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Organic tofu or tempeh, and perhaps soy milk. Otherwise soy oil is never healthy. Japanese diet includes seaweed as well. Answers to health are usually not just a single item

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"answer to health usually not a single item"

That is accurate. SeaWeed contains lot of tryptophan, amino acid which gets converted into serotonin which in turn has calming effect on mind. Besides, sea weed has many polyphenolic substances. which are anti inflammatory.

A combination of Curcumin, Boswellia and Ginger is dynamite anti inflammatory combo which has potential to slow down growth of cancer cells.

Black seed oil has thymoquinol, another very useful substance for people with PCa. Same with coriander, rosemary and oragano. And of course, our cauliflower, brocolli and radishes for sulforaphanes. Grapeseed powder for resvestarol. Orange Pumpkin and Saffron for carotenoids to boost immune system.

An assortment of herbs and spices if chosen wisely and logically can give good health benefits.

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tsim

Soy and Soy products should not be consumed by men, estrogen mimicking compounds.

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Phytoestrogen are in hundreds of foods including vegetables, beans, seeds, berries, wheat, oat, rice.

Are you suggesting men don't eat?

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As usual with everything, not to excess

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As you say.

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markoch26 in reply to tsim

This is taken from American Institute for Cancer:

Myth: Soy’s isoflavones act like estrogen in the body, raising the risk of cancer

How we got it wrong:

Failure to understand the differences between estrogen and isoflavones (natural plant compounds found in soy foods) led to many false assumptions. Isoflavones have a similar chemical structure to human estrogen, but they bind to the body’s estrogen receptors differently and function differently.

Facts:

Scientists have now found that rodents metabolize isoflavones differently than humans. So earlier studies in which soy isoflavones promoted the growth of estrogen receptor-positive (ER+) breast cancer in mice relate to much higher blood levels than what would result from humans consuming soy foods.

Different kinds of estrogen receptors are present in different parts of the body. Activation of some receptors seems to promote cell growth. But studies suggest that isoflavones more often bind to estrogen receptors with other effects, potentially acting as a tumor suppressor.

In studies of isolated cells, isoflavones can “turn on” genes that slow growth of cancer cells and stimulate their self-destruction (the process called “apoptosis”). These compounds may also support the body’s antioxidant defenses and DNA repair, which would help protect against cancer.

Soy protein powder or soy isoflavone supplements show no effect on markers of breast cancer risk such as hormone levels, markers of breast cell growth, or breast density, in randomized controlled clinical trials. And likewise, such studies show no effect on prostate-specific antigen (PSA) levels or hormones related to the risk of prostate cancer.

Population studies don’t link soy consumption with increased risk of any cancer, and limited evidence shows soy possibly protecting against lung cancer in people who have never smoked tobacco, and either no effect or decreased risk of prostate cancer. Observational studies also link moderate soy consumption (one to two servings a day) with lower breast cancer risk in Asia, where soy foods are commonly consumed throughout life.

Emerging research links soy food consumption with a greater variety of health-promoting bacteria in the gut microbiome.

Myth: After a diagnosis of breast or prostate cancer, be sure to avoid soy foods

How we got it wrong:

Avoidance messages mainly stemmed from the misunderstanding about potential effects of “phytoestrogens” and hormone-sensitive cancers, and we didn’t have good data from research with cancer survivors. But now studies of survivors of breast and prostate cancer show no harmful effects, and potential for soy foods playing a beneficial role as part of a healthy diet.

Facts:

Consistent findings from several population studies demonstrate that there is no increased risk for breast cancer survivors who consume soy foods. In fact, limited evidence shows potential for greater overall survival, and perhaps decreased recurrence, among women (including those who had ER+ cancer) who include moderate amounts of soy.

Among men with prostate cancer preparing for or following prostate surgery, or following a “watchful waiting” approach after diagnosis, supplements of soy protein or isoflavones for periods ranging from 6 weeks to 2 years have shown either no effect or a decrease in progression of prostate cancer. Although benefit was unclear, none of these controlled clinical trials showed an increased risk associated with soy or isoflavone consumption.

