The Epoch Times exposé posted by Parkie13 a couple days ago has proven accurate in its theme about the likely Wuhan lab origins of the SARS-CoV2 virus currently tormenting the planet (despite the somewhat confusing "men made" caption of the post). The Epoch Times documentary revolved around the lax safety and management standards in force during the lab's ongoing bioresearch of the Horseshoe Bat derived coronavirus. A pivotal player in the video, Shi Zhengli, also plays a starring role in this latest Washington Post article. In reference to the recently deleted Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) cables, the article reveals concerns expressed by lab personnel about the SARS-like coronaviruses' ability to interact with ACE2, the human receptor catalyst of our current pandemic:
"The cables argued that the United States should give the Wuhan lab further support, mainly because its research on bat coronaviruses was important but also dangerous.
"As the cable noted, the U.S. visitors met with Shi Zhengli, the head of the research project, who had been publishing studies related to bat coronaviruses for many years. In November 2017, just before the U.S. officials’ visit, Shi’s team had published research showing that horseshoe bats they had collected from a cave in Yunnan province were very likely from the same bat population that spawned the SARS coronavirus in 2003.
“As many have pointed out, there is no evidence that the virus now plaguing the world was engineered; scientists largely agree it came from animals. But that is not the same as saying it didn’t come from the lab.” Source: washingtonpost.com/opinions...
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hoy! hoy! Houston we have a problem ... The covid-19 has returned to being the Wuhan virus. The next episode of the soap opera will be on the question: "why has the WHO delayed declaring the pandemic". Ask the bank of China and Xi jpg that is the largest capitalist on the planet. Capitalism and communism are the same thing, they play to the "Empire", that is "owning everything", old stuff that turns you into a stone, even underneath of the animal kingdom.
Dig a bit deeper, the mainstream media will have you believe it was not engineered. It's out there ! There is nothing naturally occurring about this 'virus. I implore you to look deeper
Does it make a difference and if it does, what do we do about it now? Scientists who are more in the know than I can ever hope to be, can not even agree one way or the other, so if they can't figure it out, how can I ever hope to? Assuming that I knew if it were man made or not, what can I do about the whole situation other than look for remedies to try and stay alive at this point?
You are right, it is the fact that unfortunately people are lied to, just everyday common folk like us, just trying to do our best and live a respectable life, giving respect and in return hopefully receiving it back.
There is a small cabal of people in this world who don't share these beliefs and work more for themselves. Who will manipulate things to occur (such as this covid19 ) scenario, and we are the ones effected, thru absolutely no fault of our own. We have to say goodbye to those we love and watch those we care about suffer.
I don't agree with the aforementioned cause of this virus, the Chinese people have been living like this for a very long time and I have no doubt it's from the conditions they must endure on a day to day basis. But to eat a bat and then the virus increases and months later on the whole world is dying from it.
It just screams red herring to me and I hate the fact everyone is being taken to be so dumb..... let's face it if we are on this forum don't we already have enough going on within our lives?
I hear you, Aaron and it frustrates me more than a little bit. I wish there was something I could do to make a bad situation like this better for others, but I have never seen anything comparable to this in my life and it just leaves me feeling really frustrated! I spend my time trying to think of different options, but these are fairly limited right now and every option seems to have its own drawbacks. I think it is human nature to feel a need to blame someone or something for the situation that this virus has put us in, but for me that seems pointless now and so I keep searching for anything that might help.
Art - regarding remedies, check out this 30 minute video. Dr Horowitz is a physician specializing in Lyme treatments. He’s using similar protocols for C-19.
Be thankful you aren't a resident of Wuhan where you might be either "disappeared" or ashes in an urn by now (like Dr. Li Wenliang, one of the brave souls who tried to warn of the outbreak early on):
Respectfully, Art, it does make a difference. What is the need to eat snakes, pangolins and cockroaches (yes, cockroaches) when the Chinese have boatloads of food to consume and export?
Next time you try to buy a vegetable like garlic or mushrooms or onions, look up the country of origin. It is always China. I find it insulting to be forced to purchase garlic from China in San Jose which is just a few miles from Gilroy, the garlic capital of America!
