Over medication!

Excuse me I am in a very reflective mood. My father died last weekend. He was 95. I cared for him for 12 years fetching a huge bag of tablets from the doctors every month. He was on tablets for heart failure, chronic kidney disease, statins (of course) then tablets such as quinine for cramps etc etc. To dad'sgeneration doctor was god you never questioned anything. But he eventually died of liver cancer! Do you think all the drugs that was thrown at the poor liver to metabolise affected it like alcohol would? But he did live until a ripe old age!

I found the doctors zoom in on the one presenting problem (only have ten minutes) prescribe another tablet which then gets on repeat prescription.

When I studied the heart years ago I remember a lovely clause 'web of causation' . The author was stating the risk factors for heart disease. High cholesterol was only one factor. Obesity, smoking, diabetes, genetics. The more of these you have the higher the risk. As we know cholesterol is more complicated now but what I'm saying is perhaps don't fixate just on one thing. Look at the whole picture. Reflection over!

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  • They might be symptoms too, not causes. We don't advise people with diabetes to stop drinking water, thankfully, yet diabetes is associated with drinking more water of course.

    Cholesterol sceptics claim that low cholesterol levels are associated with cancer, but we seldom get told that.

    Statins lower cholesterol by impairing liver function, so too much of such medications obviously won't be helpful.

    That said, since the pharmaceutical industry is going to focus on medication that boosts their profits, let's stop the blame game and focus on what will make us healthier

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  • I'm so sorry to hear of your loss.

  • Thank you. I don't personally blame the drug companies. Expect they need to make money in order to fund research. But think it is better that we challenge and question when we see how out of date the research is. At the end of the day we are responsible for our own health. Spring is here a bit of warmth on our bones works wonders! Perhaps one day!!! Lol

  • Oh I'm so sorry for you loss😢I can only imagine how you feel. Yes your right. Both parents have hcol. Im not overweight. Do have alot of stress. Now have to get my white blood cells checked as they keep dropping😕

    Thanks for your imput☺

  • ....btw...we are getting ready for winter over here😊😊😆

  • I recall a Doctor here in Australia railing against medical expenditure . I forget the exact figures - but he claimed that a HUGE % of funding like maybe 90% is spent on the last 3 months of life. I had a 90+ year old mother-in-law who was always being sent "for tests". 95 year olds don't die of disease - they die of old age!!!! I also had an 85 YO aunt in the US who died after her THIRD triple bypass!!!!!! And I have friends in their 60's/70's who are on multiple drugs . Most people are not adult enough to come to terms with their own mortality.

  • Actually quite hard to come to terms with one's own mortality.

  • Yes - too true! So the earlier we start to think about it, consider it and come to terms with it, the better. It's like waiting for a bus - we know that it's coming but we don't know when it will arrive. We need to be ready for it when it does arrive and not be surprised by an early arrival and we can get on board!! :)

  • Yeah but in England three buses come at once so I' d rather catch the last one if that alright!! Lol

  • I totally agree about 'web of causation' maybe including psychological ones.

    Diet - Need to consider not only on what not to eat but also cholesterol reducing foods.

    Exercise - doctors fail in my experience adequately to stress the importance of.

    Aim - best quality of life possible. I find taking statin does not enhance my wellbeing.

    Motto - take advice widely, filter same and, most importantly, see what works for you in practice.

    PS We do apparently need cholesterol for neurological and other functions.

  • I understand where you are coming from Bazza. Think medical profession is in a 'no win' situation though. They are accused of ageism if these tests aren't offered. My father was yes 95 but until the last six months life was very sweet still. He had his tomato seeds all ready for this years crop. We didn't have any tests performed this last six months as the writing was on the wall. But was really surprised when he became severely jaundiced without pain. Once again it wasn't investigated dad wasn't well enough. I really believe there shouldn't be an age when treatment is denied it should be judged on an individual basis. But I agree common sense should prevail. Totally agree ohpilip up to us in the end.

  • It must be really frustrating for doctors that spend over six years in training to find that most of the people they treat contribute little to the taxes and National Insurance that pays their salary. Must be time to put up the pension age again. Any money that is saved can go to salary increases of politicians and such thoughtful people that when paid to do a job put the responsibility back on the public.

    Meanwhile, I hear that civilisations like Okinawa, where people respected their elders, had long, healthy lives.

    I'm sure it must have been an inconvenience to keep feeding the slaves of ancient Egypt too.

  • PS Some theorists say the population will plateau at 10 billion. When we've exceeded that, well we'll be dead and it'll be someone else's problem.

    My point is, what work is being done about reducing the birth end of the spectrum? That would be far too unpopular, in fact we still find it necessary to fund fertility treatment.

    Another question is how effective is the treatment given to the elderly? The pharmaceutical industry seem to make a healthy profit from it.

    On the food front, the food industry seems reluctant to change the status quo. Advising people to lower their cholesterol by lowering fat consumption results in greater carb consumption. Carbs are cheap, and highly versatile in terms of 'added value' processing. The fact that this short term profit has a negative impact on long term health and health costs is glossed over.

  • sadly the pill makers spend millions on research and then pass the cost to the patient , when they come off licence the PCT's instantly insist on generic brands as they are pounds cheaper . Often to the detriment of the poor patient , when you cannot tolerate the cheap and nasty copies the poor Dr's insist they are exactly the same , but even when they state the same constituents they do not do the same job .... Sometimes we have to have the branded product even if it costs more ....

  • I am very fortunate I don't need any Meds at the moment. i have managed to control my health problems by trying alternative methods with varying degrees of success. For instance my rheumatoid factor is always raised but I don't suffer with R.A. But conscious of the inflammatory nature of RA add Turmeric to my omelettes (favourite lunch at mo) plus have root ginger juiced up with other things a few days a week. I'm not saying it works but I'm hoping it keeps it at bay. Generic tabs do make sense logically for the money strapped NHS. We all know branded goods are so much more expensive but quality not always better. But I do know people who think the same as you so who am I to say different. Thank you for your input.

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