Whether or not to get the COVID vaccine?

I’d appreciate any advice or experiences from others with Parkinson’s who have done this. I have a family member who is pressuring me to get it. I don’t want to for many reasons. What to do?

[Hidden]

Take the risk against virus from China. You already take it for flu.Odds in your favor?

[alexask in reply to Hidden]

Didn't work out for Marvin Hagler. I think that the efficacy of the vaccines may have been overstated and the risks understated. But the virus itself is pretty nasty. Ideally one would get an antibody test to see if you haven't already been exposed before getting the vaccine.

[MissRita in reply to alexask]

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FYI

[alexask in reply to MissRita]

Don't quite see why Tommy Hearns tweeted what he did. And the figures are not great in Israel: israelnationalnews.com/News...

[ge1shh in reply to alexask]

I looked at this article and it lost credibility for me when the researchers andctheir supporters started using terms such as 'the new holocaust' and linking the insistence on a vaccine passport being required for travel etc as akin to Nazi policies.

[ryzlot in reply to Hidden]

What is needed is a test for IMMUNITY - Those who have been exposed may be immune even though they had no symptoms.

JR

[Hidden in reply to ryzlot]

I was infected with the virus from China and had only mild reaction. I have received the first of two vaccine injections. I wondered if that was necessary.

[ryzlot in reply to Hidden]

Recovering from the virus should leave you IMMUNE - the vaccine shows little or no potential - AND it has dangers attached. WHY do you suspect all the Pharmas have been given liability immunity?

JR

[kaypeeoh]

Yippee, I have an appointment for Covid vaccination on Thursday at the Indian casino two miles from here.

[ryzlot in reply to kaypeeoh]

Indians and Blacks should get the "vaccine" first!

JR

[laglag in reply to kaypeeoh]

Do you live in Florida?

[kaypeeoh in reply to laglag]

Connecticut

[laglag in reply to kaypeeoh]

I visited Imoccoli, FL and there was an Indian casino there.

[ryzlot in reply to laglag]

Kids now play "Cowboys and Casino Owners"

JR

[MBAnderson]

Put "anti-vaccination evidence" in a Google search and see what you get.

The Lancet is the most prestigious medical journal on the planet.

thelancet.com/journals/land...

Keep in mind that most of the anti-VAXXERS are also Covid deniers.

[ryzlot in reply to MBAnderson]

GoooooGal is not a search engine - think YELLOW PAGES. A lot of their support comes from PHARMA!

JR

[MBAnderson in reply to ryzlot]

Magazine and newspaper articles and TV and video interviews are not evidence.

[ryzlot in reply to MBAnderson]

You can do it yourself - try the idiot search

[MBAnderson in reply to ryzlot]

No need to get snarky about it.

[ryzlot in reply to MBAnderson]

The link demonstrated that if you do a go-ga search for "idiot" it shows a photo of a US President - Go-ga offers what makes them money

[Trixiedee in reply to MBAnderson]

I very much believe that covid exists but know a few people who have suffered from vaccine damage. I have an arsenal of supplements for if/when I get covid. Most vaccinations people I know have still contracted covid.

[Feargaire]

Hi. I came across this interview by Dr Phillip McMillan with eminent vaccine expert Geert Vanden Bossche.

(LinkedIn profile detailing his résumé : linkedin.com/in/geertvanden...

Link to interview:

brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-p...

At about the 11 min mark he explains why he believes that mass vaccination with the current range of vaccines may have very serious implications, specifically in regard to immune escape

Finally, a leaked communication from Pfizer has revealed issues with the manufacturing process whereby, in essensce, the early batches of the mass produced vaccine bears dissimilarities with that used in early stage trials in that they had lower than expected levels of intact mRNA.

bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n627

Supporting the immune system with 500mg of Quercetin per day and zinc lozenge every second is an excellent prophylactic.

The Quercetin behaves as a Zinc ionophore (in the same fashion as hydrochloroquin) dragging it into the cell body to inhibit viral replication.

covid-19forum.org/index.php...

There are many ither preventative and treatment strategies. Ine fascinating and successful treatment involves nebulising hydrogen peroxide

articles.mercola.com/sites/...

Finally, vitamin D3 status is also critical. Be aware thay supplementation with D3 requires K2 and Magnesium. As bone repair is a.critical process in bone repair, the K2 acts as a.policing agent ensuring the calcitonin required for repair, reaches the bone and is not deposited in areas where it js not required. Magnetism too is critical, as it is required in the manufacture of calcitonin. If insufficient, it will be sequestered from other cellular sources

articles.mercola.com/sites/...

Quite a bit of info, but, in short you can mitigate the effects of viruses through supplementation and a nutritious diet

[slimweiss in reply to Feargaire]

I completely agree with you. And I’m not anti Covid - it’s real. The current “vaccines” aren’t vaccines at all as they do not meet any of the definitions medical or legal. It’s gene therapy. My understanding is that the one by Johnson and Johnson is much better. I’ve read (sorry can’t remember where) that the vaccine is a bad idea for someone with PD as their brain is already inflamed and taking the vaccine adds to the inflammation.

