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alternative application for cannabis in mental well being for cancer patients.

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Cannabis is legal in 21 states and Canada nowadays and generally available for cancer patients in most places. Most can drive to a location to get the raw material if need be.

The aim of this article is to use cannabis as a daily pill ( one or two ) you take that doesn’t make you high ( maybe a little ) but acts as a uplifting mind salve to improve your gloomy Debbie downer days. Remember the 60’s when the stones sang about “ run to the cupboard for mothers little helpers ( Valium ) “. Well this is along those lines. Similar to micro dosing. This is a how to with pictures.

1. The raw material, buy buds .. or shake .. or non beauty buds ( more affordable ) of a pure Sativa strain. Doesn’t matter which but should be pure …not 60/40 or Indica at all.

2. Break the buds up in to small pencil eraser or smaller pieces, discard the stems and connector branches …. Then line a cookie sheet with the bud material. Next preset your oven to 220 degrees Fahrenheit …. Put the cookie sheet in the oven for 40 minutes…. Then remove to cool off. This step is vital as it decarbs ( decarboxylation ) the buds changing all the tha Alkaloid into edible thc alkaloid.

3. Put the decarbed buds , a few at a time into the stainless steel kitchen, fine mesh, strainer ( see photo ) and “ rub “ - “ massage “ them thru the strainer suspended over a bowl . This step makes the buds into a fine flour. See photo for the plastic Xtandi bottle with the flour in it.

4. Encapsulating the material. Use a 00 size cap-m-quick ( or similar, there are many.. see photo ) …. and 00 size gel caps ( see photo ) . Spread your first layer and compress it with the tool. Then make a second fill that you do not compress, it’s a loose layer. 00 gel caps weigh around .115 to .125 grams empty. After you finish, your gel caps should weigh around .200 to .215 grams . That’s a total product weight in the neighborhood of 215 mg per cap….. about 100mg of bud. Remember that the goal here is to make a product that does NOT make you noticeably stoned. If your bud is too powerful, omit the compression fill step and just make the caps with a loose fill. Obviously if you have a bud with lower thc content, make the cap with compression tool 2 or 3 times. The final product will look like the capsules on the white paper towel.

notes: it takes a lot of bud to make a little flour, buying non beauty ( but still powerful ) buds or high grade shake will save you money. The final decarbed product is “ concentrated “ cannabis flour and exhibits the characteristics of all the bud that went into making it. It’s powerful stuff in a smaller space.if you get stoned or notice the high, cut back on the capsule fill ..if not enough, bud too low grade … then take two caps etc.

Short of the easy dosing and convenience of using capsules , you can weigh out .100 to .200 mg of decarbed product ( a microgram scale …see photo … is under $40 on Amazon ) into a 2 oz plastic disposable soufflé cup … put a dab of peanut butter on a spoon and crush it into the product in the cup until all the product is stuck into the peanut butter and simply eat it. It’s more work and more complicated in the long run … but you can premeasure cups of 100mg … 150mg … or 200 mg etc. and put a lid on them ( like gel shots ) and prepare them that way. It’s important to get a known measured amount to have equal doses every time.

hope this is useful … you can take one at night at bedtime and wake up refreshed and upbeat. Take one in the morning for a fresh morning and one near supper time for a smoother evening.

PLEASE NOTE : decarbed cannabis flour can take as long as one to three hours to take effect when eaten, eat it early or keep that in mind when using it later in the day.

Hope this is useful to my brothers out there and their adult families …distressed wives or adult children can benefit from this product as well

love ya guys

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Kaliber

picture of buds broken up ready to go into the oven for the decarb process

As an alternative thought to my above post, you can substitute a pure indica strain instead in the sativa strain … this to make “ sedative “ capsules to help with rest, sleep or taking naps. The process would be the same, only the type of bud would change.