A link to overall survival may reflect a role for soy foods in eating habits to benefit heart health, which takes on added importance for many cancer survivors. Studies show a 4 to 6 percent drop in LDL cholesterol (particularly among people with elevated levels) and potential to reduce blood pressure in people with hypertension by promoting relaxation of blood vessels. These effects are linked with daily soy food consumption that are achievable, but well beyond occasional use.

soy and cancer myths, Soy and Cancer: Myths and Misconceptions

Myth: Whole soybeans are ok, but any processing makes soy foods an unhealthy choice

How we got it wrong:

Some people fear that more processed soy foods concentrate isoflavones to dramatically high levels that could pose cancer risk. Others fear whether that processing removes all elements of soy that make it healthful. You can find soy ranging from minimally processed (like steamed edamame), to traditional soy foods that are moderately processed (think of tofu and soymilk) to isolated components used as ingredients (such as soy protein isolate in cereal and bars, and soy fiber added to bread).

Facts:

Soy protein isolate powder and textured soy protein don’t contain any more isoflavones than an equal portion of plainly roasted soybeans. Some forms of isolated soy protein lose as much as 80 to 90 percent of isoflavones in processing.

Moreover, these components of soy are not consumed on their own, but as an ingredient. As a result, isoflavone content of veggie burgers, bars and high-protein cereal with added soy protein ranges from dramatically less to a little less than in what is considered a standard serving of soy food (for example, a half-cup serving of tofu).

To allow more precise control, clinical trials with soy have often used isolated soy protein or isoflavones. However, soy contains a variety of nutrients, phytochemicals and dietary fiber that may contribute to health. Although isolated isoflavone supplements sometimes provide amounts far beyond what has long been safely consumed in traditional Asian diets, this is not an issue when consuming up to three servings a day of even processed soy foods.

On the other hand, don’t let a “health halo” lead you to think that adding soy protein to a low-nutrient, sugar-laden bar or drink turns it into health food. Isolated soy protein doesn’t provide the dietary fiber or complete range of nutrients found in common soy foods.

Although isolated soy protein or fiber can contribute to a food and does not pose risk, neither turn a low-nutrient, sugar-or sodium-laden bar, drink or convenience food into a portion of health food. Several recent studies report connections between extensive use of ultra-processed foods and increased calorie consumption, weight gain, and possibly increased cancer risk. However, these studies group together a wide range of foods, including some that are far less healthful than others.

Bottom line

A range of soy foods are available to make plant-focused eating habits easy, delicious and nutritious. For now, there is no reason to steer clear of soy foods and let outdated myths about soy foods keep you from enjoying them as part of a healthy diet. There is also no reason to consider them must-haves if you prefer not to include them in your diet.

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AnnieAppleseed in reply to markoch26

Glad you posted. MUST eat organic soy. A huge percentage of soy is grown with GMO pesticides, excessive pesticides. AVOID.

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j-o-h-n

Oh boy No Soy....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 09/25/2020 7:19 PM DST

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AnnieAppleseed in reply to j-o-h-n

Studies are showing that organic soy foods can occupy the same receptors and stop harms. The original studies, I know this from actual personal conversations with researchers, done on mice using candy bars with GMO soy oil, had bad results. The products tested were unhealthy. Updates are that soy foods, as long as they are organic and Non-GMO, are useful and healthful.

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It's great what the researchers have done with mice but the key word is "mice", not human clinical trails. Mice shouldn't eat candy bars and humans shouldn't eat centipedes as food sources.

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I agree about animal studies and I chided the various researchers for not being willing to step into human studies when Asia has been eating soy for a thousand or more years. Don't know much about centipedes, unappetizing:)

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j-o-h-n

Oh thanks for the info........ next time I eat a mouse I will be sure to dip it in "organic and Non-GMO" soy sauce........

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 09/26/2020 12:39 PM DST

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monte1111 in reply to j-o-h-n

I gave up. I quit eating. But I sure do drink a lot.

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j-o-h-n in reply to monte1111

Cheers!!! Bottoms up!!! Over the lips and through the gums look out stomach...here it comes!!! cin-cin!!! Yiasou!!!

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 09/26/2020 7:13 PM DST

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cashlessclay

Annie,

My last PSA was 0.243 and my PSA in late 2018 was 0.525.

I'm using (organic) soy every day (about 1 serving). I removed

soy for three months and the diet crashed.

More info can be found by searching "prostate cancer diet" on healthUnlocked".

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