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Day 70 - The Jagged Reef

Jalanutan
Jalanutan
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Over two months now, and believing I was heading into the deeper blue ocean towards the dawn of a bright future, I now encounter a reef which I need to circumvent. And to continue the metaphor; hitherto, there’ve been rocks, boulders, undulating terrane, clinging sand and weed, as well as the odd shark that I’ve had to negotiate; yet, here is this barrier.

Certainly not an impenetrable barrier, though one that deserves my respect, nonetheless. Notwithstanding circumstances, there are many variables involved in recovery, such as attitude, perseverance and time. One of the main players for me, was the recent hip replacement. I say was, since I cannot continue to use this reason for the negative factors I feel.

As many of you know, post-surgery is beset with all manner of different living conditions; pain, limited mobility, infection and mood swings et cetera. And during all this, I contend with abstinence. Oh, yes, the wound did become infected, so I attributed some of the lethargy, frustration and melancholy to this cause. Though now it’s mostly healed, and I don’t need a cane any longer either. Yesterday, I was able to drive again, safely and confidently; however, despite these obvious improvements, I’m greatly fatigued.

Now, I’m not just talking about a little slothfulness or lack of motivation, as I’ve been feeling fatigued to the point of non-function and I actually began to think along the lines of, “If it’s this bad, I might as well drink and be done with it”. Yes, I know, totally off the wall, but at that point I remembered the impact of ‘Post-Acute Withdrawal’ (PAW) on recovery.

In as much as we don’t know what we don’t know, I’m certainly glad I was told about this ‘potential’ problem. PAW doesn’t affect everyone of course, and I haven’t experienced it before either, whether from alcohol withdrawal or from any ‘other’ drug. It’s about chemical changes in our brain due to addiction and the time needed for those changes to be reversed. There’s a relevant article at ‘Psychologytoday.com’, type ‘Detoxing after Detox’ in the search box to access it, definitely a good read and being forewarned is forearmed.

I did buy that no alcohol beer again, though I’ll give you the drum, it does contain alcohol, approx. 0.04%. Now, that’s nothing really, isn’t it! Though it could be ‘the thin edge of the wedge’, so be aware. Moreover, on the bottle it said, ‘Zero-alcohol 0.0%’, ha, then in small print, ‘can contain 0.041% alcohol. Unbelievable, but I decided to check it out for myself with my portable breath-tester. Yep, after one ‘stubby’ my breath registered 0.04%. I was really ticked, angry, I don’t even like beeeer!

You know, I’ve tried to give an accurate account, and this post may seem a little on the negative side, though I hasten to say, what good would it do to always give a rosy, unrealistic view! How would that help anyone, let alone me! On the plus side, I’ve continued to lose weight, approx. 8kg now and my lung function is the best. Also, I now know the fatigue will slowly ease and not to be disheartened.

Knowledge can be a powerful tool, and I’ve no doubt there will be other hinderances along this journey, though right now I have a schematic of this reef before me and I’m confident I can negotiate it without injury.

As always, thank you for your support and encouragement

Cya next time

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Ofeckman

FRANK SINATRA LYRICS: It's quarter to three, There's no one in the place except you and me So set 'em' up Joe I got a little story I think you should know We're drinking my friend, to the end Of a ...

Feck it I'm off to bed instead. Stay💪

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ThreeSmiles

So you should be...

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Ofeckman

Says you @ 04:51 hrs.💤

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ShropshireLass2019

Funny! Just love SOH this morning ! 👍

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
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Tryin' :-)

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ThreeSmiles

Aren’t we all 😀👍

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Jalanutan

For sure! :-)

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Jalanutan

Actually, I can be 'very' trying at times, go figure!!! :-)

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ThreeSmiles

I figured already 😀

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Jalanutan

You are a smarty pants lol :-)

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ThreeSmiles

Hi jal jay limer

You’ve made it - well done for the 70 Up!

I can see - not difficult - how tough things are for you at the moment. But I think it’s great you can visualise things in the way you are - that blurry reef - get on your wind surfer and fly into the air over it. You know you can. Get in your car and drive to Perth. You know you can. Well..... ummm ....maybe not but you get the gist - sort of.... My imagination and literary skills are cr*p - sorry!!

But I’m certain that the fact that you can come on here and talk so openly and honestly about what you are going through means that you will succeed - I hope so.

PS don’t mention alcohol free beer on here - last time it was mentioned there was nearly a riot on the forum! It was great fun 😀 but not to be repeated methinks ....but you know me am I joking or not.... 😀😀😀😀😀

Good continuing luck me ol’ fruit 👍👍👍

Miles

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ShropshireLass2019

I see the postage stamp's not working for you either..... sorry, only joking !

Although great whitty reply Milo so you get one of these 👍

🙂

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ThreeSmiles

Well, like you, I’ve been up for a couple of hours so brain starting, just, to get into gear.... thanks 😀.

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ShropshireLass2019

It's so sad when we cannot sleep right through!

My sofa's becoming my second bed these days as I cannot read on my ipad in bed for waking Derek up 👎 I'm now back at the gym to get fit for Christmas 😂😂😂

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Ofeckman

Sofa surfing again. 🌊🤳

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ShropshireLass2019

Of course Ofeck.... I'm practicing for my sofa charity race through the streets of Manhatton !!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 joking........ I wsh

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Jalanutan

thx Miles, hey, Perth's not bad actually.

Of course I understand much of anything I've posted to date has been hashed over at least once on this site, most likely numerous times. Still, I'm just voicing my own view, my own unique perception and is it's not meant as a generalisation by any means.

If I've offended any members sensibilities, it was never intended.

I appreciate your giving 'me' the drum on this mate :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

You've not offended little old me!👩‍⚖️

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Jalanutan

Pleased to hear that :-)

Still, I'm bound to offend or upend someone, generally happens, it's usually my humour...

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ShropshireLass2019

Good Morning Jalanutan

Firstly may I say that I was never blessed with the powers of writing the way you are, but I would purchase a book of yours should you decide to write as I throughly understood and enjoyed reading every word of your indepth message!

Secondly, congratulations on your success of being able to drive a car again which as we all know can open up many avenues for each coming day ahead!

Thirdly, I was a little shocked to read about the none alcoholic drink situation, but I guess like most advertising packages, reading the small print is a MUST which I do now and then! I've noticed that the worst culprits for hiding hidden ingredients etc under headings such as Fat Free , No Alcohol and No Sugar are the most popular brands which we all know are more costly.

Anyway now that I've babbled on when I shouldn't have, I just wanted to thank you for your message and to wish you well! I now look forward to reading your next update

Love Trish 💚

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Jalanutan

Hey, thx for your kind words and I'll mail you a first edition for sure :-) True, I've actually begun a novel...

Tell you what, having relied on 'public transport' (PT) for the last four plus weeks, I can honestly say that it's the time spent waiting for the next or connection bus is what irks me the most. Is the rail system similar or better? Whoever says we should rely on PT more...well, I'm just sayin' is all...

Re the no alco beer... I reckon it's the brewers fault here. In oz, the legal alco limit for driving is 0.05%, so these no-alco products are just under that. Again, in oz, they make it sooo difficult to cut back on the booze, since they give a sizeable discount for say 3cans of bourbon'n'cola as distinct from two cans and of course, we all want to save the dosh.

Appreciate your support :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

Well the suspense is killing me, is your book of crime, a thriller maybe, comedy even, or maybe an historical biography of some kind. I'm guessing it's not going to be romantic novel but

which ever it is I await with bated breath !

Trish x

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Jalanutan

Ummm, ok, if you really want to know, it began as a 'how to' non-fiction in regard to self-employment (boring). Another 'almost' ready for publication is my autobiography; yet, I can't seem to reach the end...I wonder why!!!

I do like spy-type novels, but 'bated' breath aside, I wouldn't hold my breath. Just kidding :-)

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CocoChannel

Sounds like you’re doing OK, JU, at least with the booze. You’re going to get those urges, but surely these are weaker than 70 days ago?

We’ve done “alcohol free” beer here a few times. Fair to say it divides opinion. If you’re unsure (or don’t like beer), steer clear. I, along with a few others on this site, drink a 0.05% beer two or three times a week. Orange juice and bread contain more alcohol. As a former beer drinker (lots of), there’s zero connection for me between this beer-flavoured water which I can take or leave and the real beer which I developed a dependency to. The brand of alco-free beer I prefer also has only 4.3g of sugar per bottle.

