Alternative clinics

[OSUBuckeyes71]

Has anyone here gone to an alternative clinic and/or used alternative therapies/protocols?

[Darryl Partner]

try searching here for posts about specific complimentary and experimental ideas about treatments. There are several thousand such posts and replies. You can read your way through the archives too

[GoBucks]

Can't give you any answer but will note 1971 was a bad year for our Buckeyes.

[allie2020 in reply to GoBucks]

Was it that bad of a year? The team I played on beat them in Columbus but it was a very tough game. I was happy Brockington, Kern, Tatum et al were gone.

[GoBucks in reply to allie2020]

Any season with 4 losses is a bad one, especially when you lose the last 3 in a row. Are you a Wildcat, Buffalo or Sparty?

[dhccpa in reply to GoBucks]

True, but Woody made up for that with his own performance during the Michigan game

[irakor]

My husband has been on alternative treatment since 2008 (diagnosed in 2007). Now he is mostly on alternative treatment (he started Lupron in 2016 and Casodex 50 mg once a week 4 months ago). He is 83 now.

[OSUBuckeyes71 in reply to irakor]

What is he taking?

[middlejoel in reply to OSUBuckeyes71]

Casodex 50 mg once per week? or per day?

[NecessarilySo]

I have self administered various alternative treatments to mets, using lycopenes, heat, and magnets. Other things like baking soda, apricot seeds, and garlic had little or no effect. Lupron seems to slow them down, but other things, in conjunction with Lupron, kill them.

[dhccpa in reply to NecessarilySo]

I don't know where you got that last sentence, but I'm delighted to read it.

Anything in particular? I've been on Lupron 4.5 years.

[NecessarilySo in reply to dhccpa]

It's mostly from my own studies. There's this sciencedirect.com/science/a...

and my latest writeup:

I'll be happy to pass on whatever you need to know. I am doing several things and they were complex in the beginning but now they are down to more or less routine.

First is hot showers. I believe that was what eliminated the metastasis spots on my skull in 2016. I had a few spots on my skull that showed on scans, (no pain). I used very hot water on my skull, during a shower, which I did not measure temperature for but now I would estimate it was in the range of 110 to 120 degrees. I have since bought thermometers but they no longer work, broken or dead batteries. The one I use lately is like a dial with a metal probe, a cooking thermometer. i understand now what it takes, and how that range of temperatures feels. It is painful, but I use the very hot shower method for short periods, so it is a bit painful, but tolerable. When I used it for skull mets, years ago, I usually used it for a count to 25. "One million, two million, three million, etc." It is not the hottest temperature on the shower valve, but I guess I can define it as very hot. It feels annoying but it does not burn. It turns my skin red for a short period, and then leaves no side effects.

Every shower valve is different but, in the US, they are required by law to limit the temperature to 120 degrees F. Also the water heater at my home is set at normal. I have measured the temperature and I have pretty much learned how to make it "very hot" most of the time, without actually measuring the temperature with a thermometer.

One of the spots on my skull kept recurring, (a lymph node behind my left ear), and it caused headaches when it grew. So I used a more powerful heat method and after months of recurrences, I used a hot 2.5 pound weight from my barbell set. I put in boiling water in a frypan, then cooled it to roughly 150 F. Then I wrapped it in a kitchen towel and put under my head, on my pillow. The towel allows moderation of the heat. The objective was to get the temperature inside my skin and to the skull bone level up to 110F for an extended period of time. Often it was unbearably hot so I lifted my head for a short time and then lowered my head. The barbell weight stayed at very hot temperatures for a long time, ten minutes or so. Each time I did that, the headaches vanished and the pain disappeared...for days or weeks. But it took several attempts to eliminate it entirely. I have not had recurrence of that spot in many months, perhaps a year now. I believe it is gone, and the cancer cells have died, and that problem is solved. Just to be sure, I heat with very hot shower occasionally.

In 2022 I had two remaining pain spots on my body, side rib and spine T9 between shoulder blades, which I have treated similarly, several times, with hot showers. The pains have come and gone, for years. They are deeper below the skin than the skull mets. The hot barbell weight and showers did cause their pain to go away temporarily, but they kept coming back pretty regularly every couple of weeks. In the end of 2022 I applied magnets, and they seem to have gone for good. (Correction, April '23 they are back, so I'm treating with heat.)

As for the magnet method, I taped five 3/4" diameter refrigerator magnets together to make a sort of patch, which I taped on the rib lesion. It seems that after two days the magnets somehow kill the cancer cells. This is a bit complex. One MUST use the north-pointing face of the magnets against the skin. I hang the magnets with a string in a doorway and the south face points north. That is important. Apply the south face to the skin. (S=skin) The size of the magnet patch must be greater than the size of the tumor. If not, the tumor will multiply over time.

