Trying not to think about the loss of my friend and trying to think about something else for awhile. I see him everywhere. It's hard. Thank you all again for your prayers and condolences. You are all amazing people.
Just was wondering. We talk about the vagus nerve being a cause for Afib. I believe that is true for some. But I wonder if it's possible for others if the vagus nerve could become irritated from the pain caused AFTER taking the blood thinners. It certainly sounds possible to me. I was not having any back pain before I took Eliquis. Neither did my partner but he's also on Eliquis and has back pain. Can hardly bend over sometimes. I find it strange that most of the cardio Drs don't even address the vagus nerve since it controls everything in our bodies. But then I've already been there too much. Most Drs only know pills and procedures.😠 I wonder when they go to medical school if they all have their computers in front of them and the professors say- now students look up this illness and tell me what medicines you could prescribe for it. Seems that's how most Drs practice nowadays. I used to go to the Dr years back. Get sent to an exam room. Wait for the Dr and get hit in the knee to check my reflex. And he'd look in my eyes and ears with the light. Sometimes up the nose too. And if there was something on my body that needed looked at it would be looked at. And Dr would ask me questions. Now they ask you for a couple symptoms with no physical exam and boom they are on the computer looking for some med to prescribe. Geez. I could do that. Only I couldn't and have a conscious. Just my opinion about that.
Do any of you thing that the vagus nerve being irritated after taking the meds is possible?
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What are the side effects listed for the medication you mention, is there perhaps a clue here I wonder regarding some of your symptoms. The vagus nerve certainly plays a very substantial part in the way we function but I couldn’t guess if the med you mention affects it.
Medics seem to work in a different way these days I have noticed that in my interactions with them. I concern myself that they have become too compartmentalised rather than treating us as a whole. Hope you find some answers to your question.
It was just an idea. There are so many different side effects from these meds I was just wondering if the ingredients could irritate the vagus nerve. Other meds can certainly cause irritation to different parts of the body. Possibly some of these Afib meds could do the same to this nerve and cause worse Afib.
I have so much back pain that sometimes it will raise my pulse and I can massage under my right ear lobe and it will calm down. The vagus nerve runs on both the right and left side of the neck. But the right side is the easiest to affect. Or sometimes I can massage my shoulders and it will help lower my pulse. The vagus nerve controls everything. And of course our hearts. I remember studying it in high school, some in science and probably biology. Just what it does. If you haven't seen it or like me it's been 50+years since I'd given it a thought, there are some good pics to Google. When we stop and think about how our bodies are put together and how everything works in such synchrony, just one thing can throw us off kilter. Sometimes just a bit and other times a lot.
Of course I doubt if any trials of these meds addressed anything even close to anything to do with the vagus nerve. And I totally agree Drs don't seem to even want to treat the whole person like when I was young. It all just feels kind of alien to me that they quit doing that. And now the big thing is functional medicine. It's a good thing but certainly nothing new. It's just doing what Drs used to do. Maybe some day medicine will go back to that. Who knows.
Take care and be safe. I see in the news many places are going into covid lock down again.
I agree completely, the vagus nerve certainly affects us for good and less good if it becomes irritated or over/under stimulated. It’s good that you have found some techniques to help. My vagus nerve is currently not happy as my heart is racing like a train. Yes we are in covid tier three the highest level in England, not good. Best wishes.
What a sad time for you. Tragedies are hard to cope with and leave unhealable wounds as my wife and I know only too well. A chance detour yesterday while on holiday here in Norfolk brought back a wave of sadness and memories of happier times.
Regarding doctors, I can see why you feel as you do, and we each have our own set of experiences that guide our feelings. Having spent many years working with doctors, I've drawn far more positive conclusions and feel that their intelligence, years of study and vast experience puts them in a unique position to help us and know about our illnesses. There's still plenty they don't know, of course, but much that they do.
The vagus nerve is a large nerve and lots of work has been done to look into it and illnesses it might be implicated with. I wonder whether it's possible that it can be "irritated" as such since it is a very well protected. I know some people say it can, of course, but I haven't read any science behind this. The oesophageal sphincter (where a hiatus hernia can form) is close to the vagus nerve, but also the stomach itself can push up and force the diaphragm into direct contact with the heart; also the oesophagus in some people sits right against the left atrium and the pulmonary veins, which is where fibrillation begins.
I've read that the nerve can become irritated from some injury A person could have experienced in the past or present. And you wouldn't really know it's the nerve that's being irritated from any discomfort you could be having. And if the body is out of alignment the nerve can be irritated. I used to go to an osteopath years ago and had a pain in my abdomen. He also did manipulation like a chiropractor. He told me my pain was from a nerve that runs down close to the stomach, don't remember his exact words now. And when you're bones are out of alignment it can bother that nerve. Well I know now it was the vagus nerve. He would manipulate me and the pain would go away. Every so often it would come back and another manipulation would take care of it. I've read some chiropractors know about the vagus nerve and can treat it through manipulation. I was going to make an appt with a chiropractor to see if I could get help (also from the pain I get from the Eliquis) but I read you shouldn't be manipulated on blood thinners.😒 Always something we can or shouldn't do on these meds.
You’re right that there’s always something. If we made a list of the wonky bits, whose would be the longest? What a life we lead at times and it’s little comfort to know there are many worse off, some indescribably so. Life goes on.
“Face piles of trials with smiles...” is a line from a favourite song of mine by the Moody Blues. Of course, they were young when they wrote that! These lines are a bit more hopeful:
Agree with you entirely about most doctors, just content to prescribe drugs and not treat the whole person. Even worse since COVID, as most are content just to diagnose over the phone and not even see you.
My take on the Vagus nerve is that the vagus nerve impacts on everything, but equally everything can impact on it, particularly our thoughts. I like the positive thinking saying ‘we are a product of our thoughts’. The last few weeks I have had low mood, I am trying to correct that by thinking more positively, by reading my positive thinking books. Starting to correct my negative thoughts and mood is now starting to lift.
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