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Jalanutan

Yes, doin ok on the abstinence front and the urges are much reduced. Though it's the psych stuff that's prob atm.

Re the no alco products. I'm only giving my own unique perspective as it applies to me alone and do not judge anyone on what or what not they do in that regard.

If I liked beer, then I guess I'd be doin' the low alco stuff too.

Anyway, whatever :-)

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CocoChannel

Well, you did pick a tricky time to give up with the hip op, but any time is good.

With your Hunter S Thompson style (the writing, not the other stuff hopefully), this would be a book worth reading!

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Jalanutan

I had to Coco, not only was the stuff killing me, I wanted to be in better shape 'for' the op as well.

What exacerbated everything was a move into a new neighbourhood where the locals are up at sparrow fart, like 3-4am, watch TV all day and hit the cot by 6.30. I mean, I rarely watch the box, preferring to listen to quality hifi, and at times loud. So, I got them all complaining, didn't I!!! In my opinion, they're all waiting for God and I'm inclined to give them a nudge in that direction...direct them the the local church that is.

Ok, ok, I'm just showing my disdain for the 'old young', whom, apart from their aged mentality, seem to be quite mobile...when they want to be, that is.

And how can I make the above claim; well, apart from my daily walks and jaunts to the beach, I've been stuck in my digs convalescing, able to observe the goings on of those around...

Alright, I'm over it... I've not read Thomo, and no, not the other stuff, though I've had a few interesting experiences which are definitely not the norm ;-)

Apologies in advance if I have offended anyone by the above outburst. I'll no doubt hear about it if I have eh!

I'll add you to my list of those who'll be mailed a first ed. :-)

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joeburger

These alcohol free drinks are scary. I was told by the substance abuse doctor that I am not to have them because of the minimal trace of alcohol and probably to prevent me from getting the taste of wine again. Also told not to have any food containing alcohol because it is not totally reduced in the cooking, this proves very difficult when eating out, imagine asking does this lasagne contain red wine I'm a recovering alcoholic. Has anybody else been told this ?

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Filistines

Sympathies Joe. Eating out is altogether a nightmare. I rarely do it anymore. The joy of being with friends and family is wiped out for me, not just for difficulty about alcohol in food. But all the usual suspects that go with eating.

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briccolone

one of the worst things I find....

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Filistines

...nuff said! :-)

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ThreeSmiles

Hi joe

Now you are definitely going to start the debate off about alc free thingies.

I have to say I am not a fan of alcohol free drinks - not because I have anything against them - gor me it’s anything that has the word alcohol in it - strange or odd but...

Same for me with food...oh dear!

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Filistines

yes about food. Curry has been mentioned a few times lately. I have to remember why not to have one. It's tricky when memory isn't all that sharp?

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
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Y not? Curry lactulose - ( loose) & a Coffee diuretic. 🚿

One, flush & your washed out, drained of the poison in no time at all. 🏃🐎💦🍑🚽💨🙄

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Filistines
Filistines
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Ok for you to say. Not so great on a crowded bus 🚌

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Ofeckman

Fight club, toxic. Absolutely, but why do they insist in calling it non alcoholic? Hate that term, no disrespect.

In Spain EuroSpar's own label is branded non alcoholic @ 0.5% ffs, now that's toxic. I had to saunter on down to another Super Mercado to find zero.

I do makeusof occasionally & appreciate it's a personal choice, but one doesn't stop breathing because the air we breath is toxic. Fuming!?

With Bated breath. 🤔

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Filistines

Thanks for the update on your epic journey Jalanutan. It may be different for a surfer, but in my own experience it all comes down to taking the tide at the time that works, not at the time my will to sail is strong. I'm tempted to recklessness often because I forget it doesn't work out. Sitting on the shore, whittling the driftwood relics of others' journeys, I think I'm wasting time and wonder if it's all pointless and I should chuck it in. But it is this time that allows me to see the chart again and learn how to take the tide when the time is right.

PS I love Miles' talk of riots about low alc beer, and I love how he doesn't remember he is often in the middle of riots...:-)

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ThreeSmiles

Moi?

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ThreeSmiles

Wow filly that’s very fillisophical.....

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Nice

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Excuse the page breaks.

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Miles

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Filistines

Twerp! :-) (I hope that's not rude, it's supposed to be affectionate...:-)

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ThreeSmiles

Well - but I don’t get offended

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Easily

And yes I know I trying your . patience 😀

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Jalanutan

Very witty :-)

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Filistines

..and frankly, often starts them...

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ThreeSmiles

Now that filly can’t possibly be true. 😂

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Filistines

And neither do bears.... :-)

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ThreeSmiles

Now you’re talking riddles like feckle.....I’m lost......😕

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Filistines

You wouldn't be Miles if you weren't lost.

It's like this:

Bears do a certain something in the woods, for certain.

And you start riots. For certain.

You said it can't possibly be true. I say it can't possibly NOT be true. H E L P M E someone! :-)

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ThreeSmiles

You’re beyond help filly

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😀

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
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Just Riddle em! That'll wipe the smiles. Three strikes & he's out. 🤔

They don't like it up 'em! - Corporal Jones. 😜

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Ofeckman

Whoosh, - Besides having to get up early to...... Riddles seem the only way to do it. 😜

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
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Bears do do? 😜

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
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No, 'riots'... :-)

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Jalanutan

Thx Fili. I've mostly been a bit impulsive and gotten myself in strife for it. I hear you though, and if I would be so bold as to say, that you are still there, on the shore, watching and waiting.

In the end, what others achieve or fail to achieve will not impact on your journey. You will know when it's 'your' time and it will be the 'right' time...for you!

I don't know Miles well enough yet, though I get the sense you're all mostly pretty good mates! :-)

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Filistines

I believe Miles is a Master of being able to laugh at himself and anyone else who enjoys a great way to get by at times. It’s a way to use this space that doesn’t suit everyone but nothing ever does suit everyone. Variety is 👌 👍

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Jalanutan

Yeah, I get that. It certainly doesn't pay to take yourself too seriously, and where would we be without humour?

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Filistines

up the creek without a paddle? :-)

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Jalanutan

And I was worried I didn't have both oars in the water lol :-)

I'm laughing at myself here, not you Fili, a joke is all, no offence intended :-)

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Filistines

It's like magic to me, laughing with people here who understand what we cry about. And who'll cry with us if we let them or feel the need to.

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Jalanutan

It's pretty special alright! What amazes me, is that such relationships can be fostered online, like this...with people who are half a world distant, crazy man...

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Filistines

Maybe that's what makes it possible..no expectations...no being who friends and family expect you to be.. just being. And you don't even have to wipe the marmite off yer face after breakfast because no one's looking. Are they?

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CocoChannel

Vegemite 🙂

I brought 2 jars back from Sydney last year (presents) only to see it on sale in Waitrose.

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ThreeSmiles

Lmao 😀

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Filistines

That's so funny. Bad luck! I love marmite. Just had some on an orange! Many years ago an old Sgt Major told me how on the boat bringing them home as former POW's in Japan, they were each given Marmite (Vit B12) and told it would help heal their sores of malnutrition. One poor lad misunderstood and thought it was a kind of ointment....

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Jalanutan

Hahaha, it probably worked too...I never liked vegemite, too salty, but cashews dipped in Promite, now that's a tingly, taste-bud sensation... These days, I prefer 'Mightymite', able to leap jagged reefs in a single bound ROFL :-)

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
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4got to say, Marmite plus Orange...I'm going to try that...really out there sister :-)

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Filistines

Don’t know promote and mightymite. Mite send coco to Oz to get some..

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CocoChannel

I’ll be written about in a chapter of JU’s book for saying this, but in two visits to Australia, I found it reasonably OK, quite big, nice enough people and very very good Asian food (better than Asia), but that was it. It’s not on my list of places to go anymore. Bit far too.

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Jalanutan

Really, this place is so big, you can visit all four seasons. A little lacking in history, unless you're into the convict, gold-rush or the Irish rebellion. However, we do love our Asian food, as you attest to :-)

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Jalanutan

LOL, better try 'Waitrose' first :-)

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Filistines

They'll be the last supermarket to get it... I think Vegemite was in many of them long ago. I'm sure it won't have spoiled coco's travels to Australia though and I doubt that was why he made the journey. :-)

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Jalanutan

I think Coco's over Oz, great Asian food not withstanding :-)

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Filistines

I'd be pleased to be able to travel that far and stay 6 months every year!