Buds ready for decarb oven
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Dog_man in reply to Kaliber

Kaliber:

Thanks for the post. I was wondering when someone was going to post on this topic. Your recipe is likely a bit too "involved" for most I fear. I would recommend the use of THC and CBD oils in the form of "tinctures" (small bottles with eyedropper caps). Just squeeze a few drops under your tongue. Takes 15 seconds. I currently reside in Atlanta Georgia (USA) and as such, there are significant limitations in terms of access to THC oils. Interestingly, my traditional doctors do not know anything about THC/CBD oils as a pain management tool - my Internist, my MO, my Back/Spine surgeon, my Neurologist, my Radiation Oncologist, my Urologist. Yes, I have many very good doctors. I just keep getting prescriptions for more pills.

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Kaliber in reply to Dog_man

seems like I’m very good at making something simple …complicated. It’s the biomedical engineer in me I guess.

You just toast some bud , screen or mortar it and use it. That’s it at its essence. Put some in peanut butter and eat it . Yayahahahaya

Out here where you can buy cannabis virtually in corner stores, the array of cannabis products is dizzying . You can access all the shops on-line and even have your purchase delivered to your driveway in 40 minutes.

If you got into one of the bigger cannabis supermarkets here , you’d probably mind boggle …all the products … it makes your head spin, plus all the products you never even thought of yet yayahahahaya.

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to Kaliber

I like the detail. A guy never knows what he might be missing so detail is good.

This is a no brainer though pretty much as long as you got the harvested plants.

Are there any debates regarding de-carb temp and or time?

De carb seems to happen pretty much with little intervention other than standard temp and time.

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Kaliber in reply to CAMPSOUPS

oven decarbing is pretty much standardized these days , used to be several thoughts on it, but 220/40 seems to have become the standard.

you probably also know that decarbing is accomplished / enhanced with storage, kinda like aging wine. Most people don’t have the quantities of product to allow them to do long term storage , so little is ever mentioned. No ability to resist consumption yayahahahaya. Standard aging …hanging in vented room - brown paper bags - mason jars is pretty much standard ….but additionally is vacuum pak-ing with a foodsaver and long term bunker / safe storage for 1 1/2 to 3 years or more is the protracted route to connoisseur grade buds only held by growers , usually. No profit margin , commercially, in that aging treatment. No one will pay $500 for an OZ of private grower grade bud.

Just break it up …pop it in an over 220f - 40 minutes. That’s it….it’s now activated - edible.

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johnscats in reply to Dog_man

That's what I do I have machine Wich heats and then I add olive oil not virgin oil and it makes an infusion in about two hours strain and put into dropper bottle no smell no mess me happy wife happy 😊

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spencoid2 in reply to Kaliber

i made some high indica flour and it helped with sleep but i misplaced the pot and need to get another bag. how i could lose a half pound of pot is amazing. Might have gotten mixed up with other stuff. People are giving me pot all the time. It is so prevalent now.

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Kaliber in reply to spencoid2

yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. This has become a fun social-ish post. I went to a friends house once , he was smoking a joint when I got there. After a while of conversation, he started to roll another joint and his Tupperware tub was empty. He accused “ me “ of smoking it all .. yayaha yayahahahaya. I eat it , don’t even smoke it. Guess I could have eaten it all yayahahahaya. 😂😂😂

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One-Eyed-Jack

Show us how to make Moon Rock.

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Kaliber in reply to One-Eyed-Jack

ewwwwwww … the abomination of all Cannabis products. Yayahahahaya. It’s generally a combination of prettty but trichomes-less nothing dud buds ( grown by inexperienced growers that don’t know when to harvest properly ) sprayed / wetted with a rough hash oil and rolled , while still wet, in your low grade kief left over from trimming your bud harvest.

I’ve made them in quantities before , trying to help fellow growers out of a hard spot. I can tell you how , if you really want ….. but IMHO

kief makes a better product if compressed into hash coins by those little hand presses available on Amazon. Much better and tasty by far. Kief is wasted if removed from good buds , and probably not good grade if removed from immature buds. Cinnamon kief gummy bears are a treasure yayahahahaya.

