Here is another point of view about physical issolation.

[bepo]

Follow the money with Fauci. He wants a vaccine. Scientists tried to find a vaccine for Sars covid 2 flu. They were terribly unsuccessful both with animal testing and human. Why would they be any more successful now? After doing much research, I believe Sweden has the right approach to Sars Covid 2. They did not shut down the economy. The health officials cautioned the public to be careful and responsible. I believe the only reason to shut down a country is to allow the hospitals and staff to be prepared with proper safety equipment, then open up the country. When you shut everyone away from public contact, you just delay the inevitable; the virus will return, and there will be more waves. Sweden is exposing a good part of the population all at once. Their schools are still open. I do not believe they will have a second wave. They did not lose their economy.

All those who have heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and other diseases, along with those who smoke, and those over 70, should quarantine themselves so as to not get the virus. A recent study from Stanford tested 3,300 patents to see how many had the virus. This is the first real study I am aware of. (Much of what has been reported by the CDC and Fauci, has been conjecture, not facts.) The Stanford study is based on facts, and found the number of infected people was way more than previously thought, and thus the percentage of the number of people who died to the number of infected, goes way down. This is a little worse than seasonal flu, and certainly, the contagion rate is much higher than seasonal flu. Protect yourself with Vitamin D, Vitamin C, zinc, cut down on processed carbohydrates and sugars.Stay well.

[park_bear]

I think Fauci is doing his honest best. That said you make an important point about coronavirus vaccines - previous attempts have failed due to overreaction to infection by the immune system. So we cannot take for granted that there will be a successful vaccine.

Sweden is not such a great example - they have among the worst death rate. The outstanding results as measured by low death rates came about from extensive testing and contact tracing in South Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam.

[bepo in reply to park_bear]

Sweden has the worst death rate.......for now. I don't believe their's will go up. They are getting it over why not destroying the economy. We will have about the same death rate, depending on how many vulnerable people we have, and so will other countries, once the virus comes back....again and again. Sweden will win in the long run. Fauci and Bill Gates are in partnership and promoting vaccines. I heard Bill Gates say he wants to reduce the population, and he can do it with vaccines. Look at TedTalks. There is a lot of credible information about the vaccines. Fauci knows they won't work.

[chartist in reply to bepo]

Belgium appears to be doing something very wrong as their death rate per million population is 560, but their total cases are only 42,797. The next closest to them is Spain at 474 per million, but Spain has 213,024 total cases or almost 5 times as many cases as Belgium. By comparison, Italy is at 423 per million with 189,973 total cases. Sweden has a total case count of 16,755 and deaths per million population at 200.

Art

[Gioc in reply to chartist]

Here in Italy the flu deaths, all attributed to covid19, have disappeared. The count should be made year on year and the differences do not seem so high for the first three months of the year. Imho in the end it will be France and the US to have the highest percentage of deaths.

[chartist in reply to Gioc]

Thank you for the moral booster, Gio!!! 😝😝😝

Art

[Gioc in reply to chartist]

well I thought of small differences not significant.😷

[chartist in reply to Gioc]

Well, that makes it so much better!!! 😷😷😷

Art

[bepo in reply to Gioc]

GhioCas, I have heard that Italy has had great success, where they have cured all those who went through the ozone/oxygen protocol. The protocol started out in 7 hospitals and then was expanded to 17. Do you know anything about that? This is a successful treatment that is hushed up. Why?

[Gioc in reply to bepo]

hi bepo, the ozone therapy trial is underway in various Italian hospitals but the results are not yet known.

[bepo in reply to Gioc]

Thanks. I had read that all who were treated with ozone survived. That was before 'official' trials.

[Gioc in reply to bepo]

Lol there is a mystery hole in the ozone trials.

Here is an article on one of the 12 hospitals that will do the ozone therapy trial in the way already used for tens of years.

abruzzoweb.it/contenuti/cor...

[bepo in reply to Gioc]

Thanks, Gio, I am unable to find my translator; I will still work on finding it.

[Gioc in reply to bepo]

I quote:

“CORONAVIRUS: OZONOTHERAPY IN ATRI, FREE TRIAL FROM THE ETHICS COMMITTEE

ATRI - "The first comforting data lead us to fully support the team of Dr. Enrico Marini: following the first results achieved with ozone therapies at the Covid Hospital in Atri the definitive go-ahead for experimentation by the ethics committee has arrived regional".

So the leader of the League in the Regional Council Pietro Quaresimale, in close contact with the Regional Councilor for Health, Nicoletta Verì, to follow the authorization process.

"From the beginning - explains Lent - I strongly believed in the experimental initiative of Dr. Enrico Marini, who updated me daily on the results of the experimental therapy. The feedback is excellent, we could not wish for better in the sense that a sensitive was found improvement of patients undergoing ozone therapy. This leads to a reasonable optimism about the effectiveness of the treatment, this constitutes a reason for more hope for those infected with the virus, even in the most severe forms. A method that has been recognized today and authorized and which, in addition to medicinal treatments, guarantees positive effects in the fight against the virus ".