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Jalanutan

Sound good... ppl do it here every season, north for the winter, south for the summer :-)

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CocoChannel

I actually went to watch cricket, but I have to be honest, it was boring without beer ☹️

It was also 47 degrees!

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Jalanutan

No wonder you have a few negs re Oz. I'd prefer to watch lawn bowls than cricket or rugby even. Aus rules footy isn't bad, a faster game, though I'm down for water sports and their derivatives, even without grog :-)

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CocoChannel

I’m not anti Aus ☹️ I just found it far away, well it is far away, and just like England. If I’m going to fly that far, I want the people to at least look different to me.

If somebody bought me a house in, say, Birkenhead Point in Sydney, I dare say I’d live there.

Not sure about Western Australia, though. Bit isolated! The nearest city must be Jakarta which is ideal with your fluent Indonesian 🙂

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Jalanutan

Yeah, I get it! It's the main reason I prefer Asia, totally different.

Birkenhead Point is huge, but costly to live anywhere near it. WA is ok, isolated, yes, but Jakarta's nothing great. I did like Sumatra, well, back in the day that is, the Indonesian gov like to cut the forest for Palm oil cultivation and in so doing reduce Orangutan habitat :-(

I

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CocoChannel

I read a book called The Damage Done by Warren Fellows, an Australian who ended up in prison in Thailand. It’s not a bundle of laughs as you can imagine. His family posted him some food including a big jar of Vegemite. A nasty prison guard opened the jar in front of the author and must have thought it was chocolate. He dipped his finger right in and scooped a dollop into his mouth. That’ll teach.

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Jalanutan

Bet he spat it hahaha :-)

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Jalanutan

I agree, we can relax and just be ourselves, no pressure :-)

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ThreeSmiles

Crazy man indeed - you truly are a limer speaking like that 😎.... 👍

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Jalanutan

You don't know the half of it... :-)

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Filistines

What's a limer and the other half of it?

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Jalanutan

Ostensibly, a limer is a real cool dude who hangs out watchin' all the talent, either alone or in a group... in the Bahamas.. according to Saint Miles :-)

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Filistines

O my goodness! What crazy people! Surely no one who calls people 'talent' is cool, nor people who are 'watchin' all the talent'? We've evolved since then and we call that harassment now and borderline law-breaking!

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
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More important than talent, strength, or knowledge is the ability to laugh at yourself and enjoy the pursuit of your dreams. 😜

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ThreeSmiles

But not so in 1970 filly....

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Jalanutan

I'm a veeerry cool dude... And while aware that devolution is more the norm these days, 'talent' is a positive term, and who checks out untalented actors on the world stage? It's a biological issue, and I'm all for that ;-)

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ThreeSmiles

Did I say talent? Thought I said people watching..... but hey ho 😀. Oh and it was Barbados 🇧🇧 To be really pedantic - do I care? Do I have any talent? No on both fronts 👍

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Jalanutan

I prefer 'talent', and there's soooo much of it in this touristy warm clime, that I frequently shake my head in frustration.......

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Jalanutan

Oh, I only know one 'other half'...and she's gone Lol :-)(

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Filistines

Scandalous way to describe a person imo.

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Jalanutan

Bite me....please :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
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Cry for Help in a World Gone Mad

Agent Orange - Living In Darkness.

Chorus :-

and i can't help myself by feeling sorry

because i gave up every chance i had

it's not a movement, it's just another fad

like a cry for help in a world gone mad.

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
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Damn straight. The place is crawlin' with ppl; yet, we're alone. I remember video footage of kids being sprayed with DDT, and since they didn't fall down dead on exposure, it was deemed innocuous, harmless.

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
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Lots of meaning hey!

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
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Deep -Punk stuff another album purely on your theme entitled :-

Surfin to Some F.cked up Sh1t.

Or is it just me, literally? 🤔

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ThreeSmiles

Just you 😀

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Filistines

lmao

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Ofeckman

Who needs friends when.....

I can be my own enemy!? 😠

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ThreeSmiles

Lol - what are you like ofeckle. You would be called a friendly foe! 👍

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Ofeckman

Fee-fi-foe-fum. 🙌

Escapism is the best way to leave your own life behind, and become king of your own little world. 😜

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
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It can seem like that...quo vadis???

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
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Nowhere fast or soon. I'll stick. 🤔

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ThreeSmiles

? Jack of all trades, Master of none more like 👍

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Ofeckman

Sofa Surfers feat. Mani Obeya - Broken Together.

Sofa Surfers is an Austrian band that plays a mixture of rock and electronic music floating between trip hop, dub and

acid jazz. They have also composed film scores.

Broken together, trip hop eh? 🙄

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Hmmm, hip op, y not...I'll giv'm an ear, though not too crazy on contemporary jazz, didn't mind the early version :-)

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Jalanutan

I don't intend to precipitate another 'riot' here re the deception of 'no alco products, but I just gotta say that my neighbour recommended a product called 'Rescue Remedy' to help with my insomnia. He was most adamant it had worked in his case, and even his dog. Well, I thought, "Hey, if it works on his 'dog'... then for sure I'll give it a go!".

$20 poorer, I walked out of the 'organic food co-op' with a 10ml bottle of a herbal remedy for the relief of stress, and only four drops on the tongue were the directions. In doing so that night, I immediately recognised the sharp tang of spirits, and not the oogily boogily type either, lol.

I checked the long list of almost illegible ingredients, and there it was, 'contains ethanol'.

Man, what a rip-off. I could've purchased a bottle of bourbon for that money :-0

Just goes to show, it's almost impossible to escape alcohol entirely. It's the elbow bending alcoholic activity that I'm concerned with, not the minor derivatives. Nevertheless, I was more than ticked about wasting 20 bucks :-l

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CocoChannel

There’s a drug called Antabuse which makes you feel ill if you consume any alcohol. It sounds nasty and must be a last resort for an alcoholic. That Rescue Remedy would be a problem for someone on Antabuse.

I’m the same. I can cook with alcohol, eat tiramisu and could probably manage a chocolate liqueur if I ate chocolate. But when it’s out of a glass, it’s a problem☹️

What’s the story with the insomnia? Is it connected to giving up alcohol?

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Jalanutan

Well, I think it sort of began with a vengeance during an onerous marriage breakup, haven't slept good since. Twenty years and all that... :-I

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Jalanutan

Tell you what, this Antabuse would be a killer, since there's so many product with alcohol. Man, what a trip!!!

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CocoChannel

When I first decided to give up booze, I asked my GP about this. Continuing the random book references (I haven’t read a book in 3 years now ☹️), Antabuse sounds like Ludivico Technique in Clockwork Orange, and I said this to my GP. She didn’t have a clue what I was on about, but she was dead against Antabuse. Pretty controversial stuff, but I guess it has its uses.

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CocoChannel

You haven’t mentioned AA, so I assume like me you’ve no intention of even thinking of going. It would offer some good character ideas for your book, though.

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Jalanutan

Re Antabuse, you'd have to be real careful what you ate out, too much grog used in cooking, etc...

AA non anonymous. Yes, I almost gave 'it' a call, but I once attended another NA, 'Narcotics 'non' Anonymous' (NA) a couple of times, and while there was no God factor involved, it was not my scene, I didn't belong at all (no talent ;-)

Plus, I've overcome so much in the past, that I knew I was capable of abstaining without overt help. I'm very strength based oriented Coco, and believe in a persons ability to overcome adversity :-)

So, I do have a little experience in the AA/NA areas for my book. Oh, I also attended a 'dual diagnosis' group that did have religious origins, including the 12 steps, an offshoot from AA I believe.

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ThreeSmiles

Snap jal jay limer

The thought of attending AA made me feel ill in itself - just my little phobia of sitting around discussing my issues - have experienced that sort of thing once at work. It was a course called Advanced Interpersonal Skills. I suppose I could have taken that as a compliment because it could mean I had Basic Interpersonal Skills but somehow I thought that was not necessarily the rationale 😀.

Reiterate re AA it was just not for me and for others I know it has been brilliant 👍

Miles

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Jalanutan

I think you'd be a great group facilitator. It takes those interpersonal skills and a quick wit to keep track of say, 8-10 ppl, which was around my limit.