[Hidden in reply to slimweiss]

Thanks for the support. I’m running into opposition in my decision. Regarding the j and j vaccine, my daughter is a nurse and the doctor where she works says that isn’t a good idea, for pulmonary embolism is a possible side affect and it’s not 100%. I also read, I believe it was on this site that those with neurological issues should be wary of the so called vaccine.

[Smittybear7 in reply to Feargaire]

Totally agree

[bdphillips]

I got my first shot of Moderna about 2 weeks ago. I had a slight headache and was very tired for a couple of days which was no big deal. What did concern me was that my arm was weak and tremors were worse for a week or so. I did get the shot in the arm of my most affected side which probably was a mistake. I'll get the second shot on the other side.

[Nitro53]

Get the shot! It’s not a big deal. Been there, done that.🙂

[Goldencbc]

Got both Pfizer shots. I had a dull headache after 1st and 2nd. It seemed my PD symptoms were slightly worse for 2 weeks after the 2nd. I’m glad I got it. I feel like it will be safer to be with my daughter when she has her first baby in July in Texas. Call me a grateful grandmother to be.

[hmm777]

My son and I both got the J&J vaccine 8 days ago. My son is 22 and does not have PD, thank goodness. Since then we have both had trouble sleeping, persistent fatigue, brain fog, and flu-like symptoms -- aches & pains, etc. On top of the normal PD symptoms, this has been pretty debilitating for me, but (assuming these side effects eventually go away) it's still a no-brainer to get vaccinated, IMO. Better to endure a little passing discomfort and be protected against the truly dangerous potential symptoms of an actual covid infection. Just my $0.02.

[kaypeeoh in reply to hmm777]

"...trouble sleeping, persistent fatigue, brain fog, and flu-like symptoms -- aches & pains, etc. ". These are signs the body is reacting to the injection and building antibodies. I'd worry more for anyone who has no signs after the shot. They may not be producing antibodies. May just be producing fewer than others. The point is the antibodies go into 'storage' meaning they're out of the blood stream but if exposed again these antibodies go into hyperdrive, quickly pumping out massive amounts of antibodies.

[ion_ion in reply to hmm777]

After 8 days do you still have trouble with the side effects?

[hmm777 in reply to ion_ion]

Well, I'm still having trouble with something, but there is so much noise from the PD it's always hard to discern any other signal. The timing fits -- I have been notably worse since the injection, but as I said some of it could be seasonal allergies (just started where I live), extreme shifts in the weather (from bitter cold to nearly 80 F, then back to freezing, then back to warm), and two weeks of nearly constant overcast and rain. The fact that my son, who does not have PD but got the injection the same day, is also very under the weather, at least suggests that the vaccine is involved. I wish I could tell you definitely whether it was the vaccine, but I can't.

[DrewE]

There is a feeling of well being that comes from getting the Covid vaccination.

[JustJeff]

I had the Oxford jab several weeks ago absolutely no problems

[laglag]

I had the 1st Pfizer vaccine a week ago and had no problems and my husband didn't either.

[ion_ion]

I had my two shots of vaccine and I feel an Integrated Circuit was pasted into my brain and a software patch was loaded into it. In top of my head I feel a mouse moving which is remotely controlled by Mr. Gates. When I'm going to the fridge to pick a bottle of water the mouse is changing the action and instead I pick a bottle of whiskey and I drink it like water. After every bottle I feel I'm more controlled but after 5 bottles I just don't care no more and I allow myself to be dragged by the damn mouse like a cleaning rag.

The injection shots were kind uncomfortable but the whiskey bottle shots are really good!

Plus, I do not need to make any efforts to use my brain as the mouse is in charge.

Poor Mr. Gates!

No more PD symptoms! The IC surrounded by whiskey is producing a lot of dopamine.

[Despe]

A note from our CEO and President

Tomislav Mihaljevic, MD

The new guidelines for those who are fully vaccinated are a welcome sign. But they don’t mean that you can go back to how life was before the pandemic if you are vaccinated.

There are now fewer COVID-19 cases and more people vaccinated. Because of this, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued new guidance for those who've gotten their vaccine already.

These new guidelines are the first steps toward a return to normal. But it’s crucial that we follow the regulations and not cut corners. I know you are all eager to see friends and family, but we must remember that the pandemic is not over yet. It’s important that we continue to protect ourselves and those around us.

What do the new guidelines mean?



If you’re fully vaccinated, you can now visit in small household groups, indoors with others who are fully vaccinated without wearing face masks or maintaining physical distance. You may also gather with members from a single household who aren’t vaccinated — as long as no one in the household is considered high-risk.

You are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after you’ve received the second-dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, or at least two weeks after receiving the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine.



This means that grandparents who are fully vaccinated can now visit maskless, indoors with their low-risk, unvaccinated children or grandchildren who all live under the same roof.

Plus, if you’ve been vaccinated, you no longer need to quarantine and get tested after a known COVID-19 exposure, as long as you don’t have any symptoms. However, if you’re fully vaccinated and have been around someone who is sick, you should still get tested and stay away from others if you develop symptoms yourself.