As for lycopenes, I also drink a quarter cup of low sodium V8 juice (sometimes Gac juice), every morning, sometimes more frequently. And I have lycopene pills that I empty in cooking pretty much once every day. Those pills are 20 mg I believe. I believe I am keeping my blood lycopene level up, with about 50 mg per day total. Lycopene slows the growth of tumors and might kill PC cells.

I am also taking Lupron injections quarterly, and that deserves due credit. My PSA has been constant, <0.1, for almost 3 years. It had risen to 36 after a four year vacation from lupron three years ago. I was taking Lupron intermittently starting in 2012 when I was first diagnosed with "advanced" PC. At that time I had two sore spots, near the location of the biopsy, tailbone and rectum. They disappeared after using Lupron and lycopene consumption, for about a month. I believe that by augmenting the Lupron with other modes of attack, cancer cells and tumors can be eliminated permanently.

[dhccpa in reply to NecessarilySo]

Thanks have done those things except the magnets.

[dhccpa in reply to NecessarilySo]

Have you tried these?

MagnetRX® Magnetic Acupressure Patches - Ultra Strength Healing Magnets for Body - 3,500 Gauss Acupressure Magnetic Plaster (20 Pack) a.co/d/bPuUB2k

[NecessarilySo in reply to dhccpa]

No I have'nt. Looks good. I've had trouble with tape. Maybe that's the answer?

[dhccpa in reply to NecessarilySo]

Yes I assume so. Did you mean your Mets disappeared from your scans or just that the pain from them went away?

[NecessarilySo in reply to dhccpa]

The pain has gone away. I have not had scans for a few years. Last scan did show lymph node on my neck, which at the time had pain. It no longer has any indication of being there. I have had dozens of pain spots from swollen lymph nodes in my , neck, and head, also tailbone, and rib and spine. I believe I have eliminated them between doctor visits. Pain spots are not much. detectable by pressing a finger on them.

[dhccpa in reply to NecessarilySo]

In my case, I've never had pain from my Mets. Hot showers followed by cold showers caused my bones to ache early on then the aches disappeared. But the Mets appear on scans, although I'm overdue for a PET scan now.

[NecessarilySo in reply to dhccpa]

I can't explain that, as the growth of cancer cells causes inflammation, which leads to pain. In my case, if I consume lycopenes, the pain is reduced, temporarily, probably due to decreased growth/inflammation. If I abstain from lycopenes, temporarily, I can determine locations/sizes of tumors better. Lycopene seems to work while in the small intestine, roughly six hours after ingestion. Therefore I try to include some form of it in each meal.

[j-o-h-n in reply to NecessarilySo]

to NecessarilySo

All I can say.... it must be "NecessarilySo"

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Monday 05/01/2023 10:26 PM DST

[Lrv44221 in reply to NecessarilySo]

Thank you for telling us about your therapies. I too, the wife and nutritional practitioner, believe there might be many ways to treat PCa other than what we are given with our Oncologists. I believe we all are different, have different immune systems and mind sets. I am going to see if my acupuncture dr has any magnets as that sounds great.

Again, thank you for your thoughts. 💜

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Lrv44221]

believe there might be many ways to treat PCa other than what we are given with our Oncologists.

Can you find it in you to trust medical science? Your words are like a Freudian slip. You say treat it other than what we are given. Why cant you say treat it along with what we are given.

[Lrv44221 in reply to CAMPSOUPS]

you’re absolutely right. My wording was terrible

I’m going to try to word thing’s better

Thanks so much for helping me 🌸

[dhccpa]

Never been to a clinic but have used or done numerous alternative things/protocols.

[Derf4223]

Rewording your post a bit "Has anyone here gone to an alternative clinic and/or used alternative therapies/protocols _that_ _cured_ _their_ _PCa?

PCa is a multi-headed hydra nest.

Some people get the type that goes nowhere, take whatever they fancy to treat it, and conclude it cured their PCa.

Metastatic APCa is a whole other merciless beast that laughs at "alternative treatments" and burns its way through medication effectiveness over time, The proven alt+SoC treatments are to eat vegan, exercise daily (both cardio and lifting), lose weight, have lucky genes, die from something else, etc.

The hydra does not like people who do this.

If you or someone you know has mAPCa, relying on alt treatments alone is like standing on a busy interstate lane with an umbrella for protection from oncoming heavy trucks.

Is someone in your circle afraid of SoC (ie standard of care, ie NCCN guidelines)? PCa SoC is nothing at all like SoC treatments for all other cancers. Surgery is rare and low risk, radiation is very precise, medications have manageable side effects, ... The sooner someone diagnosed with PCa gets SoC treatment, the longer they are likely to live with decent QoL.

[j-o-h-n]

I don't give a damn about the whole state of Ohio...🎸🎼🎵♬ Sung by Woody....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Monday 05/01/2023 10:16 PM DST