I gather you know my feelings towards AA, just not for me, as with you. But like you know, and history also attests to their value and success rate...

I say, if it work, then I'm happy too! :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

Its sofa surfing time again 🌊! Seems I missed some great banter guys!

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ThreeSmiles

Well if you will sleep all the time....

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ShropshireLass2019

So far cycled 30 minutes 😂😂😂Bring on the banter !

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Jalanutan

Well done, I went to my gym just before and only managed to have a shower...does that count!!!

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ThreeSmiles

Lol jal jay limer a man after my own heart....

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Jalanutan

Hey, mayb we can do some lime'n at the gym! Free coffee, comfortable lounge, telly etc :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

Well it depends Jalan on how many steps from your bed to the shower is and back again 1-10👎11 -30 👎 30 -50 or more gets 👍 😂😂😂

Milo gets a pass as he's a recovering patient

I ended up cycling 25 kilometers in the end plus weights

😁

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ThreeSmiles

But Trish - he actually WENT to the gym and then couldn’t be ars.. bothered to do owt 😀.

My GD#2 used the ars.. word in front of Mummy. Mummy wasn’t impressed. GD said she didn’t know it was rude 😀.

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ShropshireLass2019

Oh Miles on GD, she surely does lead a sheltered life ! Sweet thing! 🥰

Whoops I thought Janlan was pulling my leg on the gym comment as I was thinking UK time and to early to have been to the gym already !!!! I truly slipped up there😂😂 Dippy Trishi gets 👎 strike down!

Now back to decorating 🎄🎄🏚🏚

😊

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Jalanutan

Wait on, I've 24/7 access at me gym. So anything goes hahaha :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

Ah you must be rich and go to a private one! I go to my local authorities gym which is fairly large and trades under the banner of Aspirations ! We have numerous gym classes, a great pool sauna and steam room! 14 months (14) membership for 300 UK pounds which is excellent value but only opens from 6.30am until 10pm 7 days a week ! Lucky you 24/7 😁

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Jalanutan

Now that is 'rich' lol. Yes, private gym, but I pay approx. the same as you $13.50 a week, machines, weights, classes, cycle room, specialist gym, child care, private car park, dry sauna, steam sauna and 24/7 access. Mind you, I joined when it first opened, which has advantages. If I were to join now, and wanted all the trim, then I'd be paying more :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

I guess you have a pool too? Bad news for me before crimbo as my membership is due tomorrow ! Lol

Well nighty nite from me as you'll soon have Milo, possibly Boot, Lynne and others to keep you company who hardly sleep!

I'm now about to read my book until I crash out into the land of dreams

Nighty nite x

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Jalanutan

Dream deep :-)

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ThreeSmiles

I just got told by gym that I could extend my membership suspension for as long as I needed. I nearly fell over. With disbelief. Had 3 months so far. But not used since 23 April!! So they had 6 months membership fees from me when I couldn’t even use the gym at all! 😕

Oh and I pay £50/m when not suspended - and that is just for off peak use. Sounds right for me - the off peak bit!

Milio

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Ofeckman

Free Gym Membership for Seniors - SilverSneakers Fitness. 😜

Cancel that web site has croaked it, grunt, squawk, caw, rasp, gasp, grunt, wheeze, or ...

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Too good to be true then!!! :-I

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Whistling Dixie, Yank outfit. Free with medical ins. 🤕. Their on bakebook/2facebook & utube. 👎

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Jalanutan

Ok, that's pretty good, and I too, have suspended my membership a couple of times due to previous surgery. Though as long as I provide a Dr's cert, I pay nothing until I activate it again. Sounds like your's similar.

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ThreeSmiles

It used to be max suspension was 3 months! That’s why I was so surprised to get the telephone call last night 😀👍

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Jalanutan

Excellent :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

Like your Off Peak comment ! I'm feeling a little of the same after attending pre Christmas fish supper gathering at the WI last night followed by another mince pie ........ The Christmas Turkey dinner is yet to come....

Great news on your gym suspension but me thinks still on the high side ..... 😩 DL should revisit senior costs 😃

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ThreeSmiles

Well you did notice I didn’t mention the club name Trish......😑

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ShropshireLass2019

So is this me getting my knuckles wrapped for having a good memory or for breaking some unknown sacred code 🤔.....

Whoops...........

😩

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ThreeSmiles

No, not rapped at all - just my own daftness, I try not to mention real names when I’m critical. Just funny old me. Now is your opportunity to point out all the times I have broken that “rule” of mine. Go for it 😀👍.

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ShropshireLass2019

Me happeeeeeeeee now 😊😊😊

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Jalanutan

No leg pullin' just felt too fatigued, bear ly able to 'lift' the soap lol :-)

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Jalanutan

Hey, Miles is right, and I'm also a recovering from an op....remember!!! Ok, you're forgiven, I've a big heart :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

Hey Ja, gym after op .....I'm truly impressed ! 😊

Big ❤..... This is nice to know when I slip up again !

I'm juggling to many ⚽️⚽️in the air right now 🤣🤣🤣

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Jalanutan

Actually, I was at my gym doin' upper body work a wk post op. Howzat??? :-)

Oh, I hear ya, time of the year for ball jugglin' :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

Correct!'🙄🙄🙄

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Jalanutan

Man, oh, I mean woman....you must b super fit n muscals n all...lol :-)

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ShropshireLass2019

I thought I was supa fit until my knee's had a wobble then muscle turned to mush........👎😣😣 I'm now fighting to get back there at the wrong time of the year ....Hot Mince Pies with thick cream 👎👎Yummy 😊

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Jalanutan

Like I said, time of the year :-)

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Jalanutan

Do you sleep at all mate?

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Jalanutan

Ok, no-one's about, must be breaky over there. It's now 6.50pm down under, on the dark side of the globe, and I'm bored, frustrated, depressed, pissed (sorry, is that allowed?) and ticked...

Had a bad hair day, or mayb I mixed me meds or something....I feel me life's breakin' apart...right out of left field

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ThreeSmiles

Cmon jal matey - you’re doing so well - don’t get a downer now. Tell me anyone who doesn’t feel a bit p*ssed off now and again and I’ll show you a fibber.

You’ve been up before and hopefully you’ll be up tomorrow. Just think of that surf. 😀👍

It’s piddling down here and dark as it can be in the daytime - well almost - so that must be way worse than where you are - dark side my ar..behind.

👍🤞👍

Miles.

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Jalanutan

Thx Miles, I am a bit down today :-I

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ThreeSmiles

I saw - that was what my reply was supposed to be about - missed the mark there then didn’t I 😕

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Jalanutan

No man, didn't miss...bull's eye...n I won't go there either, too much left lateral field too boot...Hey, where's boots?

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ThreeSmiles

Hey up jal jay limer

Boot comes most every day but is having a sort of mini break - don’t worry I’m sure she is reading everything she can - as usual 🤞.

Milp

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Jalanutan

Cool

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

If you laugh at yourself and then feel worse, more depressed, angrier, with lowered self-esteem, it's safe to assume you're not doing it right.

Suck egg's - Life is like a box of chocolates.

Ain't easy at the best of times. I was gona post this one y/day but didn't wanna spoil the party.

I'm SAD ok Milp lol - Stress, Anxiety & Depression has crept into my otherwise happy go lucky, chilled, take it on the chin attitude.

Good days & bad days trying to go with the flow but I've hit a rut. I know there's a lot of ppl worse off than me but that's still not cutting it. In your reply y/day u asked quo vadis? I only got the answer today which was nowhere fast or soon, I'll stick.

Stuck with this illness doing alright but don't wanna go any further downhill because of it.

Anyway blame it on the weather here's hoping the clouds lift sooner than l8er. Suppose it's 6* dark, wet, windy down under? U can't be sad mate. We gotta get our boomerang back. Your way ahead of me (11hrs) a new day already. Rest easy. 👍

Surfin - to be spaced out and unfocused. Not paying attention to the task at hand. 🙃

Dark ☁️has left the.......

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ThreeSmiles

Aw feckle...😕 and you always sound so cheerful in your own interesting sort of way. Hope you can rise up against this darkness too. Here’s hoping 🤞 for you that’s for sure.

C’mon man...go for the light at the edge of the clouds - I’m sure, hopefully, tomorrow will bring a brighter day - for you and, for all of us too.....