Normal Hash oil is harsh but about 65% thc … way better smoked on a dab rig than wasted on dud buds. Hash oil “ still “ has to be decarbed if eaten in edible products.

If you have a bushel or three of dud buds , they still are harvestable by making them into hash oil using the iso alcohol method. Sometimes , if borderline, the buds can be salvaged into a oakie-doakie product by using the “ flour “ process I outlined . It is a concentration process that can pay off.

Just my 2cents worth.

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One-Eyed-Jack in reply to Kaliber

You really need to come down here in South Texas. You would be the king of cool.

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Kaliber in reply to One-Eyed-Jack

uh … been there done that yayahahahaya. Lived in Belton - Killeen 12 years. Married my wife of 44 years there. Father in law had a fishing property at Falcon Lake … spent a considerable amount of time down there. Practically lived in the Armadillo World Headquarters , the River Walk and Mexico on weekends. Texas is kewl when you get used to it, but I’m more of the California type than Texas type. I’ve got “ Texas “ stories for months yayahahahaya. Just say’in. 😂😂😂

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to Kaliber

If not for Kief what would be of our Reef. There are grinders that separate it but yea I prefer it on my buds too. Get the entire spectrum of effect.

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Kaliber in reply to CAMPSOUPS

kief adds many ( most ? ) of the species Turpines effect. Removing it diminishes the quality of the bud some Imho. I used to collect those little 35 mm film cans of kief from each species I grew. Saved in the freezer , those film cans retained the beautiful bud aroma for several years. Jack Heurer one of the most dreamy smells in a can. I still think about it.

Turpienes is a kinda new and bigtime “ thing “ these days. You can buy piles of “ terpene “ kits on Amazon and “ modify “ buds …. even ole dud buds , into what seems like totally something else. Drop a couple drops on your pre roll and Presto , you are smoking white widow or NY Diesel. Yayahahahaya times have really changed.

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tango65

One problem with THC and CBD products is that they may interact with the metabolism of other meds old people with hypertension, arrhythmias, diabetes etc. and PC may be taken.

It is difficult to search about interactions because CBD and THC are not drugs approved by the FDA and they do not appear in the drug interactions search pages.

One way to get around this problem is to use Epidiolex and Marinol drugs approved by the FDA and pretty similar to CBD and THC in the search page.

For example a search webmd page:

"Abiraterone will increase the level or effect of Cannabidiol by altering drug metabolism."

"Cannabidiol will increase the level or effect of Apalutamide by slowing drug metabolism."

"Enzalutamide will decrease the level or effect of Dronabinol (THC similar) by altering drug metabolism."

Search your drugs interaction if you have to take CBD or THC.

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Cyclingrealtor in reply to tango65

I have been taking some edibles at night to help reduce anxiety sleep through the night better. I have only done this about 7 - 10 times at this point. I am only on Lupron.

Anything you are aware of around this?

Thanks!

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tango65 in reply to Cyclingrealtor

They do not interact with Lupron.

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Kaliber in reply to tango65

we should always ask our medical team about supplements or other drugs we intend to use, that’s always a given. Especially coffee and tea , aspirin etc.

Medical marijuana is prescribed by UCSF , S.F. , MSK and numerous other cancer centers of excellence. This cannabis application uses very small amounts of cannabis. The plant material is 100 mg net …. A concentration of , say, 26% thc cannabis concentration means that about .026 grams … 26 mg of alkaloid is present.

Thanks for your post with great detailed Interactions with other drugs.

Best wishes

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Dog_man in reply to tango65

Tango65: Thanks for that heads up. I will try to locate more information on the interactions you mention.

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kainasar

Indica strains are often listed with highly rated pain reducing, and relaxation effects. Some claim indica strains reduce anxiety, and insomnia.

