Are there any VEGANS out there who have Pd?

[JohnPepper]

In a previous post I asked about vegetarians, but did not know the difference between the two. I will stop responding to the other post and concentrate on this one.

To date, there was only one person mentioned, who died many years ago, who was a.true vegan, but he was in his late 90s, so it did not do him too much harm.

I am keen to know if there is a chance that animal food products are the much sought after cause of Pd.

I will now no longer respond to the pevious mis-worded post and concentrate on this one.

If you are a vegetarian and eat animal products, like dairy, eggs or fish, then please don't respond. Not that I am not interested, but it is apparently obvious that there are lots of vegetarians out there who don't eat meat, but do eat other animal products.

John

[Norton1]

Hello John

Thank you for re:posting the question. Just in case anybody 'out there' is considering 'going vegan' there is a superb DVD titled 'forks over knives' featuring Dr. Colin T. Campbell and a top heart surgeon Dr. Esslestyne. Both grew up on farms and now highlight the effect that some foods have a deleterious affect on health. Both, now eat plant foods and eliminated animal products entirely from their diets and appear in good health in their early 80's.

If you have a cholesterol problem you may want to consider a plant food diet instead of taking statins because this food regime is supposedly effective and probably will save the necessity of heart surgery. For the record, President Bill Clinton has adopted a plant eating regime under the guidance of Dr. Esslestyne; you will recall that Bill Clinton was well known for eating 'fast foods'and underwent two major heart surgeries, before changing over.

For those of us with PD and suffer with constipation, the good news is that plant foods are higher in fibre than meat and fish so it is claimed improves elimination problems.

Regards

Norton

[JohnPepper in reply to Norton1]

Hello Norton. How or where can I get hold of this DVD?

John

[Norton1 in reply to JohnPepper]

John

I bought my DVD through Amazon.co.uk. Obviously, different countries have to be aware of their region. BTW, there is also a book out of the same title which is quite good and includes some recipes, but the DVD was much better.

Regards

Norton

[JohnPepper in reply to Norton1]

Thanks Norton. I don't think of Amazon, but am still working in the dark-ages, going to book shops and video stores.

I'll get onto it ASAP.

John

[HealthSeeker7 in reply to JohnPepper]

Hello JohnPepper and Norton,

You can watch 'Food Matters' and some other free content before March 31st here: FMTV.com

I believe you can also buy a copy of the DVD from this link.

[JohnPepper in reply to HealthSeeker7]

Hi HealthSeeker7. I tried but the link is broken,

John

[HealthSeeker7 in reply to JohnPepper]

Please try again at fmtv.com/ - I edited it after realising the original link I gave was broken.

[HealthSeeker7 in reply to JohnPepper]

Here's the direct link to the movie - fmtv.com/food-matters

[Norton1 in reply to HealthSeeker7]

Hello HealthSeeker7

I well remember your husband's story under another topic some months ago. I recall it was quite heartening and would ask if you would consider transferring it to this thread for all to see again?

Kind regards

Norton

[Suntea in reply to JohnPepper]

Forks over Knives is on netflix. netflix.com/title/70185045

Netflix has other such videos, like: What the Health at netflix.com/title/80174177

I was diagnosed with PD a year ago, with symptoms for at least 10 years. I am currently on no Rx.

I started eating vegan or whole food plant based (WFPB) a month ago. I have a green smoothie for breakfast, and while I eat grains (bread) I have no meat/fish/dairy and try to limit the prepackaged foods to 1-2 meals a week (like "Amy's Pad Thai" yum!)

The plant fiber has helped with elimination. And I no longer have stomach distress or bloating. And my joints don't ache as much. And I'm not as foggy.

And while I don't know how much WFPB helps PD - I'm confidant it's helping with my overall health.

If you are looking to eat vegan or WFPB - google "Dr. Greger". He has numerous youtube videos and a website: NutritionFacts.org.

Here's a good starting point: nutritionfacts.org/topics/p...

and nutritionfacts.org/video/dr...

and he has a book "How not to Die". and if eating vegan he says to supplement B12 and D.

nutritionfacts.org/topics/v...

nutritionfacts.org/video/pr...

nutritionfacts.org/topics/v...

parkinson specific:

nutritionfacts.org/?fwp_sea...

and "treating PD with diet"

youtu.be/fBwU4ElBJxU(Not working as expected?)

[Hikoi]

John

This is an interesting topic but i must respond to your comment about Herbert Shelton in particular you wrote regarding his Parkinsons "...... but he was in his late 90s, so it did not do him too much harm."!!

In fact he died at 90 and endured marked suffering in his seventies and eighties. His treating doctor wrote

..... he died of Parkinson's disease and was so severely affected by the age of 78 that even walking was difficult. In 1973 when I met him he was already severely hunched over and had a difficult time walking and caring for himself. Though he lived many years with this significant disability, the quality of his later years was extremely poor.

[Norton1]

Hello Hikoi

Yes, you are right about Herbert Shelton's later life being of poor quality. One doctor who attended him, a doctor Joel Furhman drew blood from him for analysis and found virtually zero DHA which is an important nutrient. So,it looks like nutritional deficiencies may also be connected with Parkinson's in addition to toxins. This may explain why 'Parkinson's' has so many 'symptoms' which any of us PwP only has some of them which differ from person to person. That is why I dislike the all encompassing term 'Parkinson's Disease' and prefer to call it a syndrome. In fact, I recall that at least one of our members has had a degree of 'success' with nutrients, but what works for some does not work with others, such is the complexity of the syndrome that we refer to as Parkinson's'.

Regards

Norton

[JohnPepper in reply to Norton1]

Hi Norton and Hikoi. It feels like I am talking to two scientists, who live on another planet. Beam me in Scotty!

What is DHA short for?

John

[Norton1 in reply to JohnPepper]

Hello John

DHA stands for docosahexaenoic acid (you asked).

There are both vegan and carnivore sources. Anybody interested, should access the Internet as there is too much info to write here.

Regards

Norton

[JohnPepper in reply to Norton1]

Thanks Norton. I will make a note of this, but don't ask me to pronounce it.

John

[Annieartist]

Ketotarian by dr Will Cole is really interesting and combines an almost vegan diet with a ketogenic diet