Good luck as ever

Miles

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Ofeckman

Thanks, my original reply didn't. It was bedtime reading anyhow💤 Précis somewhere below ? 🤔

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

I hear ya, and identify... On top of everything there's this ageing scenario...'Do not go gentle into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light... and I'm fighting it like a son-of-a-bitch...

I'm focused on me returning boomerang, my mojo. Just not sure if it's going to 'clock' me one ;-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

The problem with some people is that when they aren't drunk, they're sober. 🤔

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

I'm finding this sobriety/reality a bit much myself. It helps to keep busy, but when a person feels fatigued like I do, the motivation just isn't there, damn it all......

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Riot in the making here.

Sometimes one day changes everything; sometimes years change nothing.

I had a reply to thank Miles for his kind words but it disappeared? Basically trying to explain my downer, maybe. 352 days on 7th prob struck a chord 1yr on I'm no better, but no worse. Explains my reply to urs "Nowhere fast or soon, I'll stick." Stuck with this illness.

It's tough sticking to a regime. Plus juniors sitting here necking it.

Was more but I can't be arsed repeating it, cause I'm sad.

Can ya whistle with me - The Life of Brian :- Always look on the......🎶🙃

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ThreeSmiles

🎼 uh hu uh hu 🎼

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Ofeckman

[Intro]

But Brian, you know what they say?

Some things in life are bad

They can really make you mad

Other things just make you swear and curse

When you're chewing on life's gristle

Don't grumble, give a whistle

And this'll help things turn out for the best

And...

[Chorus]

Always look on the bright side of life

(Whistle)

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Yep, I can :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Not Dixie?

Three Rider & Bell whistles. A 1941 Aussie Thunderer, Aussie Thriller and a 1942 Aussie tube whistle. We also have a Military issue 1942 Premier Wire Works Melbourne Australia whistle. 👍

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Forget Whistling Dixie, you gotta a Military whistle works, we could start up our own rebellion :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

So come on! I'm the whistler.

I have a fife and a drum to play.

Get ready for the whistler,

I whistle along on the seventh day,

Whistle along on the seventh day.🎶

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

I'll bring me pipes along 'n' we'll make a real dirge for the fallen...

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Aussie pipe Surf Forecast and Surf Reports (NSW - South Coast ...?

Respect 👍

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Old - south east coast

Respect :-)

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Ofeckman

Ofecky. that is one of my chosen songs to be played at my last rites service.

I especially like the line "Always look on the bright side of Death"......that'll give 'em all chuckle🤣🤣🤣

Also Mad World by Gary Jules.

Best to plan it.......I don't want to get caught short 🤣🤣🤣

David

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to davianne

I'm going with Queen

Who Wants to Live Forever

Guns N' Roses

Live and Let Die (Live) 😜

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ThreeSmiles

I absolutely love Mad World.....

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davianne

Just as well Miles.....we live in one🤣🤣🤣. I love it too, but not the Tears for Fears version, only the Gary Jules one. It's so easy to play as well🎸🎸🎸

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ThreeSmiles

Yes I know that one and the Adam whatsit one too 👍👍

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ThreeSmiles

Lambert...

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ThreeSmiles

I like the words about going to school and being very....

We moved house 21 times before I was 21 and I can’t remember- or dread to think - how many schools I went to before I was 13....

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Jalanutan

I suppose you gained a hole lot to experience! :-)

Did you ever live in a tree house? Only asking cause I lived in a few. Actually built a very basic house in a tree from scratch, where the high tide would lap under my floor and manta rays would do flips a few meters out, magic...

Absolute ocean front :-)

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ThreeSmiles

You and your holes.....

Sounds idyllic 👍

No - no tree houses - but did sleep in a garden shed when our parents small hotel was full....these days social services would have taken them to court - but it was “OK” - hurricane lamp for light - and heating ...,

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Jalanutan

hole in one every time...

The best social workers are not straight out of uni, they're got plenty of lived experience.

Ha, one of my best memories is sleeping in a tent with the wind and driving rain heating up baked beans on a kero stove and I was mayb 5/6yrs

But hey, my parents would've flipped at what used to get up to in my teenage years :-)

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davianne

Being a morbid chap, my favourite line is "the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had" weird or what❓❓❓

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ThreeSmiles

Ummm yes 😀😀😀😀

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davianne

Sorry Miles, I should have included the line before "I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad"😊😊😊

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

Sorry if I'm squeezing in here

It's different, do you feel it's weird? :-)

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

No Jal, it was your original post, so you're more than welcome.

Not weird to me.....as a child I used to have a dream where I was stuck in a drain with green algae all around me and a grating stopping me from escaping. I always woke up before I died, and I kind of miss it.

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

Interesting! Did you know you were about to die?

I dreamt once I was being escorted by two guards, one either side with onlookers, to the gas chamber... a feeling of being trapped, and inevitability. Awoke before I was put in...

Many of my dreams were always as real as real. I once fell from a building, didn't wake up, hit the road, didn't get hurt, not even any pain. So, from then on (dreaming), I used to deliberately fall from great heights, but never be hurt, it was great fun.

Now, is that weird or what!!! :-)

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

Yes Jal, but I always woke up before I died....must be my Guardian Angel.

My main fear was of drowning in the drain. I always wondered that if I didn't wake up, then I must have died.

I had lot's of other weird dreams as well, but that one was the most frequent......and I knew when I was in the dream, that I would wake up....sort of a dream within a dream.

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to davianne

Engine dreams of a mild Jalfrezi.🧟

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

I'm wary of those dishes, has something similar in Asia and found a small backbone in it???

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

No worries many many years ago the Chinese got shut down. Alsatian & Seagull off the menu.

A barmaid where I used to go claimed she found a toenail in hers. The local Chinese is called Toto's. Strewth, no joke mate. 🤕

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Hahaha, toto's, perhaps not so funny. Were there any foot burgers? :-)

In a neighbouring town, a Chinese t/w was shut down for catburgling. No joke, but they were the tastiest burgers in town lol :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Just hot foot it or hop down to the next its only a wok away. 😜

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

A week wok for me...hip hop :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Its a stone's throw from us outback, but have to go walkabout to get to the Asian Express. I could make a hole in the bush, however I dare say my neighbour would take a fence. 😜

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Use a slasher or fold space, better than being impaled :-)

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

Are you sure that wasn't a ratatouille❓❓❓🤣🤣🤣

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

I thought it was at the time rofl :-)

Still tasted great, as did the dog...

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Ofeckman

mild is for wimps.....bring on a phal🥵🥵🥵

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

I've never understood how chilli infused food can be so delish for many, as with you.

It must be an acquired taste. Not for me, too hot, and not only do I sweat, I get nose bleed....

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

Not infused Jal, I mean whole chillies on top 😋😋😋.

I never sweat but do get nosebleeds....just another freebie from our friend cirrhosis.....but not when eating chillies.

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

You know, that sounds a lot like my gas chamber dream, diff scenario.

I once pinched myself to see if I was dreaming, and it hurt. I thought to myself, you beauty...then I woke up. Damn it!!!

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ThreeSmiles

Very weird!

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Jalanutan

You think that's weird :-)

When I was around 11, I had a dream relationship with a young female ghost.

She was beautiful, but I remember only a couple of the dreams...

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ThreeSmiles

Hahahaha - wow if you can remember dreams you are very lucky - well not always! The fact that you can dream is something- it is rare for me even now 15 months post..

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Jalanutan

I seem to mostly remember fragments these days, in my ol' age lol

I noticed that you've post surgery. How do you figure there's a connection with dreams? Wellness, perhaps!!! I hope all is well for you and improving mate :-)

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ThreeSmiles

Ahh well the thing is that post TP - I never dreamt at all - loads of hallucinations but not dreams.... there is a difference but can’t explain it lucidly 😕. Then over the months dreams did come back very very slowly. Now I might dream about once a week 😀. Yes, I know I’m probably the odd one out - odd being the operative word 🙂...

Milo Pilo

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Jalanutan

Interesting... Odd eh! But isn't that just different? I like odd, mostly due to 'my' apparent oddness, and get this, I'm supposed to be 'difficult' as well :-)

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ThreeSmiles

Surely not 😀, would never have guessed....

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Jalanutan

Smarty... rofl :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to davianne

Slimeball - Green slime is lack of trust.. Whilst trapped is frustration. Islamic green is fear of wrongdoing🤔

Don't search Hidden dreaming web site it redirected me to spam, a fake competition. I smelt a rat but when trying to delete it alleged my phone was infected.