Last, it’s important to note that these new guidelines are meant for private situations only. They don’t apply to work, school or other public settings. They also don’t apply to healthcare settings. Cleveland Clinic’s current masking policies and visitor restrictions remain in place.

If you’re fully vaccinated, you should still:

Continue wearing a face mask in public.

Avoid anyone who is high-risk and hasn’t been vaccinated yet.

Avoid medium and large-size gatherings.

Wear face masks and follow safety protocols when visiting with other unvaccinated people from multiple households.

Science is showing that COVID-19 may not spread as much among vaccinated people. However, it’s still early and there’s more to learn about how effective the vaccines are against the COVID-19 variants and whether or not the vaccines keep people from spreading the virus.

While things are slowly improving, I ask you to remain alert. If you’re fully vaccinated, please continue to protect those around you. Together, we can control the spread of COVID-19.

Thank you for your patience as we work to vaccinate our communities.

Tomislav Mihaljevic, MD

Tomislav Mihaljevic, MD

CEO and President

Cleveland Clinic

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Hope this email from Cleveland Clinic answers your questions. If you still have to wear masks and maintain social distancing, etc. etc., WHAT (VACCINE) IS GOOD FOR??? I hope there will be no serious side effects for those who have been "vaccinated." Real vaccines require a long time to be developed and tried on humans. No thank you, I won't take that risk. I am an adult and take all precautions that are required. Besides, we must acquire immunity!

[Parkinsonjisung in reply to Despe]

So vaccines tested on millions of people is not okay, but 4x recommended Dosage of ambroxol tested on 22ppl is OK? I love people's logic

[Despe in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

You compare apples with oranges.

[Despe in reply to Parkinsonjisung]

"So vaccines tested on millions of people is not okay,. . ."

When? How long?

[Feargaire in reply to Despe]

Anybody accepting any of the proffered 'vaccines' are willingly participating in a global experiment? Please tell me you leople are aware of this fact

[Feargaire in reply to Despe]

Shockingly misguided ninsense I am afraid as it is based purely on pseudo-science.

[CPT_Helen Partner]

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Can I draw your attention to these resources about Vaccination.

Thanks

[Despe in reply to CPT_Helen]

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[Somic67]

My personal opinion is that now covid-19 can be easily avoided with primary prevention that reinforce the entire immune system with a extended benefit (vit. C vit. D and zinc + alfalactoalbumine as an extra ); is easily cured with above vitamins, idrossiclorochine, cortisone, or other anti-inflammatory (pls do not consider this as a medical suggestion but consult a professional - es. ippocrateorg.org) while vaccines are still esperimental and sides effects are unknown and without a known effective cure.

[LeharLover62]

My hwp got the first Pfizer shot 2 days ago and no adverse effects so far.

Personally, I was worried about him being very difficult to treat if he got it as steroids bring on psychosis with his Parkinson’s. Also, he’s at risk of being hospitalized for something else (UTIs) and I think it could be very bad getting COVID at the same time in a weakened state, so the vaccine is a relief for us.

[asecondforever]

Pasting my comment from another thread...

I got the J&J vaccine Monday afternoon. That night I got some mild chills and body aches and didn't sleep well at all. Tuesday felt quite flu-like. Started to feel better that night. Wednesday basically back to normal. So about 24 hours of flu-like symptoms. Not bad.

[kaypeeoh]

I was a veterinarian in practice for 35 years in Wyoming. PD forced me to sell my practice. I saw what happens to unvaccinated dogs, cats and horses. It's a miserable painful death for most.

My wife had the Pfizer shot last week. No reactions at all. Right now she's sheet- rocking our garage. She's had cancer three times over the past 30 years. Her oncology doctor insisted she have the vaccine. My PD doc recommended I do the same. I'm heading over to the casino in a couple hours. It seems weird that a casino is the nearest place for me to get the vaccine.

I've had PD for 6 months more-or-less. I take Rytary and don't feel any PD signs other than a mild hand tremor. I'm hoping to find a job now that things are getting back to normal; Schools reopening, etc. We made a lot of money selling the practice so I don't need to work but I'm sick of being a couch potato.

For the vast majority a vaccine won't hurt or kill you. There are always out-liers and the internet puts them front-and-center creating fear. But vaccination has been around since the middle ages.

My two-cent advice: Stop being a whiny bitch and get the shot.

[Feargaire]

Couldn't agree more. It is always a.little questionable when such a proponent comes out in such a manor. And I must say, his reference to mRNA as marvelous weapons against a virus, is IMO, terribly misguided

[Ponieboy]

Its your choice, don't be pressured , draw your line in the sand.. I haven't had the vaccine and have to listen to my mother constantly berate me about it.. I told her I don't want the mRNA vac and I am waiting to see when they come out with a LAV version ( live attuned virus) something closer to the flu shot.. it got so bad I had to put her on ignore. It always comes to poor her and what will she do if I die. I told her people get the jab and still die , she doesn't want to hear that. Set your boundaries and stick to them. Its your choice...