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Starving Cancer with Methionine Restriction -

Starving Cancer with Methionine Restriction -

Hello,

This short video explains that cancers require Methionine to grow. Methionine is an Essential Amino Acid that only comes from food. It is in the highest amount in fish, chicken , meat and Dairy. It is not in as high amounts in non animal product foods.

Thoughts? Nutritionfacts.org is an amazing web site. He is very clear with articles to back up his claims.

nutritionfacts.org/video/st...

This might be why vegan diets seem to help some people with CLL. I know someone who brought her WBC down from 150K to 50K over 6 months with a Vegan low sugar raw food diet ( it is a very tough diet). I am only Vegan...

Be well,

Hoffy

Half Dome in Yosemite Park ( CA) shown below

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Hoffy, The following study of serum selenium (trace mineral) of which selenomethionine is one of two serum selenium, shows that those CLL patients studied had less serum selenium than normal.

"We believe that unless all these aspects of selenium metabolism in CLL patients are clearly sorted out, incorporation of selenium supplementation into an overall therapeutic strategy would not be warranted. The findings of the study are in accordance with observations made in CLL, it shows a tendency for serum selenium levels be decreased with progression of the disease, and that selenium levels in patients with early disease stages were not significantly different from the values observed in controls."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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Interesting. I started eating Brazil nuts and that brought up my selenium levels nicely. I am not sure if that is the same thing this article is referring to though.

Thanks ,

Hoffy

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Before I started treatment I tried Vegan for awhile and it was the hardest thing I ever did. But I had more energy and I felt really good. I like meat too much to give it up. 😎

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Must be the Texas thing !

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I'm from California. Was born and raised in San Diego. Loved meat back then too. I think some people just can't live without out... 😎

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Absolutely. I just seem to need it and always have. Woe is me! Years ago when everyone was onto the slow burning porridge and fruit for breakfast, I had to stuff in an egg in order to function. And I mean that seriously.

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There are so very many potentially promising treatments out there, but so often they look good in the test tube, but don't work in the body. We are also continually learning that every cancer is different and more importantly CLL varies so much from person to person. Perhaps this might help some of us, but I always look for additional evidence specific to CLL before getting too excited. What CLLady has found does unfortunately put a dampener on this possible option.

Hoffy, several times you have mentioned this person who saw a large reduction in her WBC, most likely her lymphocyte count i.e. CLL cells. What we don't know is where those CLL cells went. Did they die, or did they preferentially move into the nodes, spleen and bone marrow? How is this person going now?

It would be interesting to see how a group of us did on this tough diet, but I remain skeptical. At least it can be a healthy diet, provided we take supplements most of us get from meat. Some of us shouldn't go raw vegan however, if we are neutropenic.

Neil

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Good points. This woman is doing well. She eventually went on a clinical trial with imbruvica plus gazyva. Her mother had CLL and unfortunately died from an infection from the chemotherapy. As a result she wanted to avoid chemotherapy and waited as long as she could with the diet until a trial opened.

I no her node’s eventually got large. I will have to ask her if her nodes went down with the diet or not .

Be well,

Hoffy

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I've used Brazil nuts to help with oxidative stress (antioxidant production), thyroid and immune system since before 2012. Selenium is seemingly necessary for many critical "garbage collection" and metabolic systems.

I look at selenium levels being abnormal as an indicator of something amiss. My two cents.

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Great. I started eat the Brazil nuts and it went up nicely. I’ve been trying to take vitamin D pills to bring up my vitamin D level but that has not happened too easily. I am still sitting between 31 and 36 on the scale done in the US .

Be well,

Hoffy

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Just get some sun, vitamin D naturally, assuming you don't have any problems utilizing UV to convert the cholesterol in your skin. Damage to your skin can be decreased or prevented with sodium ascorbate (Mg, etc..) applied topically AFTER exposure to reduce effects and to recover. There are quite a few other references, I pulled out a few quotes for those that don't have time to read the entire paper, just now.

Vitamin C-

"With a metal ion, it forms a mineral ascorbate"... (I.e. Sodium or magnesium)

..."does not absorb UV light but exerts an UV-protective effect by neutralizing free radicals, while this effect is not seen with sunscreens"...

...."inhibits NFkB, which is responsible for the activation of a number of pro-inflammatory cytokines such as TNF-alfa, IL1, IL6 and IL8.[2,3] "...

... "is largely safe to use on a daily basis for long durations."

..."is best used after exposure to UV light and not prior."

"Once applied, Vit. C cannot be fully washed or wiped off the skin."

(I was wrong in stating it lasts 4 days, that is the half life):

..."The half-life in the skin after achieving maximum concentration is 4 days. A persistent reservoir of Vit. C is important for adequate photoprotection, and can be achieved by regular 8-hourly applications."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

(Other adjuncts can increase bioavailability or time to optimal absorption levels i.e. Vitamin E, liposomes, etc... at a neutral pH.)

Cheers!

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How do you get it ? Or do you make it from vitamin C.?

Sounds good ,

Hoffy

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Not all of us process vitamin D from the sun. I'm in Southern California and get plenty of sun. Hoffy, it took two years to get my vitamin D level into a healthy, stable range. Initially it took very large doses to get it to move at all. Then I went down to a maintenance dose. During that time my level was checked every three months, both to see if things were moving in the right direction and to make sure that I didn't end up too high. I am now checked every 6 months. All of my ologists follow my count, so I get poked once and pass the results around.

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What was your high dose? What is your dose now ?

Thanks ,

Hoffy

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I'm supposed to be helping repair a "leaky gut" with grass fed protein and make broth with their bones, cartilage and marrow. Which veggies should I use for that? Just kidding!

I know veggies have all kinds of protein and amino acids, unfortunately carbs, legumes and fiber not the best for IBS.

It's all a bit overwhelming because it seems that just about every-single-thing, is good for one but bad for another :-(

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Thanks Holly, I am a huge Dr. Greger fan. We eat from his new cookbook. I have been a vegan since dx. May 2016. No changes in my low number, WBC 1,300. Actually dropped. At dx. it was 1,700. I have not felt this healthy since I was 45 yrs old. Dropped 25 lbs. without dieting. Thanks for the video.

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Great. I think your WBC is down from 17,000 to 13,000.

In general plant products are beneficial animal products are not.

Be well,

Hoffy.

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Some doctors I know recommended a little some on torso. Like 5 mins only. I tried it but it did not help.

I will try high dose vitamin D.

Hoffy

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I buy the NutriBiotic Sodium Ascorbate 1lb

Think I got the last bottle from Amazon.

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thanks!

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