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WSOPeddie in reply to kainasar

Your mileage may vary. I smoked a Granddaddy Purple joint. Pure indica. It put me right to sleep but I ended up dreaming so furiously that I woke myself up. Plenty of strains to try. One hard to find strain that I found super uplifting is called 'Moose and Lobsta'.

solevowellness.com/granddad...

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Kaliber in reply to WSOPeddie

oh yea .. purples are fun to grow because they have such dense flowers in hydro. The flower aroma is killer too. I think purples are some of the prettiest and tastiest buds. Love that …. moose and lobsta … kewl names , funny too.

I’ll b right over , yayahahahaya.

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to Kaliber

How it looks after I've partaken in some. Or maybe this is after some shrooms lol.

hypnotic
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Kaliber in reply to CAMPSOUPS

beautiful…. For forever, purple didn’t seem to exist. After the clones became wide spread , everyone , understandably, wanted them. Never met a purple that i didn’t like yayahahahaya. Yes brother …

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CAMPSOUPS

Thanks yes indeed.

Well explained. Yea for me the mood is more critical so I am with you for straight Sativa but I can understand those who would prefer Indica for sleep etc. Even with Sativa there is a "wear off" or transition time where it goes into a relaxed, limber, easy to sleep transition eventually.

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westof

Hey Brother K!! (or brother 151, inside joke😉)...

Just read your "recipe" (I'm bleary eyed now😵) and lets just say were not talking "Betty Crocker" here!!

Is this your research team???

Best and💝

AJ

Chernobyl monitors...
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Kaliber in reply to westof

that is a similar picture of my home version of the same thing ….. you have one of these in your garage too don’t you.

Nuclear fusion
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WSOPeddie in reply to Kaliber

I'd post a pic of a heavily instrumented gas turbine engine in a test cell but they might not appreciate it. I manned the control system. Let's light this candle. Copy that.

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Kaliber in reply to WSOPeddie

oh yea …. That’d be fun … firing that sucker up on a test stand or stall. Wooohoooo. I watched a flight of a Saturn V back in the 60’s. It looked and felt like the gates of hell firing off. almost orgasamistic to experience that kind of power. That gas turbine had to be a lot of fun…. Excitement. Pretty kewl …

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WSOPeddie in reply to Kaliber

Control room protected by heavy glass windows looking out at the 'test article'. Team effort, very much reminiscent of a launch monitoring room, with many specialists watching their computer screens monitoring the data coming in and the test engineer overseeing the testing regime for that day. Everyone wearing their headphones/mics. Suspense and excitement as the throttle pushed up towards max power. How close is it getting towards the 'surge line'? Fun times.

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Kaliber in reply to WSOPeddie

yep … I’ve been involved in several of those amazing and sometimes scary things too. I once serviced the high bay giant pneumatic doors ( Stanley automatic doors ) back in the early ‘60s … at the Cape Canaveral high bay rocket storage building. I got to see some control room action a number of times…. Seems like excited personnel would damage their door opening floor mats in the excitement of a launch or test firing, ( probably drop something heavy on it and bent the plates ) plus I had to ( seems like ) constantly adjust the closing pressure in those giant 10 story gantry doors to keep the “ positive pressure “ building atmosphere intact. I used to have to walk by an open hanger with a U-2 plane in it, to get to the high bay building. After a few trips , the marines guarding the U-2 became used to me ( very high security at that time ) and allowed me to see the massive camera and something “ special “ about the front of the aircraft, something surprising. When it lifted off , the wing wheels just plain fell off it, leaving only one wheel underneath when landing. Wild manly stuff. Yayahahahaya

Plus I’ve been in the control room of a huge active “ breeder reactor “ …looking down into the core with bright blue light streaming out of it. ( the glass is radiation proof ). The floor trembling, building vibrating, fear sweat pouring off control room engineers faces yayahahahaya Manly fun ….tharze something about all that massive power that is intoxicating, isn’t it ?

