Treating Prostate Cancer with Cannabis? Part 3

[alangeorge]

What's the Best Method for Treating Prostate Cancer with Cannabis?

Because there are no clinical trials, and no regulation on cannabis for cancer, nobody can say for sure what method works best for treating prostate cancer. Proper cannabis dosing for any medical condition is something best left to discuss with your doctor. This is of the utmost importance when combining with other medications like you would during chemo.

With that warning aside, we know everyone turns to Dr. Google these days before heading to the doctors. What does the internet say about dosing cannabis for cancer? If you noticed above, one scientific study found 10 mg and 20 mg of oral THC worked for reducing cancer-related pain. However, it's worth noting that they also found 20 mg doses came with higher adverse reaction (strong intoxication).

If you want to use higher potency preparations, as done in this study, you'll want to move away from smokables and vaped products. Try oral preparations like tinctures, concentrates, homemade edibles, and capsules.

Rick Simpson, the Canadian grandfather of medicinal cannabis, is well known for his story of curing cancer with cannabis. He has been traveling the world, teaching people about his experience and practices for well over a decade.

Although not a doctor, he recommends treating cancer with up to one gram (1 milliliter) of highly concentrated cannabis oil with a ratio of THC:CBD dependent on your tolerance per day. He proposes taking three to five weeks to increase a small dose up to this high amount. He also suggests splitting the dose up into three smaller doses a day. Notably, he takes his daily dose in a Rick Simpson Oil format, which is made-at-home concentrated cannabis oil. For prostate cancer, suppositories of cannabis oil may also be of value.

An Enticing Start to Research, But Real Results are a Long Way Off

We might sound like a broken record, but there are no clinical studies on cannabis for treating cancer, let alone specifically for prostate cancer. We’ve seen exciting hints from preliminary studies, but human trials are still in the distance for now.

Cannabis is recognized in many medical circles as an effective co-therapy for cancer pain, nausea, and appetite - but you should always work with your doctor before jumping into it head first. Medical cannabis advocates respect folks like Rick Simpson, but he is also not a doctor. Take what you will from his recommendations but take those recommendations to your doctor first. It does look like there is a big future for cannabinoids like THC and CBD in cancer treatments, but clinical results are a long way off.

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[Hidden]

I think that the most practical is RSO suppositories...none of the extreme high this way ..said to be 75% effective compared to 25% going through the digestive track. Smoking gives immediate relief...but any smoke is bad for us . A pac-2 flower vaporizer is good instead .Thanks for posting be well.

[Kaliber]

I like to fill my bathtub 1/3 the way up with sticky skunky black sugar rose strain buds and lay down on it. Then I have my wife finish covering me up with more buds.

I deep rub it all over my body , esp down below , until my whole body is sticky with trichomes. Then I lie there for a couple hours and chillax, letting the oil from the buds soak into my pores. Smoking a few bowls optional.

I can’t attest to the actual power of this treatment in helping cure PCa but .... I absolutely guarantee you will feel WAY better than before you started and this can be repeated daily for max effect. Feeling better is a good thing ...... right ......?

Hint: use the side edge of a credit card and scrape off a half a gram of residue ... off the legs or butt the best ... and hit it on a dab rig. Adds considerably to the effectiveness.

That’s how I go about it .... your mileage will vary.

Just say’in 😂😂😂😂✌️✌️✌️✌️

[westof in reply to Kaliber]

Hmm... Double Hmm...

Well, I guess, whatever floats your boat, Brother K.

What do you use to clean the tub?

Sulfuric acid !!😂😂😂

Best,

AJ

[Kaliber in reply to westof]

Yayahahahaya ..... it’s easy buddy west ... I just lick it clean ... nolo problems.

Or .....

When you get down to the sticky film , pour in a couple gallons 99.9% alcohol ( Amazon ) ...slosh it around and pour it back in the jugs. Tub is clean as a pin. Pour the alcohol in nu no stick evap trays with a fan on them and evap the alcohol. The yellow resin left behind is pure thc. Scrape up the resin ..... put it in nonstick mini tubs ... dab it . Also Makes six dozen - 7 dozen cookies if you don’t smoke.