"A heartfelt thanks therefore goes to all the staff of the Covid Hospital in Atri which confirms itself as regional excellence in the health field, including this experimental treatment, practiced in very few centers in Italy. I therefore represented the regional councilor for the need to support the unit of Atri for the restart of all healthcare activities that cannot wait any longer, also because of the excellent service rendered in favor of the entire area of ​​relevance ".

[bepo in reply to Gioc]

Thank you so much for posting that. Ozone cured 5 out of 5 patients with Ebola before the government in Sierra Leone, who originally asked the doctors to come, told them to leave. They didn't want to cure Ebola. Pharma got to them.

[bepo in reply to chartist]

For those of us who have worn masks, kept our distance, and most of all sequestered at home, have done the 'right thing'. However, we WILL see more waves, and in the meantime, it has ruined our economy. Sweden has more deaths right now. They, most likely, will not see additional waves, and will have built herd immunity. Their deaths are happening now. In the US, our pandemic readiness was cancelled by Trump. We were not ready. Under the circumstances, we had to hunker down so the hospitals and support staff could be prepared. Now, we have destroyed our economy, and will be experiencing new waves of the virus. My son had 3 restaurants. The third one he just recently opened. He has debt that he will never be able to repay, and has not received a stimulus check. I believe he is out of businesses that he has worked so hard to improve for 18 years. He is not alone.

[Enidah]

Sweden is just a little larger than California and has only about 2 million more people than New York City. There is no real comparison here at all. If this country tried to do what you're talkin about we wouldn't even have room for all the dead bodies. We'd have to wade through them to get our mail.

[bepo in reply to Enidah]

We had to lock down immediately, because we weren't prepared with hospitals and important equipment and personnel. We can open up now. The study from Stanford by a very qualified professor, John Ieannidis, who completed the first study of 3,300 people. It's available on YouTube.

[Hikoi in reply to bepo]

Trouble is you left it too late to lock down. Thats why 50, 000 people have died in about 6 weeks.

[bepo in reply to Hikoi]

We, as a nation, were unprepared. Initially, we could not have handled all the cases.

[Despe in reply to bepo]

Another Greek-American brilliant scientist. Bepo, let me make a small correction, it's IOANNIDIS.

Husband had his first OZONE (10-pass) therapy, medical colonics with ozone at the end of the cleansing (rectum ozone) and two additional knee ozone injections. At the end of the day, I couldn't believe his OVERALL improvement, from energy, to initiative, to driving, to cognition. This was the first session of eight (as his FM physician recommended). Can't wait for his second and subsequent ones.

PS. He took 1/2 t Sinemet with two MP (Now) this morning and didn't have another dose till 7:30 tonight. Physician told us to taper off that, but it just happened without doing it deliberately!

[bepo in reply to Despe]

Absolutely fantastic!

[rescuema in reply to Despe]

Awesome! We’ll be waiting for your detailed post with your keen observations after the treatments!

[bepo in reply to Despe]

Thanks. You're right on the spelling.

[bepo in reply to Enidah]

The main difference is that for all those countries that locked down, the new waves are coming, with more deaths. Sweden is paying for it now. Research it.

[alexask]

I agree that the economy can't be closed permanently. Every one should wear masks in stores and on public transport. Croatia did this albeit with a lockdown. A vaccine could be years, and not everyone would take it.

[Hikoi in reply to alexask]

Masks for what reason? For protection if we dont have the disease or to limit spread if we do.?

[alexask in reply to Hikoi]

Mostly to limit asymptomatic spread.

twitter.com/Rohithrio15/sta...

[bepo in reply to alexask]

Everyone who is not elderly or compromised, needs to be exposed without masks, and go about their business as they did before the order to shelter in place.

[bepo in reply to alexask]

The Sars2 vaccine is useless and actually killed people. Don't hold your breath on a vaccine. This was man made.

[bepo in reply to alexask]

They could make the vaccine mandatory. That is what Gates and Fauci want. Research it!

[WinnieThePoo]

Sweden ( a large land mass with a population of only 10 m) reported 131 new deaths today - 13 per million - about double most European countries - and apparantly steadily rising.

Fauci's approach is pretty much universal for all developped countries who were too late implementing test and trace (ie not like Germany or South Korea)

Spain, Italy, France, China, New York have all to a degree tested and seen the benefits of lockdown . Italy and Spain experienced the health service overload which failing to lockdown would have made worse. All those countries hope for a vaccine / and or a cure to provide the final way out. All will almost certainly ease their lockdowns once the potential overloading of the health service is under control.

The total death rates compared with previous years show it is worse than seasonal flu. Your proposed remedies are untested -a Trump style hunch (albeit not in the same league as drinking bleach) and it is other peoples lives you are cavalierly gambling on your hunch

[bepo in reply to WinnieThePoo]

It's not my hunch. I am not an expert, by any means. I research a lot and pass on info to this group I think would be helpful. Look up RobertRowenMd on YouTube. He has many posts on ozone therapy.