Now that I’m mostly vegan, I’m having challenges ensuring I get the daily recommended amount of protein.
With advance metastatic prostate cancer should I lean to whey protein or soy protein?
Also on the milk side I’ve been using Silk almond/ cashew but wondering if instead I should change it up to soy or something else.
thanks in advance for your help.
Here's my take. I started out vegan after diagnosis, but later moved on to become a vegetarian. I now eat fish and love it.
As far as soy, I used to take a soy supplement. Then there was a controvercy about the benefits of soy. So I stopped the soy supplement and switched from soy milk to almond milk.
Arnold Schwarzenegger uses almond milk.
Whatever works for you.
Currumpaw
Not Vegan but use whey protein with coconut milk
As long as you eat whole foods, I would not worry about taking protein. If you need more protein, then eat some lentil beans. Wheat has protein, Einkorn is one of the oldest wheats around and it makes lovely breads and cookies. It has a wonderful nutty flavor. I have a mock mill and grind it and make the flour into bread. The grinding only takes 1.5minutes more than using already ground flour and the bread is heavenly and whole grain. You can also buy the flour, Jovial foods has wonderful Einkorn flour and products and it is sweet family business.(Their pasta is high in fiber too and yummy)
There is also hemp protein or better yet hemp seeds.
If you really want a vegan protein powder then I recommends Sanjevani's. Dr Pai uses it himself. We used it a while back and it tastes good. I don't remember the base but it says it is non-soy.(the website is sanjevanistore.com the powder is called Vegan Sustain
Dr Pai, our integrative doctor, told my husband to stop drinking all dairy when he was diagnosed. Something in the dairy is bad for cancer. Since it is easy to give up, we did. So many protein options there is no need to use whey.
In regards to milk we use soy but oat milk is yummy too. One of my sons has an oat sensitivity so that is why we use soy milk. I think any vegan milk should work.. try them all and see which one you like. I have even made pecan milk. I make cashew cream on occasion. The vitamix makes it so easy.
Best of luck to you and get well wishes.
Softwaremom
Can I ask why you are mostly vegan? I personally do a pescatarian diet. I'm asking because maybe that's an option for you that you may not have considered. There's a lot of variation in there wrt protein and no need to take supplements. There's also the omegas you get with that as well. The reason I'd consider a pescatarian diet over something like say Keto is because of the saturated fats. I'd try to limit saturated fats wrt PCa.
As for soy, I'd be careful with the source. I'd get organic sources where possible because of the use of GMOs. The best type of soy is fermented. Fermentation practically shuts down lectins. Examples are natto, miso and tempeh. So I'd probably try to avoid non organic and non fermented soy as a protein source.
There's a lot of info floating about with the dangers of soy. But I personally wouldn't avoid it - especially if you can get fermented. It has a lot of benefits IMO.
- weak estrogens can block strong estrogen receptors.
- it has various phytoestrogens like isoflavone that act as inhibitors wrt PCa.
Organic natto is by far the best soy you can get. Its a true superfood but many people do not like it though.
You will like this--especially the part where ships with 36,000 tons of soybeans from the Ukraine made a stopover in a Turkish port. When the ships left Turkey, the soybeans had miraculously become organic--increasing their value.
Organic Food: False Labeling Is Not Uncommon
nationalreview.com/2017/05/...
Peter Whoriskey is a noted, investigative journalist about this subject. Quite a bit online.
Currumpaw
Yikes! I think Japan imports most of its soy from the US. I think Brazil was on the list as well, but predominantly the US. So after to actually eating a Japanese imported product like natto, you still have to buy it organic. Not guaranteed to be organic still, but it does increase your chances. My point being that you may even think you’re getting away from the GMOs by eating a Japanese import but it’s sourced from the US.I would think that this would be a major concern if I was getting protein requirements from soy. Scary when you think about it.
We love legume family for protein. Soya is used in moderation (eg organic tofu) but we buy whole foods and there is plenty of protein in those foods without dairy.
I use pea protein. Vanilla flavored. I see others have mentioned pea protein. 😊I buy it at Whole Foods.
What’s the problem? Protein should be low according to my knowledge, so 0.8 g / kg / day is sufficient. You should get it from all kind of legumes.
