Homeopathy cure the CLL by decreasing WBC count? Anybody have the experience in homeopathy treatment?. Now my mothe treatedby one homoeopath

[Surya1979]

Homeopathy Treatment cure the CLL?

[Kokobean]

There wasn’t much information to go on here, but my husband tried some homeopathic treatments about six months prior to treatment. We weren’t happy with our doctor and we had a window of time before treatment became critical. We went all in as we felt we might as well . He did benefit from a better diet and eliminating certain food groups, but in the end needed ibrutinib which has been a life changer.

We don’t regret trying that route as we did benefit, but I don’t think we needed to go to the expense. Changing his diet and good quality supplements would have sufficed. Best Wishes.🙏

[GMa27]

I tried for a year. Met with a doctor from India who came to the USA. Recommended from my acupuncturist. It stabilized my WBC for 5 months but then failed. I didn't regret trying. Was a few years from treatment during W&W. Acupuncture treatments continue to help keep my immune system healthy and helped during my chemo. But there is no diet or treatment outside of traditional meds-chemo/ trials that will help reach remission or hopefully a cure one day. 💕

[livinglifewell in reply to GMa27]

I get acupuncture frequently and it balances me and mitigates side effects. I think it is amazing. I've been active with it for several years and with a healthy diet and exercise - you've got overall improved quality of life. The only time I use homeopathic remedy is arnica montana cream on sore muscles.

[AussieNeil Partner Administrator]

Homeopathy is a pseudoscientific system of alternative medicine. It won't cure CLL:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeo... What is actually offered under what is termed homeopathy might improve your mother's health, but you can arguably get the same benefits by just looking at recognised ways of improving your health, such as exercise and diet. Again, they won't cure CLL, but can improve quality of life. Exercise in particular provides huge benefits: healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo...

Update 18th March 2022, from BMJ Evidence-Based Medicine Assessing the magnitude of reporting bias in trials of homeopathy: a cross-sectional study and meta-analysis

ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2...

Conclusions Registration of published trials was infrequent, many registered trials were not published and primary outcomes were often altered or changed. This likely affects the validity of the body of evidence of homeopathic literature and may overestimate the true treatment effect of homeopathic remedies.

Neil

[Jm954 Administrator]

Homeopathy is under scrutiny in UK, and not for good reasons.

bbc.co.uk/news/health-50207231

Jackie

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most if not all homeopathic medicines are the 'precursors' to modern drugs today. It's what our ancestors used prior to modern medicine.

However even if an old plant/rock/animal/organism showed to have 'some activity' in certain areas they were not 'strong enough' to get the effects one needs today.

[AussieNeil Partner Administrator in reply to Hidden]

Per the BBC article referenced above by Jackie and as explained in Wikipedia, "Homeopathy is based on the concept that diluting a version of a substance that causes illness has healing properties.

So pollen or grass could be used to create a homeopathic hay-fever remedy.

One part of the substance is mixed with 99 parts of water or alcohol, and this is repeated six times in a "6c" formulation or 30 times in a "30c" formulation."

I agree that what is sold in chemist/drug shops is as you describe. Sometimes homeopathic 'medicines' also include a drug known to be effective for the condition for which the homeopathic medicine is sold, in which case you'd be better off buying an over the counter full strength version of what's been included in the homeopathic product.

Neither will cure CLL.

This news item puts homoeopathy into perspective: gizmodo.com/a-man-overdosed...

Neil

[Motoli in reply to Hidden]

AussieNeil is absolutely unscientific. For example, the number of dilutions used leads products to not meeting Avogadro's number (high school chemistry). Homeopathy is to medicine to what Trump University was to education. Be careful with with quack doctors and con pharmacies. I would rather see a vet than a homeopathic doctor.

[Motoli in reply to Motoli]

I mean to say that AussieNeil is absolutely right, and that homeopathy is unscientific.

My apologies. The message left before I could edit it!!

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[mrsjsmith]

I did see a Homeopath many years ago ( that was in the days when I was trying a number of things like aromatherapy and reflexology ) I felt worse after seeing him and was concerned about what I was being given, but I do hold my 🤚 hands up and I still swear by Arnica pills and cream. Works for me in bringing out painful bruises quickly.

Colette

[livinglifewell in reply to mrsjsmith]

arnica montana really does work. It's reliably good at what it is supposed to do.

[GMa27 in reply to livinglifewell]

I use it after procedures, bruises etc. Helped me heal my broken foot so much faster. I use pellete and lotion forms.

[Miller1960 in reply to livinglifewell]

Just a comment about the arnica, I had heard that arnica was a blood thinner and not good if you were on Ibrutinib.

I bruise easily and used arnica before I started Ibrutinib. Can I have other's thoughts on this.

