I am currently taking 3ml of Ivermectin weekly, and have just added 3ml of Fenbendazole. Both have had some promising results in affecting various cancers in actual research trials. I have recurrent PC after a radical prostatectomy in 2017. Took Zoladex for 9 months. PSA went from .6 to .04. Been on a vacations for 11months. My PSA after 10 months went to .05. Testosterone is now 5.85. I feel great...this feels like normal again.
I will be getting my next PSA test mid December. This will tell if the Ivermectin and Fenbendazole has helped to keep the PC from advancing. Hopefully not.
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QUOTE from the above article: "Drugs that are already clinically approved or experimentally tested for conditions other than cancer, but are found to possess previously unrecognized cytotoxicity towards malignant cells, may serve as fitting anti-cancer candidates."
I see no danger in my current "intermittent" approach, given the literature. Let's see what Ivermectin and Fenbendazole can do. Both have shown cancer affecting results in tests.
I guess you don't know what is meant by a "clinical trial." It means a drug is tried in humans with prostate cancer. This has never been done for either drug you mentioned.
With all due respect, I see that you are not a doctor, urologist or oncologist. You are an “advocate”, according to your bio. You should be careful with your pronouncements, as we who have PC are facing a difficult future. The SOC you advocate for so determinedly can be changed quickly by new scientific and medical advancements. So please don’t call Fenbendazole “dangerous” unless you have the training and research to support your claim.
I do have the background that you lack. It is dangerous to use untested medicine. If you want to take untested medicines quietly, that is your business, but people who don’t even know what a clinical trial is have no business advocating snake oil publicly.
Your response is typical of someone who has been challenged in their pronouncements.....and then circles the wagons! You may have a "background" but you have no professional expertise. Contrary to your assertion, both Ivermectin and Fenbendazole are not "untested" but there is increasing research being done. See thelancet.com/journals/ecli...
Did you even read the many links I gave you above? I doubt it, as they challenge your views. Your knowledge level is undermined when you use such ridiculous terms like "snake oil" in reference to a world famous medicine like Ivermectin (see theconversation.com/ivermec... )
Let people make their own decisions about what might or might not work, but please don't ridicule those who wish to fight PC with anything and everything they can.
Why can't I venture an opinion that is backed by research? You still haven't read the links I sent you? Research is increasing, and will lead to clinical trials.
You seem to have no problem venturing a non-professional opinion on medications like IV and Fenbendazole.
Ivermectin and fenben are old ideas. Here on the group, several years ago , there was a lot of talk and interest in them. Also, numbers of guys here have turned, in desperation, to using them , as well, in a last ditch effort for even a tiny bit of life extension when nothing else worked.
Not one single person claimed even the tiniest benefit from them ….not one of a dozen .. and one I knew ( now deceased ) cursed them because they can falsely build up people’s hopes and expectations only to be exceeded in value by a good air freshener. There has been a great deal of discussion about ivermectin and fenben on the group, you can use the search feature to see the interactions.
Oh yeah, this “research” seems well thought out. How selfish of you to pollute this forum with such ignorant, time wasting rubbish!
Lucy Kerris is a paid consultant for both Vitamedic, an ivermectin manufacturer, and is co-founder, as well as acting as a paid consultant, for Médicos Pela Vida (MPV), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19 and discourages COVID-19 vaccination.
Sorry to see your meltdown over my non SOC approach to my PC. LOL! Your conspiracy theories about Ivermectin are laughable. I had Covid, and took Ivermectin, which helped reduce the severity. I did not take the vaxx, like you, so suffered no ill effects, like many did. Many people were duped into taking 4-5 "boosters". If a vaccine is effective, you only need 1 shot. People who took the vaxx still got covid. We know people who died from the SOC vaxx impact, including many thousands with blood clots, heart attacks etc. You are the one wasting our time with your pro vaxx ignorance. This forum is for those with PC who want to share their treatment approaches, results, successes and failures. I am not claiming that Ivermectin can cure PC. But I am open to a non SOC approach, given that my PC has no cure. If you don't want to hear about the attempts of other people to confront their cancer - and possibly win - then go and.......
In my opinion a little premature as only tested on mice. Need to see in human subjects. Only about 5% of drugs found effective in mice translate to human use
Tall Allen, how is it dangerous? Serious question, his PSA level is so low, isnt it, he wouldnt be recommended for any standard of care treatment at this point, would he?