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WSOPeddie in reply to Kaliber

Right. Not just a job, an adventure that few other people experience.

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Kaliber in reply to westof

it’s just basically baking in the oven for 20 minutes and busting / the bud into very tiny bits. If you baked it and smashed it in a mortar or screened it , you’re there yayahahahaya. I just have a too technical way of expressing it.

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London441

I have perfected my cannabis dosing after years of calibration, zero.

I respect your enthusiasm, but I admit I don’t miss spending my time or money on it. I manage my moods in other ways.

It did take 15 years of smoking daily to sort it though, so there’s that. Lest I seem sanctimonious 😀

Enjoy, my brothers.

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Kaliber in reply to London441

rotflol ….. I hear that brother. I never smoke it , I eat it instead …. Or used to anyway. I don’t consume cannabis anymore, I’d like to but Im very heavily randomly drug tested. Had a massive three page , three different panels of tests …blood and urine , just last week. It’s part of my Kaiser contract to be able to get my opiates. I do all the current cannabis stuff for my wife . She has serious lower back scoliosis with compressed discs and osteoarthritis. I do it to help her now.

I’m a retired hydro grower - provider for the now defunct ( disappeared a few years back when recreational use came into play ) Central Valley medical cannabis co-op. All of us growers were good friends , I could always make a call and a couple pounds of grower reserve buds ( not marketed ) would appear on my porch. It’s even easier now that I’m sick and dying with cancer. They over do it , feeling bad for me. Great friends for sure.

Like anything …. Long term constant use of cannabis can get old. Tolerance builds up, the shinny wears off, Etc. same with drinking … same with most things. I don’t blame you for moving on, it’s probably a good choice in your life. It would be for a number of people that I know … same with alcohol and other substances they abuse. I get it .

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Fightinghard

very helpful info buddy. Thanks for sharing the detailed instruction

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Kaliber in reply to Fightinghard

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Mrtroxely

I like the idea of CBD/thc in the body killing or hunting down the cancer cells. And physical healing properties.I don't like the idea of needing, making, formulating substances to help with dealing with the diagnosis?

Or to take the edge of gloomy situations?

Aren't there loads of court cases now of pharmaceutical companies pushing out opiates and getting people addicted?

People can get reliant on substances to help them deal with life?

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Kaliber in reply to Mrtroxely

it’s interesting the differences in perspectives. The thought of dangerous opiates / becoming addicted is something we’re are taught from childhood and in church. But “ addiction “ and downfalls related to addiction are thoughts rooted in the “ now - into the future “ kind of thinking.

When you remove the “ into the future “ part …then “ addiction “ becomes irrelevant….. just doesn’t apply. For many of us there are no expectations of “ future “ … we’re just lucky to have the here and now. Addiction concerns become a square peg in a constricting round hole when you are waking up mornings being surprised , feeling lucky that you did wake up.

The reality of this sickness could depress anyone , it’s a gloomy downer place to wake up in. In this case , the substances are helping people deal with “ death “ , not life actually. “ with life “ once again is a forward facing idea / reality . It’s apples and oranges.

The different perspectives are probably as numerous as the people perceiving them. The human element is infinitely complex and interesting.

Love brother

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addicted2cycling

Seriously a THANKS ALL!!! butt as for me I'll just get high on life and then kill myself before things get bad. Wife of 49 years knows and understands. p.s. - doesn't like it butt it's my life

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Kaliber in reply to addicted2cycling

yea I hear you. I’ve already been there once ( I’ll have to go there at least one more time ) …. I know , intimately, about that perspective. It’s a strong thought that I’ve experienced first hand. But I’ve discovered a couple of interesting things after having been there.