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁 ✌️✌️✌️

[MJCA in reply to Kaliber]

Kaliber -

That’s a lot of buddage 😉

Sounds interesting.

[Kaliber in reply to MJCA]

This is California ... cannabis is recreational here, buy it off the rack in corner stores. People that still get medical cards ( me ) , can have 7 pounds dried product on hand AND 99 live plants. Weird huh ? Yayahahahaya

🌼🌸🦋🌻✌️✌️✌️✌️

[Kaliber in reply to MJCA]

There were times here when California documented medical growers ( myself ) could grow medical plants for up to 12 co-op members. Each member signed a medical provider statement for you as well. Around every 4 months , you’d have a large number of dried or drying flowers that would have filled a bathtub. A couple - several years ago California went recreational and that made all the medical co-ops obsolete and pointless. All of those dissolved when legalization happened.

It’s kinda stupid to go through all that daily grower work When you can simply shop online at any one of 156 online delivery sites , and get what you need delivered to your driveway in 15 minutes. That and the delivered product is tested for potency and quality.

Those were fun old days ....times have changed drastically nowadays .... like analog to digital age changes yayahahahaya No one bothers much with home grown here. No need to.

😁😁😁😁

[MJCA in reply to Kaliber]

Dude I’m a native Cali boy!

Born in LA, raised in “The Valley”

Alumnus of UCSB

Been in the Bay Area over 30 years.

Where are you?

[Geoff22 in reply to Kaliber]

I like your style! I smoke a few tokes every night. It helps me relax and it helps my apetite. Life is not about the destination it is about the journey

[Kaliber in reply to Geoff22]

My New GP ( old one retired ) is a hard core Kaiser party line brown shoe conservative young Indian doctor. Kaiser doesn’t allow cannabis. I guess my cannabis days are over. She DAP tests me randomly ( got caught dirty a couple times ) and sneaks a vial of my monthly blood panels yayahahahaya. But insists I stay close on my heavily prescribed opiate pain schedule instead . My old GP said considering my GRIM diagnosis, it really didn’t matter much what I did ...if it made me feel better go for it. New GP totally different. Trippy.

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[tom67inMA in reply to Kaliber]

Your new GP probably has student loans and a mortgage to pay off. I have an old GP, she has said she doesn't care about consequences like she used to.

[Kaliber in reply to tom67inMA]

Yep ... you got it. She’s new, has to dot her i’s and knows she will receive close peer review. She doesn’t dare break the rules at this point in her career .... it’s quite understandable. I still feel like she has my best interests in mind ... so far ...

She prescribed me more opiates to make up for it I guess .... but I like to cycle off those and she doesn’t want me to do that. Wants me to stay pain free for what’s left of my duration .... and make sure I’m following her instructions... not taking too many and not , not taking them as well. She randomly DAPs me to make sure I’m following her directions and prove that I’m in compliance with the a Kaiser opioid contract they make you sign. Weird turn of events , seems like .

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[tom67inMA in reply to Kaliber]

Contracts? Drug testing? Yuck. I wouldn't have developed cancer if I knew that was in my future.

[Kaliber in reply to tom67inMA]

Yep ... the feds now require places or people that prescribe opiates, above a certain amount, to patients have them sign the opiate contract that says you will consume the opiates as directed, will not consume illegal or non prescribed drugs and agree to both scheduled and random DAP ( drug abuse panels ) ... that if you violate this agreement your prescriptions will be voided and you risk expulsion from your plan at that provider. Kaiser is rabid about complying because they are a major medical plan provider for government medical Health plans. Mine is funded by the federal department of OMB. Major cancer centers have pot doctors ( UCSF for example ) and I even have a valid active doctors medical cannabis recommendation... Kaiser doesn’t care tho.

☹️☹️☹️

[tom67inMA in reply to Kaliber]

We're from the government, and we're here to help

[Kaliber in reply to tom67inMA]

Rotflmao 😂

[Hidden in reply to tom67inMA]

Give us your guns?