I have done SOC treatments all the way, but with concurrance of my medical onocologist and radiation onocologist, took Fenben and Ivermectin, they had me under careful observation and they were very duboius of any good affect from these alternative treatments, but were ok with me taking them as long as I was monitored by my lab tests etc. .
So, if he experiments with these supplements, and his PSA stays low, how does it hurt anything?
If his PSA rises, then I totally agree, back on S.O.C. treatments?
Iam not trying to be difficult, just honestly wondering, if his PSA is low, or someone else's PSA is low, is it bad to try supplements, as long as being prepared to immediately go back to Standard of Care treatments if PSA rises?
Thank you, really respect your knowledge and contributions.
Almost any drug is “dangerous” if used without knowledge. That’s why they are regulated.
Human biology is incomprehensibly complex and using DIY chemo drugs is risky because no one knows what they will do to the whole system. It’s not as simple as “it can’t hurt and if it doesn’t work, I go back to SOC”. What if they damage your health to the point that SOC therapies won’t work anymore?
100% agreed. People only think outside the box when nothing else works. I am waiting for my ivermectin to arrive. The standard care never cures cancer because it doesn’t kill the stem cells so re occurrence often happens. When I was diagnosed with 4+4 T3bN1M this June my doctor said there is no cure but you can manage it. Me & my wife refuse to believe it and looked into everything possible. There are plenty people have long term remission. Why can not be you and me? So just do what you think is right for yourself. Are you taking something to clean your liver like milk thistle?
I have just started the Fenbendazole, so haven’t had my PSA test results yet. Due in mid December. I am like you, why not try a drug that is well known and used safely for decades (Ivermectin). It has shown cancer reducing effects. Same with Fenbendazole. (See my post above showing actual research). Maybe these two don’t work on everyone, but why not me? Ivermectin saved a lot of people from Covid deaths, but was slandered by the SOC medical establishment, who were killing people with Remdesivir and intubation in the hospitals. Lots of posts on this site show SOC treatments affect people differently. I am aiming for long term management. I don’t believe in a cure, now that I have recurrence after a RP 7 years ago . So I’m open to trying a treatment like Fenbendazole. It is Fearmongering by saying it is “dangerous” when no studies have shown that.
There's always a risk involved with any drug. Even aspirin. Combining drugs, effectively creates a different drug and as a result a different risk. I haven't seen anything to suggest that this is a high or even medium risk. Maybe there's evidence I haven't read though.
Personally if I thought it would give some benefit, I'd try it. But what I would also say is be careful with 'research' papers.
A lot of papers are incredibly misleading. Usually, these type of papers are mouse models, cell lines in a dish, questionnaires, meta analysis of multiple studies of poor underlying data. All kinds of traps IMO.
What you have to understand is the human body is EXTREMELY complicated and remarkable. Chemical feedback loops, epigenitics, charged elements, enzymes, different immune responses, te pressure dependent, ph dependent amd much more.
All of those things will be different depending on where they are in the body! It's truly incredible.
Should you try these drugs? IMO, if you're confident you've researched all you can and are happy with the risks, why not? Just bear in mind that if this was the answer, we'd all be using it. Lots have tried it.
As I understand it fenbendazole and ivermectin are veterinary anti-parasitic (de-worming) drugs that work by interfering with the parasites' digestive systems. Also, having been found with little or no significant adverse side effects in humans. Anyone with specific knowledge that contradicts my understandings, please correct me.
Not a lot of downside (some, but not a lot) if one does not forego known-effective treatment(s) and makes sure to avoid drug interactions.
There are anecdotal reports of remarkable good outcomes. But, remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Also remember, all statistics are made up of anecdotes (with the caveat that statistics are controlled to prevent bias). Removing bias from anecdotes is a hard ask, though. So, clinical trials are carefully designed and executed.
I happen to be using an "unproven" (meaning it is not FDA-approved) treatment for my extremely aggressive prostate cancer which has successfully out-performed the Orgovyx I was using before. Brought my PSA down to 0.014 ng/ml. But I am having frequent testing of my bodily functions stay on top of any adverse effects that might come up.
So far, several Orgovyx adverse effects have been mitigated and only two effects (neither affecting health, one is cosmetic and the other transient).