First, when DXed, my offer of care was immediate entry into hospice. I ( supposedly ) was a goner and it was time. Having “ no “ previous experience with any of this , I “ was “ thinking the same thing….I’ll go on my own terms rather than suffer ,things were already bad at that time , I just wasn’t having any more of that. Of course I didn’t know hospice would have made me comfortable as I perished. (/and still not all that confident )

I discovered , right then, that my desire to survive, desire to live was immense. …I opted to try something, anything, to claim a bit more life ( I’d had no treatments of any kind at that time ). I really really didn’t want to lie down and croak.

So I decided to try ADT instead of the urn. If I had gone with my first instinct, I would have scrubbed four years off my life ( so far and counting ) the point there is you can never be sure when it’s gonna happen. I’m due for a stroke or heart attack nowadays ( treatment issues ) , those strike fast at any time.

The other interesting thing is the “ when things get bad - suffering “ issue. It’d be easy for me to look at my screwed up circumstances and think “ that’s really crap, things are screwed “ and for sure a lot of that is true ……but ….. I’ve discovered that things being bad - suffering is a sliding scale, the human body and consciousness is a marvelously adaptable thing. After you “ suffer “ long enough, you adapt to it … it no longer seems like suffering because it is everyday life, I just shine it on. As long as you are mostly comfortable ( and I am thru opiate meds ) , it really doesn’t seem like “ all that “. Im still alive ( my main goal yayahahahaya) I’m fairly comfortable and I’m out with my wife enjoying great QOL experiences… the zoo, stays at nearby coastal resorts, hanging out in the giant redwoods ( also nearby ) enjoying culinary delights … my adapted hobbies. “ BAD” ? My perception of that kinda slides and is continually changing. This isn’t all that ” bad “ after my mind and lifestyle adjusted to it …..

All this is interesting stuff …the human experience, I’m just glad I’m still here and maintaining. I’m glad I didn’t “ do it “ …if you know what I mean ?

Of course this is just my own experience and perspective, everyone’s else’s will certainly be different, but it’s worth a 2nd thought though.

Just say’in

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spencoid2 in reply to Kaliber

Until one experiences life to the end (and it might be too late then) it is impossible to guess what each new experience, good or bad, might be like as your current perspective is different now from what it will be after more life lessons.

It was very difficult to "let my mother go" when it was determined that her various issues could be dealt with but individually but leaving little QOL. I am pretty confident that my mother and I (and the rest of the family) were in agreement about when to terminate life although Mom probably would have opted to do it sooner.

Hopefully if I am at that decision point I will have support.

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Kaliber in reply to spencoid2

I hear that …. I love what this post has transcended into … some great quality camaraderie - interchange. Does it get any better …. !!!!

Loss of my mom was the worse… she was killed during a robbery in her apartment in those high rises near the Queen Mary in Long Beach …back about 1975 or so. Mom's loss seem like the most heart wrenching don’t they …. That really sucks brother.

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spencoid2 in reply to Kaliber

when good, the mother son bond is amazing. i was lucky to have a great one, a bit obsessive but otherwise can find no fault with my Mom.

and yes some of the new threads are really helpful.

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Kaliber in reply to spencoid2

fully agree brother … the mom connection is powerful , even with bad moms too. The love of children for their mother is usually ultimately unconditional even in the worse of circumstances . Part of the rich texture of life.

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spencoid2 in reply to Kaliber

I was so lucky to have a really great mother. She had her own interests other than raising children and was quite social with a very wide variety of friends due to being involved with community theatre. She still found plenty of time to love her children and was also a great friend and confidant. I know that often leads to worse relationships later but not with my Mom.

