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My discussion with chatGPT about senescence in PC induced by radiation and chemotherapy.

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Q. Can adt cause senescence?

A. Androgen deprivation therapy (ADT) primarily aims to reduce or block male hormones like testosterone that fuel prostate cancer growth. While ADT can significantly shrink tumors and lead to remission in many cases, it does not directly cause cellular senescence. However, it can influence the cancer cells' behavior and potentially induce senescence indirectly.

Cellular senescence is a state where cells stop dividing and enter a form of permanent growth arrest but remain metabolically active. In the context of prostate cancer, ADT can create a more favorable environment for senescence in some cancer cells by depriving them of the hormones they rely on for growth. This can lead to a reduction in the number of actively dividing cancer cells. However, this effect can vary based on individual responses and cancer characteristics.

In summary, while ADT doesn't directly cause cellular senescence, its effects on cancer cells can sometimes lead to senescence as part of its broader impact on tumor growth and survival.

Q. Is senescence a buzz word ?

A. "Senescence" is not just a buzzword; it's a well-established biological concept. In the context of cancer and aging, it refers to a state where cells stop dividing and enter a state of growth arrest. This process can have significant implications for both normal aging and cancer progression.

In cancer research, understanding senescence is crucial because it can influence tumor behavior and response to treatment. For instance, some cancer therapies can induce senescence in tumor cells, leading to their permanent growth arrest. Conversely, in some cases, senescent cells might contribute to inflammation and tumor progression if they remain in the body and secrete factors that affect the tumor microenvironment.

So, while the term might sometimes be used broadly or in marketing contexts, it has a solid scientific basis and relevance in research and clinical settings.

Q. Permanent senescence ? What is it?

A. Permanent senescence, also known as replicative senescence, is a state where cells enter a phase of irreversible growth arrest. In this state, cells stop dividing and cannot re-enter the cell cycle, though they remain metabolically active. This process occurs as a natural response to various stressors, such as DNA damage, telomere shortening, or oncogenic signaling.

Key features of permanent senescence include:

1. **Growth Arrest**: Cells in permanent senescence do not undergo further cell division.

2. **Altered Function**: While senescent cells are metabolically active, they often exhibit altered functions and may secrete various factors (collectively known as the senescence-associated secretory phenotype, or SASP) that can affect neighboring cells and tissues.

3. **Resistance to Apoptosis**: Senescent cells are generally resistant to programmed cell death, which means they can persist in tissues for extended periods.

4. **DNA Damage Response**: Permanent senescence is often triggered by severe DNA damage or stress, leading to the activation of pathways that enforce growth arrest.

In cancer research, the induction of permanent senescence in tumor cells can be a therapeutic strategy, as it prevents cancer cell proliferation. However, the persistence of senescent cells can sometimes lead to chronic inflammation and other issues that may impact overall treatment outcomes.

Q. How could parp inhibitors influence the senescent cells?

A. PARP inhibitors primarily target poly(ADP-ribose) polymerase (PARP) enzymes involved in DNA repair processes. They are used mainly to treat cancers with defective DNA repair mechanisms, such as those with BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutations. Their impact on senescent cells can be multifaceted:

1. **Induction of Senescence**: By inhibiting PARP, these drugs can further impair DNA repair in cancer cells, potentially leading to increased DNA damage. This can push damaged cells into a state of senescence as a defense mechanism to prevent them from dividing and spreading.

2. **Senescence in Tumor Cells**: In tumors with existing DNA repair deficiencies, PARP inhibitors can induce or enhance senescence in cancer cells by exacerbating their inability to repair DNA. This can contribute to tumor control by halting cancer cell proliferation.

3. **Impact on Senescent Cell Behavior**: In addition to inducing senescence, PARP inhibitors might affect the behavior of already senescent cells. For instance, they could influence the senescence-associated secretory phenotype (SASP), potentially altering the inflammatory environment created by senescent cells.

4. **Therapeutic Considerations**: The effect of PARP inhibitors on senescent cells might vary depending on the context. In some cases, promoting senescence in tumor cells can be beneficial for treatment. However, in other contexts, the presence of senescent cells and their SASP might lead to unintended effects, such as chronic inflammation, which could impact overall health and treatment outcomes.

Overall, while PARP inhibitors are not specifically designed to target senescence, their influence on DNA repair mechanisms can have secondary effects on the induction and behavior of senescent cells.

Q. Do senescent prostate cancer cells produce PSA?

A. Senescent prostate cancer cells can still produce PSA (prostate-specific antigen), although the level and extent of PSA production might be altered compared to proliferating cancer cells.

Senescence is characterized by a state of growth arrest where cells are no longer dividing, but they can remain metabolically active and continue to express various proteins. PSA production in prostate cancer cells is primarily driven by androgen signaling, which can continue to some extent in senescent cells, especially if they retain functional androgen receptors or other pathways that influence PSA expression.

In the context of prostate cancer, detecting PSA levels can be challenging because PSA production is not solely indicative of active tumor growth. Senescent cells, although not proliferating, may still contribute to PSA levels in the bloodstream. This means that while PSA levels can be used to monitor disease progression, they may not always accurately reflect the presence or activity of senescent cancer cells.

Q. Can the senescent prostate cancer cells express psma?

A. Senescent prostate cancer cells can potentially express PSMA (prostate-specific membrane antigen), though this expression might differ from that in actively proliferating cancer cells. PSMA is a cell surface protein that is often used as a marker for prostate cancer and is targeted in imaging and therapeutic approaches.