I have a security scan phone's ok.🙄

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Yeah, and then they want to scan for viruses and charge mega bucks to fix the alleged problem. Once, I engaged the 'free' scan and it said I had like, 64 infected files. Well, needless to say, I have never bought the repair program and never lost any files as a result.

What's happened to our world...where deception is so prevalent :-(

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Gone phishing. That scam site is top of the list. I simply typed Green slime dreams. Who's the Virus. Dirty rotten parasites.😠

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Yeah, damn it... I've had to cancel the credit card 3 times or more, due to unauthorised transactions.

All that dream interpretation is BS, in my humble opinion. Pseudo science; you can't prove it or disprove it...

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

1st ever card I ordered was for Florida Disneyland. It arrived to late. Envelope was never opened card never signed until someone somewhere helped themselves to £1,150.00 using an i-pad. 👎

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Were you able to git it bac?

Tech, you love it or hate it, but we can't do without it...

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Yip and the other bogus transaction price of two concert tickets purchased in Dublin. Defo not me.🤔

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Ofeckman

They can use a skimmer through a wallet in your trousers, or purse in your man bag if you've got one🤣🤣🤣, so an envelope would be no problem. Get one of those skim proof sleeves to protect your cards.....simples.

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

You know, I've never actually researched that skimmer trick. I wondered why the financial institutions hadn't sent out a flyer to warn all their customers???

I've got one of those sleeves in my back pack, but one in the wallet or hand/shoulder bag would be more convenient :-)

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

I had my card skimmed by a shop worker a few years ago. It was just before a trip to Canada, so was easy to prove to the bank that is wasn't me. The bastards spent about£1800 in one day on luxury stuff, while we were out of the country, and I got it all back.Now my bank text's me a "once only code" to my mobile, for larger purchases....works well.

David

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

Ok, well, so it is true. Hmmm, that's a good idea re the code. I've got a pretty high credit limit, so I'll look into getting one too! Guess I've been lucky, or just didn't know how my card was accessed. Rather than large amounts, there have been smaller, monthly purchases that could be easily missed.

I mean, who's so pedantic as to run through every purchase, every month? ME, usually, though I miss a month occasionally :-)

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

You also have to be wary of subscriptions when you accidentally ticked a box, and also time limited free trials of PC software.

All my PC security and backup software are free, and I've never been hacked 🤞🤞🤞......yet.

David

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ThreeSmiles

You’re lucky David!

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davianne

Yes, I know Miles, but I do keep all the virus definitions up to date weekly.

I still get a few scam emails, but most are quarantined by my ISP. The most annoying ones are from USA or Canadian Pharmacy....about 3 a day😠😠😠

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

Oh man, is that Canadian Pharmacy still runin' that scam...

About 10yrs ago, I had to cancel my email address, cause I couldn't stop the emails grrrrr...

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

Yes, their still going, but there is a prohibited file attached, so my ISP quarantines them all, and just sends me a notification.

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

That's a great ISP you've got there... I opened one of those attachments once and couldn't access my files. Just as well I back-up regularly.

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

Regular backup's the way to stay safe👍👍👍

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ThreeSmiles

You do good David - as they say 👍

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

I agree. I made a purchase recently and made sure I read all the small print; yet, out came came the money. And like I said, I didn't pick it up until the second month :-I

The banks are petty cool about these things, as they have never refused to reimburse me... :-)

Yeah, some of the free anti-virus etc I've tried is good, though I'll give you the 'nod 32', and was told some are better than others... :-)

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

Yep, some want to take over your PC...very invasive. The freebie ones do like to give you PC health warnings...broken registry files, slow boot up etc, but they just want you to go for the paid version...no chance😁😁😁

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

True true, there's always a trade off. And they do keep sayin' how their 'full version' will protect you further...I always wondered if that was the case, or just marketing...Yeah, just marketing :-)

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

You got it👍👍👍

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ThreeSmiles

I pay - don’t mind admitting - Norton - but as they say, other makes are available 😀

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davianne

Norton was the only one I paid for many years ago, and I found it very invasive. I had to seek permission for a lot of actions.

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ThreeSmiles

It never invades me! 😀 Seriously. Have been using for about 10 years now.. maybe it has improved- don’t know but I would certainly recommend it! 😀👍

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davianne

It was about 25 years ago, when I had it, and it slowed up the Desktop PC so much, and made it almost unusable. I built the Desktop myself to get the fastest I could for my 3D Cad programs, and had to change it to Avast.

I still use it today, along with Malwarebytes for trojan protection.

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to davianne

Did you Czech who makes Av..t?

Bit.....er is Romanian.

Think we are more susceptible to those made in China?

I've put Av..t on the shelf since our bank rolled out free security for the 1st yr. I assume renewal will be optional then revert to free. Bytes free is a good 2nd layer. 🖥️💻⌨️

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Ofeckman

Do you mean AVG? I used to use that as well, but they kept chucking up "Buy Me" options all the time, so I ditched them. My ISP has a built in antivirus, so if any nasties get through them, my 2 should sort them out.

I wouldn't use Kaspersky even if they tortured me......I didn't mean it Mr Putin, honest ( just in case they are listening)🤣🤣🤣By Chinese, do you mean Huawei ?

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to davianne

Avast you mentioned, sure they bought AVG. Both a bit too heavy with in app purchases/adds. 360 Security & Qihoo 360 are two of too many Chinese software groups.

Yip some reviews no longer rate K... Putin the boot in. 👎

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

Years ago, I used Norton, something ticked me off about, so I dumped it.

Bought a restored 1970 Norton 750 Commando S roadster motorcycle instead :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

The sexy women posed near, or on, Commandos in Norton magazine advertisements can still be visualized nearly half a century later by red blooded Aussie males who have survived since that era. 👍

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Yeah, like you matey, and the gal on the bike in your pic don't look too bad either...What's the bike, looks like a scrambler :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

In our dreams. Honda dirt bike. I've two road bikes. Honda Hornet 600, tuned up & Suzuki SV650 Sport. If the sun ever comes out. 😠😜

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Ok, very sporty...I never went in for that style. I used to restore old English bikes which I liked the look and sound.

My current ride is a Harley 1200 sportster, and while there's plenty of sun here, I've a hindering hip. The physio says I'd be crazy to ride in under 3mths...Well, I told her that I am a little crazy already, which doesn't really help my case lol :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

A mate, the hairy biker, shaved head rides a Harley. He also purchased a Gold Wing recently but found it too heavy for his short frame. Sold on.

We would do charity ride outs on good days 🤞🙄

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

It's good to have someone to ride with, hope you get those sunny days :-)

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ThreeSmiles

You, crazy, jaljaylimer ?, never would have thought that! A Harley - tried one - loved it - but out of my price range.🙁. It is the sound for me that does it. Sound haha...👍👍👍👍

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Jalanutan

I'm not surprised, however, you must be delusional not to see it...only kidding :-) aren't most ppl a little that way??? Yeah, the sound, but only with all the pollution/sound deadening gear ripped out...

After having to sell the Norton, I tried most makes, but the HD sportster was the most comfortable, chics bike or no....

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

Huba Huba 🤤🤤🤤 I had a dominator🤤🤤🤤🏍🏍🏍

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

What, the bike or the woman? hahaha :-)

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

Probably a bit of both, she bucked me off a few times, when I was treating her mean🤣🤣🤣🐂🐂🐂🐱‍🏍🐱‍🏍🐱‍🏍🐮🐮🐮

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

Hahaha please, the visual's too much. Though re the buckin' dominator (bike), weren't they a 500 twin or was it a 650?

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Jalanutan

Mine was a 600 twin, but they also made a 650 Manxman version for the USA market I think, to compete with the Harley's.

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to davianne

Really, but there're diff styles altogether. Oh, ok, maybe just tryin' to take a slice of the market.

You know, I'll talk to anyone, but the guys ridin' those sporty machines said it's unusual for Harley ppl to talk to'm... But we're all bikers...aren't we?!!! :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Some BMW biker s/nobs?👎

I'd be happy cruising on an engine built Royal Enfield. Bite the Bullet🤔

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

It's s..t, but get this, I'm even ostracised by the Harley crew cause I ride a 'chics' bike... cause the women usually ride a sportster, either a 883 or the 1200. It's the smallest machine they make.