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Kaliber in reply to spencoid2

moms are our first and forever love. ❤️❤️❤️

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DaveBSD

I've been taking THC tablets - 25mg each cut into quarters; sometimes just little bits chipped off of a quarter tablet, down to the point where I don't really feel any effects. Interestingly, I've found that either strain, Indica or Sativa, messes with my sleep. It's certainly a lot different than when I was in my late teens and early twenties when I smoked with friends. Maybe part of it was the social aspect. I'm a fairly new PC patient, having been diagnosed in May and given the wonderful news of being metastatic in July, so I'm taking the THC more for its potential anti-cancer properties. A lot of times I really don't give a crap about interactions, etc. - there are times when I'd pay to not wake up in the morning.

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Kaliber in reply to DaveBSD

pretty kewl .. what you are doing is exactly where this post was intended to go , small daily dose wise …and you are pointing out a great alternative way to get to the same place …. and much easier as well. Great stuff Dave .

I think most of us feel like you do sometimes …. So many reasons , perspectives can lead any one of us to “ that dark place “. While cannabis can help, I doubt its as suitable as Xanax or one of those new psyc drugs that some guys rave about here in the group. They love them ….they say they don’t notice them but stay reliably in a “ good place “ all the time. I don’t think I would hesitate a heart beat asking my pcp for a referral or prescription if I thought I need some help. Fortunately I’m kinda an unquenchable upbeat optimist for this period of my life … having had so much luck staying alive beating hospice. That darkness is just right over there tho … figuratively speaking ….I want to avoid letting it get back in my head as much as possible. There is still a lot of QOL things I want to do … trips to nearby coastal resorts, drive up and play in the deep snow with the redwoods, eat in that totally amazing new 3 star sea food restaurant that just opened up on Champlain . Fun trips on my etrike ( I can’t walk much , due to adt induced disability ) , like the pacific coast trail hike and bike in Monterey. I could drive that for miles. Letting that “ darkness “ in is a party pooper , Debbie downer ….that none of us needs or wants.

Hang in there brother and appraise your QOL possibilities locally and get out there and exhaust yourself …that QOL after glow lights up our darkness and makes our lives ever so much better. Doing it with loved ones makes more lives better too.

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DaveBSD in reply to Kaliber

I'd been through a series of jarring life events in the three years before my diagnosis, which has complicated my emotional state. The fact that I've needed antidepressants for years didn't help. There are some unrelated hurdles I still need to get past before I feel I can really start to enjoy life, and there are some things I know I'll never get to experience again that kind of bring me down, but somehow I guess I'll figure it out.

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Kaliber in reply to DaveBSD

sounds like you have already been thru a lot and now with this piled on top. It’s a lot. You’ve made it this far tho ….. that’s something. Enjoyment …QOL is relative thing ..subjective too. I know guys that simply get stoned and live a vicarious fun life thru their virtual reality googles. They use them for hours, on their living room couch. Totally lost in different realistic 3 definitional worlds. If you think about , there are a whopping lot of ways to do fun stuff that takes your mind off things for a while. Life changes all the time, esp for guys like us … if it forces us to reevaluate our lives and plump the fun up a little… that’s not a bad thing.

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spencoid2

Just a warning about cannabis and children. There is a lot of information suggesting that cannabis is not good for children because their brains are developing. If a child needs cannabis for serious medical issues like seizures, this should be considered or debunked.

Have no children so am not terribly concerned. My nephew killed himself in college and I am pretty sure that a lot of his mental issues were exacerbated by excessive self medication. His father who died of alcoholism gave him the addictive personality and Zach probably started pot at a very early age. There are so many drugs that Zack was selling taking etc that it is difficult to know which to blame. Personally I think it was the adderall that he was getting from multiple doctors but I can not rule out the effect of heavy cannabis use by a developing brain. Zack was so sweet and so smart but just could not handle his out of control brain. I miss him terribly. I provided pot to him but agreed to do so only after he was 21. I wanted him to have the best organic stuff if he was gong to use it.

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Kaliber in reply to spencoid2

I totally agree … speaking from personal experience, probably waiting until you are an established productive adult is even better. It sure made me lazy , I had to give it up for a long time to succeed in life. Giving children cannabis or any recreational drug is purely stupid , unacceptable.

