Supplements and leukopenia (low white blood cell counts)

[Bolt_Upright]

So I got my annual physical blood test results and my WBC is low. 3.1 and should be between 3.6 and 10.3.

I immediately took a look at my supplements:

Nigella Sativa: I probably have 8 grams a day when I think I should be having 2 grams. I guess more is not always better: "Using NS significantly increased PLT count in the normal group. In addition, it significantly decreased WBC counts in the hypercholesterolemic group (P < 0.05). However, dietary use of NS did not have any effects on other hematologic factors including RBC, HTC, HGB, FIB, and F VII (P < 0.05)." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/a...

Saffron: "Crocin tablets did not change the above parameters except that it decreased amylase, mixed white blood cells and PTT in healthy volunteers after one month." (They used 20 mg crocins and I take 50 mg Saffron with 10% crocins) europepmc.org/article/PMC/3...

Those are the only two things I can find that might be causing this. I feel good, so I am not even sure that being slightly under the range is a bad thing.

I had read that more Nigella Sativa was not better, but had trouble finding a good recommended dose, so I went high. I think they were going 600 mg twice a day in the AIDS study. I think I will do some digging and cut that back. Maybe I will cut back. I do like chewing the stuff (it's an acquired taste).

[faridaro]

Based on some study, FLCCC recommends Nigella Sativa 40mg/kg body weight daily for covid prevention and I would assume this would be a safe dose.covid19criticalcare.com/cov...

[Bolt_Upright in reply to faridaro]

Thanks faridaro! So I weigh about 74 kg, 74*40 = 2,960 mg. About 3 grams. I've been taking between 7 and 8 grams.

This helps a lot. Thanks!

[faridaro in reply to Bolt_Upright]

You are very welcome, Bolt. I also have WBC hovering around 3, so I understand your concerns.

[JANVAN in reply to faridaro]

Hi Faridaro ! Thanks also for the response. Just still one question >>> For what does one use Nigella Sativa concerning Partkinon ?

[Bolt_Upright in reply to JANVAN]

Here is a study they are doing: The mechanistic role of thymoquinone in Parkinson's disease: focus on neuroprotection in pre-clinical studies 2021 healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

[Bolt_Upright in reply to Bolt_Upright]

In fact, read all the other posts in that thread too. Lots of good stuff.

[faridaro in reply to JANVAN]

I think Bolt answered your question. Here is another link you can look at:

discovermagazine.com/health...

However, as far as I know all research on Nigella Sativa was done on animal models.

Would love to see some human studies.

[LAJ12345]

The 600mg is of the oil perhaps? Are you eating the seeds? They talk about 5g of the seed.

[Bolt_Upright in reply to LAJ12345]

This study of the powder for Hashimotos used 2 grams of powder a day: healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

[Bolt_Upright in reply to LAJ12345]

Somewhere I saw an article where they explained how they ground the nigella sativa and made 600 mg capsules but I can't find it right now. I have a bunch of links to NS articles. I will sort this out during the football game tonight. Thanks!

[kaypeeoh]

I'm still working my way through the effects of NIR on mitochondria so this might be far-afield.

For the WBC thousands of test results are looked at to create a standard deviation. (SD) What was explained to us in vet med school is SD is a 'wobble', 3 SDs include 99.9 % of the numbers being looked at. So 3.1 is SLIGHTLY lower than the norm of 3.6, So it doesn't mean disease. It means a wobble. White counts bounce around constantly.

One reason for a low WBC could be a severe infection that is using up all the white blood cells in the blood stream. A big problem for us was parvovirus in dogs. A WBC of 0.5 meant a severe case. But during recovery the WBC could rocket to 30. A WBC of 30 might mean Leukemia if seen without context.

[Bolt_Upright in reply to kaypeeoh]

Thanks kaypeeoh! I am trying (and succeeding) to not over react. I did cut my Nigella Sativa in half, but that just got me in the area of what I think the proper dosage should be.

With your medical background, maybe you have a thought on this other idea of mine: Some think PD is an autoimmune disease. It may just be in my head, but some of the symptoms I believed I was experiencing were balance, getting dizzy when I stood up, and urinary urgency. Those are all gone in the last couple of weeks. And my sore shoulder is a lot better to.

So my thought is: What if the protocols I am doing are lowering my WBC AND THAT IS A GOOD THING? What if the lower WBC is a measurable part of something good that is happening?

It's kind of out there thinking. Thanks.

[kaypeeoh in reply to Bolt_Upright]

A low white count means less protection from bacterial, viral, fungal or neoplastic conditions. When my wife developed breast cancer her white count went to 1.0 during chemotherapy.

[Following_closely]

I had a similar lab result and my physician prescribed B12 for it. I can’t say for sure that the B12 was responsible but my values have been normal since.