I couldn't believe it... I bet they differentiate anyway, like, one gotta clean stock machine and another has wanker sculls all over his... hahaha :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

The funny thing about the worst HD s/nobs is usually it's a new rider with more dough than brains and the Harley is their first bike. I don't have time for 'em.

Motorcycle sales are down around the world because many riders are big-bike s/nobs, while the industry has failed to reach out to women, minorities and millennials.

Cruising for a bruising here - Track day s/nobs. 💪👎

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Yep, so true, re the first biker, I knew a kid who bought an 1100 Suzi as soon as he had his learners. No-one had to endure his arrogance for long, tragic needless to say. I thought at the time, 'What were his parents thinking!', sad.

It's the image... for kids, women or ol' dudes sitting astride a bike with training wheels just doesn't fit it...

Ha, I'm bruised frequently, ego and physically, usually from losing balance when I'm not really movin', embarrassing :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to davianne

Not an NSU Quickly.🚲

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davianne
davianne
in reply to Ofeckman

That would have ruined my street cred😁😁😁

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ThreeSmiles

Much better choice! I bought a Transalp - but really wanted a Norton. Or even a Harley. But couldn’t afford those 🙁.

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Ofeckman

Snap. 🤔 House of cards

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Ofeckman

Innit. 🙃

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davianne
davianne
in reply to davianne

I have now revised my funeral song list.

It appears that "Always look on the bright side of Life", is top of the most popular songs played at funerals.....I can't go with the choice of the masses.

I found out as it was on my Listening Books app, as Eric Idle has written a book of the same name which I must listen to. Ling Love lysdexia🤣🤣🤣

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

Congrats on one hole year, and no worse is good mate. You're a battler no doubt, keep on the upside down, I know it helps. Plz don't take this as discouragement, but the last three times I withdrew from substances, it was more than a year.

I really don't expect this time to be any diff, but take heart, nothing ever stays the same :-) Hmmm, I think I can still whistle...

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

I love Celebrations. But not even allowed the choc variety, sugar, salt grog, coffee or a cheeky fag off the menu.

Life of Brian - He carried Rescue Remedy used as an excuse as to why his aftershave smelt of intoxicating liquor at work. Poor kid hit it sore, lost the books, car, job & wife. He lived on Church handouts (food bank) & his savings but still had enough to drink Vod by the pint glass. Buried at 44 within 18 mths. Sobering. 🤔

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Ofeckman

A progression of loss, accumulative, compounding the need for relief....sobering indeed. And to claw your way back from that takes supernatural effort

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ThreeSmiles

As long as you don’t whistle through the “whole” thing.....

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Wash my mouth out now - where’s that soap gone....

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Jalanutan

I couldn't lift it, remember, from the gym!!! :-) I'll try next time, I'm out of soap...

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ThreeSmiles

It was your hole year thingie.....

Omg this thread is too confusing now 😕😕

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Jalanutan

slippery little sucker!!! lol :-)

next post in some days from now??? 6 I think

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ThreeSmiles

Lol 😀

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Jalanutan

I tried not to 'crack up'....butt, couldn't help myself...funny stuff lmao :-)

now that's gotta make ya smile :-)

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ThreeSmiles

😀 it did 😀 thanks 😀

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Jalanutan

glad...hey, did u miss the 'right' out of 'left' field? :-)

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ThreeSmiles

Haven’t a clue what you meant - in that context - but didn’t want to say 😀

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Jalanutan

I was hoping you'd clarify it!!! Lol

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ThreeSmiles

Well normally it means something like an unexpected event or a surprising thing. Is that what you meant?

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Jalanutan

yeah, ok, but the 'right' part....correct! opposite to left. Ges it's abit skewed hey...

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ThreeSmiles

“referring to a play in which the ball is thrown from the area covered by the left fielder to either home plate or first base, surprising the runner.”...the right bit speaks for itself....

See, 🎼Yes Sir, I can Google 🎼 Can you Google too 🎼 🎼You would Google too if it happened to you🎼

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Jalanutan

I'm totally googled lmao :-)

Truely, don't know where half these cliches originate...

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ThreeSmiles

I wish my posts would come behind the posts they apply to and not after one where it is totally inappropriate 😕

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Jalanutan

Yeah, I noticed that, frustrating and you've got to search for it too!

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ThreeSmiles

Yesssss - need that new post NOW please Jaljaylimer 😀👍. 74 days up will do for a new one! Anything will do in fact!!

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Jalanutan

Sorry fella, it's getting that way I'll have trouble with writing a decent post if it's too soon like.

After all, who want to read about my infected wound, trouble with my neighbours, the much needed wheel bearings for my motorhome and not to mention these depressing, boring digs???

Of course, all the above affects my will power to abstain from the booze.

But hey, I'm heartened by your encouragement and desire to read more of my prattle. Hmmm, or is it just so the individual replies are easier to follow!!!

Miles me Man :-) :-) :-)

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ThreeSmiles

I do!!

Go for it. We all know, I think, it is just a bit of fun - well sort of - once we get into facebook mode that is...... and I sit here thinking about the sand, sea and se..... nsible things as an escape from reality and dreary old weather here 👍👍

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Jalanutan

It's good fun, as long as you don't take yourself or the odd indiscretion too seriously.

Ever though of returning to Barbados?

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ThreeSmiles

Yes indeedy BUT I had to surrender my 🇧🇧 citizenship when I worked for a Defence company over her a few years ago. In retrospect it was a big mistake.....

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Jalanutan

Bummer, but you must've thought it ok to surrender it at the time!

Have you ever thought of applying for it again, or too many hoops to git through!!??

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ThreeSmiles

Impossible 😕 unfortunately...... i was one of the last brits to get citizenship... at least at that time...

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Jalanutan

Sad alright, but you got great memories and it ain't so bad in 'sunny' England :-)

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CocoChannel

It is 😀

Your 50, 60, 70 day diaries have put me off writing my embellished 12 months post in a couple of weeks’ time. Nothing much happened really, well not that much ...

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Jalanutan

Hey, I'd love to read your 1yr diary :-)

12mths is some achievement, please write it...

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CocoChannel

Thanks. I’ve done a few sporty things, nothing major, in 2019 which I wouldn’t have been able to manage with a daily hangover. I don’t want to come across as boastful, not helpful, so I’ll have to think about it.

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CocoChannel

But you’re right in that people really do want to read and are inspired by real-life stories with all the ups and downs.

I have to say I was totally flummoxed this year to read about people giving up alcohol for years and becoming super fit and doing all sorts of top stuff only to start drinking again and ending up in a very bad way indeed. Those people who took the time to write that certainly helped me. I would have been guaranteed to try drinking again if I hadn’t read such stories . Scary stuff but very well received by many.

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CocoChannel

Here are some real sporting heroes, JU, and it’s more your sort of sport too! You could probably get a game. It was a documentary on UK TV about a physically disabled rugby league team going to Aus. I’ll definitely watch on catch up.

rugby-league.com/article/56...

I don’t watch rugby at all, but I played at school and uni. When I stopped the booze and got quite fit, I realised I needed a sport to keep me motivated and went along to my local rugby club for a training session. I was by far the weediest there. There were no beer bellies to be seen, just big guys who despite being 40+ were fit and agile. I’m sure I could have worked on my skills, but I’d have needed to replace the 22Kg of fat I’d lost with the same amount of muscle!

There is touch rugby I suppose, but c’mon I could’ve played that as a drunk. No rugby again this lifetime.

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Jalanutan

Thx, I'll check it out...

There've been some smaller guys, like our Alfie Langer. He's retired now, but man, could he run. Never liked Rugby that much, played a bit, and it's a great way to wear out knees, hips and heads.

If only we could replace fat with muscle, though age is against me I'm afraid.

I gotta c if I can sleep, give it a go anyway.

Night...I hope! :-)

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Jalanutan

Checked it out and gotta watch...

I was disappointed Adam Hill moved on from 'Spicks'n'Specks', that was a top show.

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CocoChannel

Finally watched (three quarters of) Take His Legs, the documentary about a UK disabled rugby team who went to Aus.

My first thought was that I used to look like Russell Crowe does now! What has he been doing? Clearly not exercise ☹️

The documentary was so so. They only had an hour or so of air time I admit, but I’d have liked to hear more about some of the players’ backgrounds as some of them seemed a great laugh despite being through a lot. The system they have of different coloured shorts for each level of disability is a brilliant idea. The documentary would’ve been better as a six parter.