I have no children as well. My 36 year old daughter fell over dead in front of her computer screen one Christ Eve a few years back. My grandson came out of his room Christmas morning to open his presents, found mom cold and turned blue , lividity set in. She died from SUDs … sudden unexpected death syndrome. Relationships can be so very heart wrenching sometimes … doncha think … it’s such a mess.

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yes if i were god (and i might be) i would have designed things differently. no complex relationships, dogs live as long as their masters and a few other things would be different.

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yayahahahaya Funny ..

how’s about reaching into my body , God , and casting out those evil tumors and Mets ….. might take a while, there are so many , but I’d appreciate it ever so much yayahahahaya yayahahahaya.

I’d be happy if you could banish aPCa forever big guy 😁😁😁😁

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sorry but i have not reached that level yet, still doing the mortal thing.

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oh drat … 😂😂😂

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please do not speak the name of the lord in vane, my name is Drat

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yea drat …. 😂😂😂

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spencoid2 in reply to Kaliber

that's better :)

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lol. … I want some of whatever it is you are smoking.

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actually i am of pot for a week 3 days before and 3 days after guided mushroom trip on Monday. with chemo and no alcohol or pot i feel more stoned than smoking.

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that sounds like a good thing , if the afterglow hangs in there for a while. You should keep us posted on what you thing the benefits are over a period of a couple - weeks or more. That sounds like interesting stuff .

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to Kaliber

When I reached the age of 30 I had a light bulb moment. "everything wasn't going to just fall into place and be ok. I would have to do something about it". So yea I was on hiatus too including alcohol from age of 30 to 41.

I hope you've healed some from the passing of your daughter. For me to say sorry to hear of it sounds a bit shallow but still Im sincere in that.

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thanks buddy … yea I’m over the big sorrow thing , but you love your children , ….. I try not thinking about her too much.

This has been a fun post that turned kinda into hey Comadre type thing too yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. Kewl …

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WSOPeddie

Another awesome post and very timely for me. I'll be dropping seeds for another winter garage grow here in the Phoenix area very soon. I still have mucho product from my last grow. I've been making joints and smoking it. I've wanted to explore making edibles and thought I'd have to go through the challenging process of making gummies -- if I could even get there. I know smoking isn't the best idea. This idea of decarbing the material and then cramming it into capsules has to be the simplest way of getting there. I've had the experience with a particular strain of feeling the clouds of neurosis part and thinking -- oh this is what normal is. I certainly become far less judgmental. So I might be crazy but I'm hoping for a spiritual or healing benefit from indulging.

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capsules don’t have much weight …. About 1/10 of a gram, not much of a debilitating high yayahahahaya. Still …. Just decarbing the material and putting it thru a screen … that’s all it takes. Just a gram of that will kick out the jams and that bowl of ice cream will be the best icream you’ve ever had in your life yayahahahaya. You can sprinkle the decarb / screened product in literally everything, but I suggest measuring it out in one gram or 3/4 gram doses ( into 2 oz disposable plastic soufflé cups , cheap on Amazon ) and eat them , one at a time in peanut butter , decarbing releases the hounds , so to speak … it’s not hard to have an uncomfortable, wanna hide in the closet or couch lock high for around 7 hours if you eat too much yayahahahaya. The only down side as a decarbed edible product is that it can take one to three hours to take effect ….but it will last all tonight and you’ll wake up high for several hours tomorrow, just not as high as last night. Smoke a joint while you wait for the big blast 😁😁😁.

I’ve never grown from seeds , I grew hydro and that’s always cuttings from a spray box.

growing is a wonderful QOL enterprise with special needs xtra benefits yayahahahaya. X press your green thumb and enjoy the side benefits. I love growing , it’s very rewarding and sitting in your Forrest of 5’ plants in your chair .. very quiet , peaceful and fragrant… great stuff.

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