[Hidden in reply to Kaliber]

Wild man!

[Kaliber in reply to Hidden]

Yayahahaha

[j-o-h-n in reply to Kaliber]

My credit card is maxed out, can I use my debit card instead?

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 02/14/2020 9:17 PM EST

[Kaliber in reply to j-o-h-n]

There isn’t enough “ interest “ in those yayahahaha 😁😁😁😁

[j-o-h-n in reply to Kaliber]

But it's the principle that matters....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Sunday 02/16/2020 8:17 PM EST

[Kaliber in reply to j-o-h-n]

Yayahahahaya

[rbtbrsrd in reply to Kaliber]

How about a Jacuzzi filled with cannabis oil.

[Kaliber in reply to rbtbrsrd]

Interesting idea .... probably work miracles for those bone joint and nausea problems. Only down side might be the half a million dollars for the oil plus , California medical grade oil in that volume might OD you . Kinda like that Bond girl with the gold paint on her body yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. Might need a food truck parked outside in the driveway too.

High luxury tho ( pun intended ) and what a way to go. Beats cancer croaking anytime. 😂😂😂😂😂

Peace brother ✌️✌️✌️

[kaptank]

I tried the Rick Simpson for about 9 months but no detectable effect on the cancer. About 1g (but start low) daily at about 5.00PM. By about 9.00AM the next day I was still high but functional. 50/50 THC and CBD. Great for sleep and pain. The actual effect on PCa is in the not proven class.

[billyboy3]

THIS POST IS ALL BS AND IS CRIMINAL TO POST on this site!!!!!

There has not and never has been anyone cured by taking weed for any type of cancer, period!!!

DO NOT be fooled by these false prophets, snake oil salesmen.

Alange, you are a criminal of the worst kind!!!!

[Kaliber in reply to billyboy3]

Wow .... easy guy. I don’t think anyone here , stage 4 , really thinks cannabis cures cancer. That’d be totally ridiculous. Still cannabis isn’t snake oil and it has several important benefits for people that have cancer. Cannabis is a powerful nausea fighter , especially for chemo patients. Nothing induces hunger better than cannabis. For all the really sick guys here that don’t want to eat, cannabis helps them keep from wasting away by making them hungry. Then there guys like me .... I’m dead duck straight out ... plain and simple. I’ve already stunned my medical team by simply still being here. For me cannabis is a good fun intoxicant that makes my utterly miserable adt life better by taking me away for a few hours and let’s me feel better. Many people experience serious pain relief and anxiety relief as well.

Of course it’s not a cancer cure ... snake oil ? Not at all. Cannabis has many beneficial uses for the very serious cancer patient.

Lots of people here , including myself , eat all kinds of stuff to benefit our cancer treatments.... raw and processed saffron, Coumadin , peach pectin and bunches more. I take 30 different ones every day. I’m pretty sure cannabis would outrank most of those in importance and useful value to a cancer patient.

Just say’in brother ✌️✌️✌️✌️

[Miket218 in reply to billyboy3]

Lighten up dude! This is all a combination of humor and sarcasm. Laughter truly is good for the soul. And it might even cure cancer! 😎

[rbtbrsrd in reply to billyboy3]

July 2009 P3b, using cannabis oil from many strains and my Asperger's superpowers I still have not reached my nadir. Last PSA , <006. The only negative side effect is the attitude of close-minded people.

[Hidden in reply to billyboy3]

Who crowned you King billy boy?

[MJCA in reply to billyboy3]

READ THE POSTS AGAIN BILLYBOY3.

He’s using cannabis for PAIN. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Wow one of your Uros must have left something up there. Chill out.

[RonnyBaby]

As a legal, licensed grower (for personal use) in Canada, I will suggest that medical cannabis does not cure Prostate cancer. There is insufficient evidence to make the case, period.

What medical cannabis can do / does is less concrete, but I do believe that there is evidence that it works at different level on aspects of disease progression.

WHY would I say that ?

Because I have read a lot over the last 2 + years on what CBD / THC appears to do - meaning more studies / trials are required.