Gilroy, that brings back memories! The garlic odor was so strong, I always wondered how people were able to live with it! I mean it was so strong your clothes, car and house had to have that smell 24/7! I guess you get a little immune to it when you live it everyday.
pdpatient, I understand what you are saying. Myself, I don't know the actual cause of the disease and I don't want to point fingers at anyone without having the truth that I am sure is the truth. Cultural differences are differences for sure, but if I was brought up believing that bats and pangolins are something of a delicacy, then I might be eating them now! There are a lot of cultural differences around the world. Even here in the states. People eat things that other people cringe at. Snakes and alligators might be two examples. People brought up eating snake or alligator think it is perfectly normal and delicious while others may be very opposed to the idea. I am nobody to sit in judgement of these differences and I always have to realize that people in other parts of the world may think we have odd practices, at least to them.
I was reading an article today that was essentially blaming Obama and Trump because they would not list Pangolins as an endangered species. I guess the implication was that had they done so the Chinese would not let their people eat them and this virus would have never occurred. That seems like a pretty extreme idea to me, but that probably tends to support the idea that people feel a strong need to blame someone or thing when things go wrong and the "wronger" they go the greater the need to blame. I didn't even know what a pangolin was until this pandemic!
I have to move forward and at the same time realize that there will always be things that I simply can not change as much as I might want to. I can't change that this virus is now out there in the world doing a lot of damage and taking lives as though they are nothing, but I can continue to look for ideas that might make things better in some small way, so that is what I will try and do.
It's growing increasingly likely that, through lax safety protocols at the Wuhan Institute of Virology P4 lab, the bat-bourn virus was transmitted to the lab worker, ("Patient Zero") who "later infected her boyfriend, who then went to the wet market in Wuhan, where it then began to spread.”
The Chinese government is an authoritarian government, very corrupt like others, which means a lot of privileges and a lot of money for few in power. They don't have banks, but they have the bank of China. They will do anything to keep this power. But what is the consequence for the Chinese people? An oppressed people is an unmotivated people and will do what it has always done: passive resistance which translates into neglect and irresponsibility. What happened in Wuhan at all levels is the demonstration and in my opinion it is only the point of the iceberg. Only Doctor Li Wenliang had the courage to report and was silenced and then he paid with his life. We are fortunate that it is only Sars-cov-2 could have been something much worse. Neglect is not a casual fact, it is related to motivation. Before we had Chernobyl now Wuhan, could the next be an H bomb?
In this video of Italian state television there are already questions about the Wuhan laboratory: is it not risky to work with certain viruses? (year 2015 only in Italian) youtu.be/911VcuQhyfk
Leonardo is a news broadcast of scientific information from the Italian state television. in this episode they discuss this experiment by the Wuhan laboratories on the real possibility of creating modified coronavirus that can attack humans since 2015, called a chimera. Obviously it is not the current covid-2 virus and none of these viruses have ever escaped from this laboratory of scientists from the Chinese government, very serious and well-motivated people as everyone says. Maybe.
ohi ohi in Berlin they realized that Cina is not a democracy. IMO It was enough to go around the Chinese quarter and knock on one door to understand it.
A beautiful reply to Xi Jinping from the director of Bild to a request for apology from the Chinese government.
EXCELLENT news piece, Gio! I agree - that is indeed a beautiful reply to Xi Jinping.
As you probably realize, we have an important election in the USA later this year. The incumbent president DJT will soon face off with an unfortunate dolt (Joe Biden) who can hope only to serve his prospective term as a ventriloquist's dummy (he himself is no longer capable of forming coherent thought/speech).
Together with our increasingly frantic socialist-democrat minions within the US, there are numerous countries who resent DJT and his "America First" agenda - they would sooner bow to the CCP than concede a second term to DJT. They, of course, prefer that DJT be replaced by the ventriloquist's dummy.
Except for their deranged (and futile) hope of blaming DJT for the pandemic that presently plagues the world, condemnation of China's catastrophic negligence and a righteous demand for accountability and reparation would be universal.
Bild is a trash tabloid newspaper that relies on sensationalism and very often lies to sell newspapers. Their opinions should be taken with a grain of salt
So, because you dislike das Bild, you believe the CCP is completely innocent of any negligence in the wake of the Wuhan outbreak… maybe Trump did it(?).
I found this article really enlightening, as to the possible origin of the Covid virus. I do think lots of truths in it. Echoing some of my own thoughts. However now it is a world wide Pandemic causing death to so many people, apart from learning how to prevent something like this ever happens, we need to cope in the present.