One takes one's life in one's hands when one takes off-label approaches. But then, one takes one's life in one's hands when one chooses on-label approaches, too. One evaluates the risks and goes forward.
Lovinlife53, I am looking forward to your reported PSA and any reports of side effects.
Are you taking these orally, by injection or what?
By the way, I know that TallAllen is quite knowledgeable and highly respected in the medical field. His demeanor may be a bit too gruff for comfort but his wisdom is incontrovertible. TallAllen knows what he is talking about.
I have no issues with TA, other than his claim to knowledge when he is not a trained professional, nor familiar with non SOC approaches, like Ivermectin and Fenbendazole. I have nothing to lose as my PC has recurred. There has been some promising results with both medications, but it may do nothing for me in the end. So what. I will try whatever comes with research, even if it is not yet SOC. TA speaks from an ivory tower with confidence, but he is not facing death, and bears no liability for his "advice". Remember, everything today in SOC treatments might be abandoned - or adjusted - with tomorrow's new medical discoveries. This happens all the time. Electric shock treatments were standard in Psychology in the 1970's. My brother lost his memory in the 1970's because shock treatments were SOC at the time. They are now abandoned as barbaric. Surgeries were conducted without antiseptics, until the microscope made germs visible. My niece suffered permanent brain damage when a spinal tumor was treated 40 years ago with too much chemo and radiation. That was SOC at the time. Now, these two treatment dosages are greatly reduced with new medications. I am not willing to listen to TA's sarcasm about non SOC approaches, and his unwillingness to even consider the research being done on safe medications like Ivermectin and Fenbendazole. Only time will tell if I am right or wrong.
The studies I have seen show taking the Fenbendazole 1g 3 times a week, or one study showed 1g 7 days a week. I definitely think it will help taking both but maybe more frequently
Good for you for stepping out of the box of 'Standard Methods' that T_A is so very much in love with. Oncologists never seem to talk up their success rate either, using these dictated and clinically trialled methods! Must be a miserable job.
Besides T_A is being quite the pedant here by splitting straws and using the term 'clinical trials' to gaslight you into Fear with the use of 'dangerous" language. Tch Tch how unsupportive. However there is a plethora of 'pre-clinical' studies. T_A also appears to be not up to speed on the 20+ years of observation and research that has clearly shown the anti-cancer effects of Ivm. Yet Oncologists and most MDs are quite ignorant of this corpus of knowledge. Follow the money and we can all see why these pennies per pound compounds weren't clinically trialled. But that has now changed. My doctor once told me that 'to beat cancer you have to be two steps ahead of your Oncologist'.
There is nothing dangerous in what you are doing as both drugs have a famously long history of use and are very well tolerated by people and animals alike (just read the papers!) The mechanism of action is also well understood. The precautionary principle holds true here so attention needs to be paid to what you do and how you do it.
Once you start looking you will find plenty of research and peer-reviewed info that supports your self-directed health care. I can recommend a Substack writer with the unlikely nom-de-plume "The Second Smartest Guy in the World". There you will find a series of articles on both Ivm and Fenben, both anecdotal testimony of curees PLUS a swag (about 20) of scholarly research abstracts &/or takeaways in the articles. There you will also find a version of the Tippens Protocol (TP) using both Ivm and Fenben with all the necessary links to pull together the goods. Worth a look because it will enrich your program.
The difficulty in stepping out of the box is once you start, how do you monitor the progress and for how long should you run the treatment plan. Expect months, not weeks and that can be expensive and monitoring can be expensive too but if you have the money you have nothing to lose. But do try and cut out as much carbs (esp refined carbs). Cancer loves sugar and this alone can undermine all your efforts! Fasting/autophagy has its place in your treatment plan as you can starve cancer.
All the best and keep a diary. Well done for being courageous too. Cheers B
Frankly, I don't care what drugs or substances you take to fight your prostate cancer. I wish you the best of luck with them. I would, however, ask what medical qualifications you possess so that we may assess what credibility to give your claims. Most of all though, may I suggest that your carry out your testing quietly, and only come on here once you are able to provide positive results? A lot of those with cancer are vulnerable and therefore susceptible to any suggestion of one substance or another that might help to keep them alive, but which could ultimately end in tears, or damage to their body.
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