People who become disabled is a whole new topic. An ex-Royal Marine near me is in a wheelchair after being injured in Afghanistan. He’s not doing well at all mentally. I once helped him into his chair after he fell out (drunk) and was given a f*** you for my efforts. Water off a duck to me, but he will have been a supreme sporty type in his day and to have that taken from along with his mates and life, I’m not surprised he’s bitter.

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Jalanutan

The coloured shorts is a great idea, lets you know if you can really hard tackle'm :-) I still might have a look tho...interesting.

I guess we all know even death could be the outcome of a military career...tho we just don't think it'll happen to us...

Some cope quite well, some, but the ones I know, don't...esp those cut down young.

As with one guy I helped who had fallen, he'd lost a leg in nam (mine). He was drunk, lashed me with invective and wanted to fight...man!!! I just walked away...

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CocoChannel

And that Alan Hills, he’s not well known in the UK. I didn’t even notice he had a disability until he showed his skinny lower leg and little foot. Good on him for doing that, though.

I had to re-read your post a couple of times. It reads like the drunk guy lost your leg in Vietnam! It’s not for everyone trying to help, so well done for helping. I’m sure when he sobered, he’d have been grateful you helped,

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Jalanutan

Ok, how this... A drunk man at the pub fell over. He had lost a leg due to an exploding land 'mine' in Vietnam etc etc.

No, I doubt he'd remember it :-I

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CocoChannel

I understood the first time 😀 I’m sure there’s a British joke or comedy sketch about the two meanings of the word “mine”.

It must be day 80 by now?

My wife bought some brandy butter. It’s 4% alcohol. Do you think this will invalidate my 1 year of sobriety? There wasn’t an alcohol free version.

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Jalanutan

Yes, yes, of course you knew what I meant. But I get into these serious moods, especially of late, where I just don't see the obvious, sorry :-I

Brandy butter!!! That's your decision. Personally, it wouldn't worry me at all. Though if I ate the whole 500g/1 pound at one sitting, well, perhaps then!

And yes, today is the Day 80, I think... I just don't feel like writing zip...tidak bagus

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CocoChannel

You know, I was once criticised on this forum (well, maybe more than once) for writing in German to another poster even though German was his native language. What can I say but tak suka tak apa?

Well done on day 80! Bagus banyak!

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Jalanutan

Yes, well, I guess others are reading and want to know, though you are replying to a particular person, yes?! Still, there's consideration for others...tidak apa apa!

Perhaps I need to modify my English vocabulary, ergo? NOT!

Terima kasih bunyak :-)

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CocoChannel

Sama-Sama

Before the complaints roll in...

Bagus = good

Banyak = very

*Terima Kasih = thanks

*Sama-sama = same same (you’re welcome)

Tak/tidak = not

Tak suka = don’t like

Tak apa = don’t care

* There’s a famous cartoonist in Malaysia called Lat. One of his cartoons shows a western tourist arriving at a Malaysian hotel and giving his name “Terry McArthy”. The receptionist looks up and replies “Sama-Sama”.

I’ll get my coat.

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Jalanutan

Hahahaha

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CocoChannel

As you’re not starting a day 80 thread ☹️ I’ll keep this one going.

Malay and Indonesian have quite a lot of differences. I wanted to learn Malay, but as there aren’t many books available, I thought I’d try Indonesian as there are more books, etc. out there.

But even some basics are different.

Can = boleh (Malay)

Can = bisa (Indonesian)

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Jalanutan

I'm writing it now... :-)

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Jalanutan

Patience grasshopper, almost there...

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Jalanutan

Oh, so it 'is' so bad in the mother country???

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CocoChannel

I normally spend Xmas/new year in somewhere warmer, a Jalan someplace in fact, but I have a few bills this year so Xmas in U.K. it is ☹️

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Jalanutan

I haven't read any posts as such, I've my own empiricism and it's painful :-(

I did it all, got super fit, considered training for the black belt I almost got 25yrs before, went to uni studying Psyche and worked for 6yrs as a group facilitator for people with mental health and addiction issues... Still, I relapsed and knew exactly what I was doing, but the circumstances were just too intense.

Multiple traumas have an accumulative affect...just too intense, and I was alone...

NOT this time tho, I can't afford it, it would kill me...

Please write your experiences Coco, your achievements too :-)

It literally makes me teary eyed when I read of those accomplishments. For I see the wider screen, the huge effort that has preceded the achievement; the will, the sacrifice, the endurance and the feeling of elevated health, self-worth and the esteem of peers.

NOT boastful Coco, cause I WANT to hear of your sporty things!!! And I'm sure everyone else would want to as well :-)

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CocoChannel

Everyone? 🤣

You’ve got something, a lot, to aim for when your hip’s fully run in. It’ll be humbling as well. I’m doing sports with some people who are twenty years younger. Obviously they’re miles ahead, but I do OK and surprisingly don’t regret the “lost time”.

In fact, here’s something you’ll be able to relate to. As my knees did almost no exercise for 20 years, I could be running in my 50s (just entered that decade), 60s and more.

I’ve got a sporting event coming up but not until April 2020. I might wait until then 🏊‍♂️🏃🏻‍♀️🚲

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Jalanutan

Hahahah I like that, 'run-in' my hip :-)

Yeah, ok, not 'everyone', you got me there, I don't usually generalise... :-)

I can relate re knees and maturity. Your hips too, should be good :-)

How bout, write you 12mth post and the 2020 event can be an update!?

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ThreeSmiles

As freddy said me 2

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Jalanutan
Jalanutan
in reply to Jalanutan

I'm writing it now... :-)

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alfredthegreat

I'd like to read the 12 months post. It's an achievement that will inspire others! :-) :-)

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CocoChannel

I’ve still got a week to make it interesting! I did buy a bracket/bearing for a mountain bike this week. Beat that, Jalan 😆

(It was a second hand bike, but by the time I’d fixed all the broken bits, I could’ve bought a new one ☹️)

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Jalanutan

You made me laugh Coco hahaha, cause I CAN beat that... Last Sunday I changed the rear inner and outer wheel bearing on the motorhome. It took 4hrs cause of me hip. I know I shouldn't have done that, big job, but I was going stir craaaazy... :0

I see the effort, the motivation it took for you to do that :-) Yes, you may or may not have been able to buy a new one, but what of the feeling of triumph, not to mention the hands on experience!!! Can't buy that, hey! :-)

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CocoChannel

A new bike would only have been £300 😅 I just wanted a bike to go shopping with and maybe cycle/fall off a few hills. This episode won’t be going in the 12 month epic, but at least it’s a decent bike now (and no one will steal it). If I get into cycling, I can also buy a better one.

I have visions of you crouching on the ground to get to these bearings! Four hours sounds quite speedy.

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Jalanutan

Ha, I've got a push bike no-one would steal either, needs some TLC :-)

I think it's pretty cool, what you did, enjoy...

Not too much crouching, I had a low swivel seat. Don't think I could've done it otherwise, I had to knock out and then replace the cones as well, which was most of the tedious work.

Well, thanks re the time, but I knew what I was doing and had the tools to do it. Also, I had no nasty surprises, smooth all the way :-)

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Jalanutan

Good fun, great people, love this forum :-) :-) :-)

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Ofeckman
Ofeckman
in reply to Jalanutan

Dragons Den - Make your business our business.

"We flush away your worries"🤔

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ThreeSmiles

Me 2

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ShropshireLass2019

Jalan

Sorry your feeling depressed! Here's a few direct joke's from my caring granddaughter Aluna who's aged 6.5 sends these to you !,

Why do giraffes have long necks? Because there feet are smelly! 😂😂

A thief broke into my house last night ....so I woke up to help him search ! 😂

Why was the giraffe late for school? Because he got stuck in a giraffic jam😂😂😂

PS

My granddaughter was playing with my phone and was then reading my messages ! She just happens to be bright as a button and top student in her year and recently won a medal for the most caring student who look's after others! I mentioned you were depressed as she said let's send him a few jokes ......

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Jalanutan

Hey, that's so caring :-) I do like the jokes, and re the giraffic jam, lucky it wasn't a jurassic jam lol :-) Thank her for me plz, I'm cheered up :-)

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