Actually during my chemo I’ve been directed to have 1.0-1.5 gram/kg per day.
Thanks
I‘m not a doctor, but according to so many experts that’s way too high. What this youtu.be/-UBHmXVYz-k Dr. Scholz also talks about protein and prostate cancer.
I use a meal replacement shake made by Huel. It uses pea protein, and is considered “nutritionally complete”.
Huel has 2 formulas - one with higher carbs, one with higher protein.
I found that the higher protein one has been the best for me while on ADT. I replace 2 meals a day with Huel shakes, then make 1 meal, usually with chicken …
I’m trying to get my protein and nutrients from veggies and fruits. Replacing any meals is not recommended for me.
That's a heck of an informative and comprehensive post. Thank you!
I use a custom-made mix of grass-fed whey, pea, pumpkin and rice. Added my flavor and my daughter adds other items to hers. About the same cost as those on Amazon. Truenutrition.com.
Maybe Sun Warrior's, Warrior Blend would be a good choice.
Years ago whey was found to inhibit cancer by strengthening cells' telomeres.
Interestingly, creatine, a supplement that bodybuilders use has been shown to strengthen T-cells.
Creatine powers T cells' fight against cancer - University …
universityofcalifornia.edu/......
Oct 23, 2019 · Creatine powers T cells' fight against cancer. Creatine, the organic acid that is popularly taken as a supplement by athletes and bodybuilders, serves as a molecular battery for
Creatine in T Cell Antitumor Immunity and Cancer …
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/340...
May 13, 2021 · Creatine has been identified as an important metabolic regulator conserving bioenergy to power CD8 T cell antitumor reactivity in a tumor microenvironment; creatine supplementation has been shown to enhance antitumor T cell immunity in multiple preclinical mouse tumor models and, importantly, to synergize with other cancer immunotherapy …
Author: Bo Li, Lili Yang
Publish Year: 2021
Whey protein in cancer therapy: A narrative review - PubMed
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Mechanistically, whey protein subfractions have specific anti-cancer effects. Alpha-lactalbumin, human α-lactalbumin made lethal to tumor cell, bovine α-lactalbumin made lethal to tumor cell,
Currumpaw
Lately I've been snacking on peanuts. Oils/fats yes but no sugar and almost 20% protein.
Years ago, my elderly herbalist advised me not to eat peanuts or peanut products. I wanted peanuts as a source of protein and because I like peanuts. There is much online about this it seems to be early on except, it is odd isn't it that my elderly herbalist was aware of this seven years ago. He Studied in Europe. I have no idea when he became aware of the "possible problem with peanuts", Was it from his studies or research? Note the date on the article.
Frequent consumption of peanuts by cancer patients may …
sciencedaily.com/releases/2...
Aug 04, 2021 · A study has identified new factors accompanying previous findings that frequent consumption of peanuts by cancer patients could increase risk of cancer spread. Your source for
Excerpts:
"The study, published in Carcinogenesis, shows that Peanut agglutinin (PNA) -- a carbohydrate-binding protein that rapidly enters into the blood circulation after peanuts are eaten -- interacts with blood vascular wall (endothelial) cells to produce molecules called cytokines.
The cytokines in question, IL-6 and MCP-1 are well-known promoters of cancer metastasis. The increased cytokine production causes other endothelial cells to express more cell surface adhesion molecules, making them more attractive to the circulating tumour cells and thus potentially promoting metastasis."
"Nevertheless, the possibility remains that circulating PNA, at least at the relatively high levels found shortly after a large "dose" of peanuts, could have a significant biological effect on tumour cells circulating at that time, with a potential for increased risk of metastasis. Heavy or very frequent peanut consumption therefore might be better avoided by cancer patients."
"This study was supported by the American Institute for Cancer Research."
My best to you and stay well.
Currumpaw
OK. Well, one more food to be cautious with. I wanted to find something to snack on that doesn't have sugar, another thing bad for cancer.
I know! I was famous for triple decker peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Massive amount of protein and the aminos as well as other good things.
Currumpaw
Vegan diet is deadly for those with cancer. See Dr Ben Bikman and Lustig on YOUTUBE. Try Keto diet.
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