Isolating with my husband who has PD and living in London, we have settled into a similar routine, going out for a daily 40 minute walk away from people, luckily we live near a forest. He has improved in mobility as we focus on the walk and lovely environment( no shopping). 💐🌻🌳🌳. We ve constructed a garden swing chair, karchered the patio. Tidied and cleaned out cupboards and drawers - not usually activities.
Another piece of information I heard from a doctor speaking on the news, yesterday is that one possibility ethnic and minority groups in our country, a third of all deaths, from Covid 19, maybe due to the fact they are more susceptible to diabetes and heart disease. Another reason, is the fact that they could also be lacking in Vitamin D, due to their skin being more pigmented and diet differences.
I ve been taking vit D for a long time due to having Melanoma 5 years ago and my husband because of PD.
Keeping positive and hopeful we will see our family and friends soon.
I believe no amount of evidence even from disinterested, credible sources will cause a person to change their fixed belief so long as that evidence does not conform to what they choose to believe.
Who to believe?
My own opinion; I don’t really care. I have more immediate concerns to worry about. Normally, I would go ahead and change the behavior of the Chinese government, but I'm busy this weekend.
If someone offers links to nonpolitical, non-sensationalistic, independent scientific journals that explains why/how they know it was made in a lab, I’ll believe it, but until then Director of the NIH.GOV says no
“No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature. Scientists took conspiracy theories about SARS-CoV-2’s origins seriously, and debunked them.”
The point is distraction. If you can refocus Americans (nobody else cares) on just blaming China for everything, it saves having to grow up and accept responsibility for the number of USA deaths compared with Korea.
35000 us deaths so far, but that's ok because the Chinese are to blame. Al Qaeda are suffering badly with an inferiority complex at the moment compared with the Trump administration
So. It might have escaped from a lab, but probably not. One day it would be good to know. But right now it makes no difference whatever to either a global or national response and serves primarily to deflect attention from the atrocious response of the US federal government
But, it is not just the Chinese who are to blame. Yesterday it was the World Health Organization, before that it was the Democrats, then Obama, and let's not forget the media -- so much of it is their fault.
I detect a tongue in a cheek. As a true communist let me draw attention to the population of China Whilst I am sure their figures are understated, and indeed deliberately so, i doubt by enough to vindicate Con and his prejudices.
. (Or dare i say, South Korea).
The sad thing,as i know you appreciate is "it ain't over yet". I see just this morning the US deaths are 35000. That they are that low is a credit to state governors like Cuomo, and not idiotic comments like "it will go away in April"
Really. In his sights? I can't imagine either of us is bothered by the rants of the big Con (or as we say here in France, "le grand con")
It was the little microbe i had in mind when I said "stay safe"
Whilst Le grand con is no doubt confident that he can protect himself from all comers with the stash of semi-automatic weapons your 2nd amendment specifically gave him the right to, i fear sars-cov2, in addition to not following @realDonaldTrump , listening to Fox news, or reading le grand cons rambling tirades in this forum, it can dodge bullets too.
It's truly heartwarming to discover that - even from the carnage of a brutal pandemic - an impassioned bro-mance can spring forth into full bloom. It may be time, however, to take it off the forum page (i.e., get a room).
Both men are dealing with personal situations that involve close family members dealing with Covid-19 and its aftermath including death in the case of Winnie.
Please get a heart. Especially with a name like PDConcience!!
In France we have the Nobel Luc Montagner prize which says that the virus was created in the laboratory. Readily denied by other illustrious colleagues, but also very disparaged in my opinion in this article. Just for the record.
You're right, this guy is well tuned in. Fauci's big pharma pedigree and inclinations to await a vaccine and FDA-cleared drug trials is starting to get in the way of more practical, more immediate solutions. His approach poses a health threat to both the individual and society (esp. the economy) at large. Fortunately his and Birx' voices are becoming faint murmurs in the ongoing chorus.
I'm a bit confused, MBA, this indicates at least a modicum of objective thought... or at least some capacity for it. Perhaps some hope remains...
Don't get your hope is up too soon. I thought I read somewhere, perhaps here, that some countries are using high dose vitamin C IV administered with some success?