Chris

[mrsjsmith in reply to Miller1960]

Chris,

Interesting comment and it did cross my mind. I don’t use for those mysterious bruises that we get with Ibrutinib and think how did that happen, but the two times in the past year when I fell badly ! So hopefully my rare use should have no effect.

Seeing my Consultant tomorrow and will see if they have an opinion, but not holding my breath.

Colette

[livinglifewell in reply to Miller1960]

I do use the arnica montana for bruises with good effect. I've been on ibrutinib for six or seven years now and get acupuncture weekly which sometimes leaves bruises from the needle placements. The arnica montana helps the bruises dissolve faster. I also use the arnica montana for my myalgia and arthralgia also side effects from the ibrutinib. I also use cannabis for the pain.

[Miller1960 in reply to livinglifewell]

Good to know.I had to stop acupuncture due to my bruises not healing.Do you think it could help to petechiae I get on my face?🙉

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Organic whole non-processed foods (always a good option) in combination with key nutritional supplements can be beneficial in extending the CLL watch and wait time period. Once the CLL progresses to the point of requiring treatment some foods and many supplements must then be reduced or eliminated entirely due to potential conflicts with the prescribed treatment. Most of the CLL pharmacological treatments require a non-conflicted P-450 enzyme function for the best assimilation and response, which some foods and supplements can jeopardize. Another primary reason some foods and supplements must be reduced or eliminated is that many CLL pharmacological treatments can exhibit strong anticoagulant and anti-platelet factors which, when combined with certain foods and supplements, can either negate or amplify the the effect of of the pharmaceutical(s) and thereby render the patient vulnerable to many potentially dangerous adverse reaction events. If it all appears too restrictive, you must always consider the alternative...

[Justmoi]

Homeopathy has long been ridiculed by conventional medicine but it can do no harm because it contains such extreme dilutions. One can show that the remedy contains approximately zero molecules of the supposedly curative remedy, so the remedy cannot harm you. That means there is nothing to lose except the money you pay for treatment.

It might work. I have had good results from homeopathic “magic pills” in the past. I have no hesitation in taking a homeopathic remedy and I am trying one now. It is certainly doing me no harm, and it may be doing some good.

I watch with interest the emerging field of nano-medicine which is moving closer to homeopathy. We live in interesting times.

[AussieNeil Partner Administrator in reply to Justmoi]

There is the potential harm of not treating a condition for which your body does need medicinal help and where the placebo effect is not sufficient.

'A homeopathic pharmacy may have 3000 or so bottles, all identical, with no trace of the ingredient on the label. If it were not for special loopholes in the law, that would be as illegal as selling whisky with no alcohol. It isn't as though MPs aren't aware of this. The then Health Minister, Mike O'Brien – when asked by the Parliamentary Science and technology Committee if he had ". . . any credible evidence that homeopathy works beyond the placebo effect?", answered: ". . . the straight answer is no".'

independent.co.uk/voices/co...

Neil

[SeymourB in reply to Justmoi]

A problem in the U.S. is that homeopathic remedies are not regulated, and not legally required to be inspected for quality in some states. This has led to at least one case of contaminated product:

arstechnica.com/science/201...

We tend to assume that products are safe - without evidence. What consumer can test things themselves? Product testing has greatly advanced civilization, in my opinion, at some small expense of bureaucracy. Innovation has necessarily been slowed to prevent the easy acceleration of hucksterism.

There is also the appeal to nature fallacy, which assumes that anything that nature creates is inherently good and harmless.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appea...

Does this include known natural pathogens in products, such as bacteria, fungi, and viruses, rat feces, insect parts, as well as natural poisons, such as arsenic and lead? People who would hesitate to eat non-organic food often quickly consume organic and non-organic contaminants in their natural products.

Finally, due to lack of regulation, many remedies sold by homeopathic companies are not actually homeopathic at all. They may include herbs, minerals, and chemical factory made vitamins. I think that homeopathy in the U.S. has become a way to evade regulation, jack up prices, and attract desperate customers and those who fear chemical names and the U.S. Medical Industrial Complex.

In all jurisdictions where Caveat Emptor prevails, I prefer systematic, government sanctioned inspection, along with inspection and auditing of the inspectors themselves, and so on.

[GMa27 in reply to Justmoi]

I have used it for over 18 years along with herbs. Amazing!

[Big_Dee]

Hello Surya1979

It does not look like homeopathic treatments are working to well on coronavirus. I tried several things right after I was first diagnosed with CLL to slow down progression, if any thing it might have speeded it up. Best solution is eat healthy and moderate exercise to prepare for if or when medical treatment is required.

[Surya1979]

Thanku Big_Dee