SOME aspects of some types of cancers appear to be affected - like stopping blood supply systems from forming / setting up shop - for some types of tumors.

I (sorry) don't spend a lot of time documenting every url or study / resource I have read to defend my postings.

What I try to do is NOT mislead people.

One thing to note - in the USA - cannabis is essentially banned from any type of practical case study or trial because it is classed like a dangerous, 'NOXIOUS SUBSTANCE'.

History has bypassed some practical studies, which have been conducted ELSEWHERE.

Israel is one country that has advanced the proven science, significantly.

Canada has done some research as well.

Due to historical negative intervention, some major cannabis benefits remain undiscovered.

Comments like billybobs add nothing to the discussions.

Cannabis has hundreds, if not thousands of sub-categories (terpines and cannabanoids) that have medicinal and other properties.

There is much to discover.

It comes as no surprise that some of the Big Pharma companies are studying cannabis for financial gain possibilities.

Money talks - that's pointing to something if you look a little deeper.

FYI - you can make simple home made tinctures using olive oil and/or MCT oil because THC and CBD are fat soluble AFTER you 'decarbox' the dried flower. You tube and google show you how.

[Kaliber in reply to RonnyBaby]

👍

[Hidden in reply to RonnyBaby]

We love the canucks!

[MJCA in reply to RonnyBaby]

I just read your story. The depression is quite real. I have heard of ADT cycling. I know you are not doing that. I have dual citizenship and may move to The Great White North one day. 🇨🇦

Which province are you in?

Cheers

Mark

[RonnyBaby in reply to MJCA]

I have fought serious depression for a long time. ADT caused me to cry a lot - it took near total control over me.

I have managed much better since I quit ADT.

About medical cannabis ->

The province you live in Canada has a direct effect on the recreational side of cannabis, but the medicinal side is from the Federal Jurisdiction (Health Canada).

You are allowed to grow 3 plants (recreational) for personal use, with some restrictions.

The medicinal side allows for much more flexibility and product selection and you can grow much more for medical uses.

They are still working out the bugs (and roll out) of this new reality.

I don't know how this has been addressed in the USA, but it is clearly inconsistent and a source of conflict for some. Are you at 50 % of the States that are allowing it now ?

Canadians cannot cross the border IF they ever even took a puff of the stuff.

IF you lie, you would be banned for 5 years.

IF you tell the truth, you might be marked for life.

Too bad, because I have travelled to the US for numerous reasons (about 100 visits) for more than 40 years, but I might NEVER enter the country again.

How would you like to lose out a a prepaid vacation because the border guards want to play games ? I cannot bring my 'meds' with me when I travel there AND I am not doing it to sell it or do anything other than consume it responsibly.

Our own Prime Minister - Justin Trudeau has smoked pot in the past (his own admission) yet he is allowed in - did he need a waiver ? I doubt it.

Different strokes for different folks ....

[MJCA in reply to RonnyBaby]

I am at a stage where I HAVE to be on Lupron and apalutamide. I was on vacay in Bali and Singapore a couple weeks ago. One day I cried all day by the pool cuz my libido is completely dead.

My family is in Québec. My uncle had PC. They stopped checking his PSA at age 80. He lived to 93. Mets ALL over his body. Probably because we are Anglo🤪. Where are you?

[RonnyBaby in reply to MJCA]

I'm in Ontario, although I have family in PQ.

About the ADT - unfortunately for some, the side effects are difficult to manage.

I am very sympathetic for those who have no choice - it is often a life changer .....

[Kaliber in reply to MJCA]

My ex- wife “ laughed “ all day when my libido disappeared ... go figure. 😂😂😂😂

[rocket09]

I tried it for 4 months and I can say it may slow the PSA from rising but it does not cure. The side effects are not the best either. I was trying anything to avoid the effects of treatment, I am happy that I did have Robotic surgery even with the effects as I am alive, well and enjoying my loved ones. Lots of living to do! Have faith in what can be done in the medical system. It may not be perfect but it can and has worked for many.

[RonnyBaby in reply to rocket09]

Trying 'IT' is the part to define.