While the guy says some things that are true, he is nonetheless a screwball, i.e., a conspiracy theorist -- and like all screwballs, conspiracy theorist, health gurus, and all types of gurus, they all espouse a kernel of truth, but then they all need to keep adding layers (to ensure we all know they are original thinkers) until gobbledygook is falling out of their mouth.
But, he has already started attacking the states,via tweet, for not moving fast enough and he has begun expressing support and solidarity with anti-isolation protesters in Michigan.
I hereby predict that today will be recorded as the 1st day of a new pandemic -- a pandemic of chaos.
If you get a chance, watch Gov. Cuomo's briefing today on YouTube. I think you'll agree that from here on out chaos will reign supreme.
Germany's contagion ratio was announced today as being .7, that is, for every person who is contagious, they are infecting .7 others, so Germany now has it under control ------ and we in the US are about to lose total control.
The only relevant way to keep score is how does each country do relative to every other country, that is, which country had the fewest deaths per capita.
My 2nd prediction of the day is, the US will come in stone cold last. With all our wealth and technology, we will demonstrate ourselves to be the least competent (developed) country on earth.
I of course recognize the incredibly daunting challenge posed when struggling to distinguish fact from fiction for you and others similarly compromised by a rabid distain for DJT. I also recognize that this challenge can escalate into a full-blown traumatic experience when facts - once revealed and irrefutable - collide with pre-existing biases among the comrades. Nevertheless, in a final stab at steering you clear of the clutches of the dreaded CCP's 'useful idiot' contingent (sadly it's too late for Illustrious Comrade Poo 🇨🇳), I invite you to apply 10-15 minutes of your attention span (or what may yet be salvaged of it) on the clip below:
*You'll be rewarded 'extra credit' points you can stretch it through the segment on Joe Biden - the DNC's version of presidential material (try to imagine a guy who struggles to compose a coherent sentence negotiating America's trade and geopolitical interests with China, Russia, NoKo, Iran...).
Why does it matter what an "acclaimed anthropologist's" opinion is? Watters even said what he offered is his opinion.
So Fox brings on someone that has an opinion? Why do you take up my time with opinions? In the future, I prefer that you provide actual, real evidence.
I don't doubt that China lied and downplayed the severity of the problem, but so did the government of UK and US and a few others. It's been documented that Trump has told 16,000 + lies since being office. That's what governments do, they cover up their own negligence.
Trump is launching an anti-China drumbeat now so that we're in hostilities, near election time so that he can look strongly and powerfully.
I'm sure you watched his press briefing yesterday? Do you think he should wear goggles when he has somebody spray on his suntanning potion? He looks like a raccoon.
If the virus did escape accidentally what's to be done about that? Punish China?
Fine with me, keeping in mind they hold two thirds of US debt and could collapse our economy anytime they want to call in those chips.
I agree with you about Joe Biden. He's a couple years away from being in assisted living.
"The US shipped millions of masks to China earlier this year, despite warnings from experts that a pandemic was about to hit."
I see the tantrum toddler has arrived at his destination of consequences for China. Quite what consequences he thinks he could unilaterally impose i doubt he has troubled to think about. So we're back to nuking Beijing. He's a scary toddler.
At some point he risks provoking the Chinese into using their"nuclear" option and dumping their holding of US treasuries. He knows that risk, so like in the trade wars it will probably be mostly talk
Yes. Sorry. It's hard for a non-US citizen to understand this bizarre system of government. I can't think of any other country with anything similar. Every other country i am aware of has a national government which takes responsibility. The US system seems hopelessly shambolic in the face of such a crisis.
I fear you are right. It may be not just the virus that kills Americans. This is a very stressful environment. In a recent poll 96% of UK citizens support the lockdown. Looks a bit more divided in the USA. When the president starts supporting civil disobedience by gun toting alt-right protest groups, how far are you from civil war? Or at least a serious collapse of law and order, riots, looting, and widespread gun battles?
If it was a Hollywood movie you would walk out as too unbelievable...☹️
(even the dullest, most pliable dupes will be unable to close eyes/ears tight enough to stifle the mega dose of REALITY about to come their way in days/weeks ahead)
Typical gaslighting response. Saying nothing new but invalidating my intellectual capacity. This forum deserves better. I recommend you apply yourself to Twitter.
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