassium in my diet and supplementation. I sauna 5 plus days a week and supplement electrolytes just to ensure I am not deffecient.

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Eryl

Would this help? youtu.be/p5Dz4qW6h3o?si=1Ld...

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Steegen

In my understanding, high blood sugar and other problems would be expected from eating one meal a day long term, since the body isn't designed to eat like that every day. I was doing this for a while years ago and think I suffered health problems from it, it pushes the body too far in my opinion.

Prof Valter Longo has a lot more to say on the topic, if you google him. I like his advice since its a safer and not too extreme form of fasting (done periodically, not daily), that appears to still capture all the benefits.

Good luck.

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mitochondria

Hi WhyRBD

Thank you for sharing your experience and good to see many here on HU are trying OMAD/low carb/keto.

I have been on OMAD (with keto coffee) since 2019 and OMAD with strict keto since 2021 - inspired by Dr Matthew CL Phillips’ Parkinson’s randomized control trial. I haven’t been taking keto coffee or exogenous ketones like MCT oil in the last two years. And yes, I have tried multiday fasting as well.

Here is what I have noticed:

- Ketone and glucose levels may vary depending on the time of the day and time of previous meal/keto coffee/exercise/amount of protein, carb… I used to set aside a day for measurements multiple times early on, these days I measure once a day in the morning

- Right after exercise, I have noticed an increase in blood glucose levels but within an hour so, the glucose gets used up and levels return to normal

- The multiday fasting effect may continue for a few days somewhat on glucose/ketone numbers

- Here is the kicker - once you are keto adapted well (with fasting/OMAD/keto or a combination), your body runs on (and prefers) ketones - a high or even moderate carb meal can raise glucose levels high and it may take a couple of days for it to come down to previous levels. ‘Keto cycling’ - intentional carb addition with good carbs like berries are used by some especially before a workout; my OMAD is at dinner time so I have not ventured much into this.

Orthostatic hypotension and constipation may be an issue with low salt and magnesium intake - I start my day with quarter tsp pink salt in water and magnesium..

You can checkout Dr Matt’s metabolic therapy plan for guidance on salt and recipes.

metabolicneurologist.com/me...

Very best.

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MarionP in reply tomitochondria

"OMAD" what is OMAD?

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mitochondria in reply toMarionP

One Meal A Day

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WhyRBD in reply tomitochondria

thanks

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tomstuff in reply tomitochondria

mitochondria - Has the OMAD/Keto helped your progression do you think?

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WhyRBD in reply totomstuff

I can not say for certain, but the science says it should. Most of my issues have been variable while the OMAD has been consistent so the connection is not to strong.

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MarionP

So from picking apart the conversation, it seems the common element so far is one meal a day. What do doctors who pay attention to such things, like Annette Bosworth for example, say if anything about the effect of one meal a day on blood sugar and the consequent cycling between extremes someone has mentioned? As in, if some is good, more is better logical mistake. And maybe it's the cycling that's the problem, maybe one meal a day is pulling your system too many different ways too often. And then are there other factors that you have not mentioned, in your personal health picture, history, and medical picture that means that things could never be so straightforward as they seem to be in your initial post? Leaving things out of context or not putting things into context is the signal feature of the famous misdirecting/obfuscation process called "bait and switch." Happens all the time in medicine so it must be happening everywhere else. The great mystery constantly amused about my scientists and doctors from the 17th century to last week of why was Beethoven so badly deaf and so early and for so long, leaving out the catch-all inherited or genetic idea, was that he was chronically overdosed with lead poisoning which they put in the cheap wines back then and that he was completely addicted to...Somewhere last month or so was finally produced a strand of his hair and they analyzed the hair and found enough lead in that one hair strand to put in a bullet. He must have been carrying an extra pound of the stuff in his body at all times. And later in his life I think they were even giving it to him to help with the deafness or to help with some headaches or something. What about here in this case? Any possibilities?

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