Senescent cells, including prostate cancer cells, may retain the ability to express certain proteins, including PSMA, even though they are in a state of growth arrest. However, the level of PSMA expression and its functional relevance might vary:

1. **Expression Levels**: The level of PSMA expression in senescent cells may be reduced or altered compared to actively growing cancer cells. The exact changes can depend on various factors, including the specific signaling pathways involved and the degree of cellular senescence.

2. **Functional Role**: While PSMA expression may continue in senescent cells, its role and functional impact might be different from that in proliferating cells. Senescent cells can still participate in various biological processes, including potentially contributing to the tumor microenvironment.

3. **Diagnostic and Therapeutic Implications**: The continued expression of PSMA in senescent prostate cancer cells could be relevant for diagnostic imaging and treatment targeting PSMA. However, the presence of senescent cells and their contribution to PSA levels or imaging signals should be interpreted with caution, as they might not directly reflect active tumor growth.

In summary, senescent prostate cancer cells can express PSMA, but the extent and implications of this expression can vary.

Q. "the presence of senescent cells and their contribution to PSA levels" did you really mean PSMA?

A. Yes, I meant to refer to **PSMA** (prostate-specific membrane antigen) in that context, not PSA (prostate-specific antigen). The presence of senescent cells and their contribution to **PSMA** levels is what should be carefully interpreted, especially when considering diagnostic imaging or therapies targeting PSMA.

Thank you for catching that. The key point is that while senescent prostate cancer cells can still express PSMA, the level and functional significance might differ from that in actively proliferating cells, which can impact both diagnosis and treatment strategies.

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Cellular senescence: a double-edged sword in cancer therapy:

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Interesting post! I had this discussion with multiple real doc's some seven years ago after my unsuccessful salvage RT and was part of the reason I went for salvage extended pelvic lymph node surgery instead of the STAMPEDE trial. After my ePLND, which resulted in uPSA nadir of <0.010, I did one year of bicalutamide as added insurance - that completed in April 019.

Four years ago the < dropped and my uPSA began a slow stable rise, been holding 0.03X range past three years.

As shared in my recent post, at uPSA 0.033, my latest Pylarify PSMA indicates a 2.3 x 2 cm hypotenuse liver lesion and concurrent GUARDANT360 liquid blood biopsy detected TP53 R248Q mutation.

Did the bicalutamide trigger senescence? Did my remaining prostate cancer change, reducing PSA production? Hopefully, upcoming liver MRI and biopsy will provide clear diagnosis. I am hoping for but not betting on simple liver cyst.

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Seasid in reply to NanoMRI

I really don't know. I just became aware about prostate cancer cells senescence after radiation and chemotherapy etc. I just started to research it with chatGPT and Google. Hopefully your oncologist will be able to give you a better answer. Sometimes it is good that we know what to ask.

I am researching senescence because it looks that after early docetaxel chemotherapy six years ago (I am polymetastatic I have a distant metastasis even in my neck) all my metastasis disappeared, not visible on the PSMA pet/ CT scan with contact, FDG scan, Bone scan, but now it looks like that I am in trouble to decide what to choose for my next treatment.

Apparently the cancer is not killed just driven into a state of senescence and sooner or later it could come back and kill me. Nobody knows when and how and what should I do to avoid that.

It looks that Abiraterone plus Prednisone is not recommended but I know a member here who also had an early docetaxel chemotherapy and he is doing fine on Abiraterone. Ok, he added after ADT failed at PSA 1 Bicalutamide to the ADT drug and was on it about 19 months if I good remember. Therefore it is maybe rubbish to say that Abiraterone will not work.

I am in Australia and here if after early docetaxel chemotherapy you start with Abiraterone and it fails than you are stuck because the PBS will not pay you anything from that point. Therefore it is in your interest to start with enzalutamide but because I am on bicalutsmide now and there is a possible cross resistance between bicalutsmide and enzalutamide I don't know what to do next.

Maybe the best would be for me to do a PSMA pet CT scan with contrast and irradiate with sbrt radiation any visible metastasis if it is safe to do so with the MRI linac machine?

Or maybe I could start paying privately for generic Abiraterone and hope that if it fails that my oncologist can prescribe enzalutamide?

I have to think about this senescence issue because I can't rely on doctors. Everyone was pushing me into Bone strengthening medication but I avoided that because I did my own research and decided to start only when I am castrate resistant.

I was just wondering if Abiraterone is not anymore recommended just because it is available as a generic medication?

ChatGPT recommended me to switch to a different ADT drug. Therefore I would need to switch from Firmagon monthly injections to Zoladex. I don't really know if it will work but I now started to think about physical castration.

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Janhpr in reply to Seasid

Read my husbands bio diagnosed 2008, I watched a web conference on health unlocked with Pro Michael Hofman from Melbourne. We paid privately for 6 Lutetium 177 at Genesis Windsor, avid PSMA, with good results zapped most mets and reduced others and PSA 1. It disappointingly gave limited time. I emailed Michael Hofman a couple of times, asking if he should have further treatments which he said might only give 50% of the time had, and also his words ‘financial toxicity, I do believe that they do trials at his hospital. My husband since had 4 treatments of R223 stopped because of progression in coccyx and severe bone pain, on opioids.

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