'IT' is not aptly descriptive of a commodity that varies with the different strains that are out there.

Anything I bought 'online' (legally) tended to be a 'generic' type that isn't designed to do much 'specific' work.

When I grew / grow my own medicine, it is far superior to store bought products.

I pick the genetics with a specific target in mind.

MY cannabis is used for arthritic pain relief and insomnia.

Half of what I consume is full spectrum CBD, which does NOT get you high.

IF I had to pick one selection (CBD or THC), I would pick the CBD.

I use THC at night (an indica strain) that is mixed with about 40 % CBD.

During the daytime, I use CBD only.

I am fully functional during the day - no impairment.

At night, I am sleepy with the assistance of THC and some natural herbals.

My PCa has responded well to treatment so far.

Can I give credit to the cannabis ? Not sure but some might think that there is proof

in my case because I have beat the odds, so far.

I certainly wouldn't bet the house on it .....

[Alvin735]

I am going to be approved tomorrow for MM in Louisiana. I have terrible pain in my C5-C6 area due to a met. Can't be radiated anymore and so far Oxicodine only dulls the pain for a couple of hours. Hoping that MM will help me stay off the oxi some and will let me get some sleep and want to actually eat something. Have lost 20 lbs in 2 months. Any thoughts on your experiences with MM is appreciated.

[RonnyBaby in reply to Alvin735]

I would suggest you look into low dose naltrexone from a compounding pharmacy.

My Rx costs about fifty cents / pill. Typically, I get 200 at a time. You typically take 3 @ 1.5 mg once a day. It has no known side effects, drug interactions and is non-addicting.

This is an off label use that is designed to manage chronic pain.

You should investigate this possibility.

This has changed lives for many .....

[Hidden in reply to RonnyBaby]

I take 4.5 per night prescribed by an md naturalpathic. ..plus 20 Mgs melatonin.

[Hidden in reply to Alvin735]

It will help you .It helps me. I’ve been on it daily five years since dx . Clear over four.

[Hidden in reply to Alvin735]

Be careful with munchies and that great southern cooking. Might put back on that 20? All kidding aside , I hope that you find relief and even some enjoyment from whatever you try . ✌️

[Alvin735]

Looks like it will be next week before I "get approved". The MM doctor's fax line is not working and he won't accept my medical records unless they are faxed or mailed. So, Tulane Medical is having to 'mail' them. Always something

[billyboy3]

I stand by what I read in the post referring to somebody being able to cure cancer.

FOR THE RECORD:

There are many who come to this site after being diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer and are seeking assistance. I find it EXTREMELY objectionable to find posts on this site that are based on nonsense and false statements.

There are lives at stake here boys, and this site is one of the gold standards in the fight.

Weed, in whatever form, does NOT cure cancer as Alan's noted post of some guy stating that it does. It is not responsible to report such false claims on this site and you ALL should know better.

This is not funny but a criminal act. Making any statement that might adversely affect how someone deals or choses treatment, can lead to a DEADLY result of early death if some person reads such a false claim on this site, or any other.

We owe it to those coming onto this chain of death, to do our best to assist men and their families, NOT to create confusion and false hope!!!!

I hope that you understand the point I am trying to make. Be reasonable and be an adult, an advocate for those in need, not mislead and confuse, that is surely NOT asking too much from any of us, who should lead by example.

I have been in this losing battle for almost 20 years, and as my demise comes closer, I can stand up and say that I did my best to offer support and guidance to those men who came after me. It is the least that we can do.

It is ok to joke and share stories, I fully support that, but please remember that there also those who are new to the endgame, have no idea beyond fear and lack of knowledge and are lost until they find support and guidance. WE can offer that offer that to them, so should be careful what we post.

That is it.

[Hidden in reply to billyboy3]

I realize that this post is 6 months old, but just want to say the I support your comments here. The post clearly states "What is the best method of treating prostate cancer with cannabis?"

We really need to careful how we choose our words here. I use cannabis for pain and it works quite well for me, but I am not treating my prostate cancer with it because it is not a treatment. People need to stop throwing around words like "treatments" when they are discussing things that are not.