For anyone with cancer. All cancers LOVE SUGAR and hate oxygen. Alcohol turns into sugar, as most know, but all forms of sugar encourage cancer growth. Careful studies have also shown that you should go easy on dairy products as well as on all meats. The American Cancer Society gets funding from some sources that don't want you knowing this, and I have found that several major oncology centers actually provide people on chemo treatments with candies and sweet rolls while undergoing their treatments.Either they don't do their homework and don't know better, or they are influenced by some sources of pressure. Your own careful research will prove to you that it is vitally important to avoid all sugars as much as possible. (Funny how oncologists will often say to avoid alcohol, whose problem is that it turns into SUGARS, but will not connect their warnings to the eating of sugars generally.) There is also research documented regarding the importance of limiting use of dairy and of meat products.
Oncologists know but never say - Advanced Prostate...
Oncologists know but never say
Prostate cancer consumes fat in preference to sugar, until late stages. Cancer uses a lot of energy to replicate and will feed on anything. You cant "starve" cancer by cutting down on any single nutrient.
As for dairy and prostate cancer, see:
healthunlocked.com/advanced...
As for red meat and prostate cancer, see:
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...
The trap you fell into was the quality of the research you looked at, which was poor.
Never said that only sugar was feeding cancer. Aside from that, my research was no porer than yours. You oversimplified at least as much as I.
I don't think cutting back on refined sugar, eating less red meat, or depriving yourself of dairy will harm you.
Remarkable restraint.
I do !
Thanks, I have done a. Lot of reading, looking forward to seeing how this works alongside it.
Be careful with milk, it's proteins casein and leutine are associated with PCa progression.
I agree with Tall_Allen. So does my partner who is a cancer research scientist. We should all eat a healthy, well-balanced diet. More vegetables, less meat, smaller portions. I don't deprive myself of the ocassional beer, steak, or piece of cake because I like them. Life is meant to be enjoyed too.
Nice to find persons who agree with whatever oversimplification is common hereabouts. The current state of affairs in our federal government is evidence of how well that works for some people. Nonetheless, a well balanced diet should avoid as much sugar and fat as possible. (Fat, as in dairy and meats - where else?) Sugars in a wide variety of forms is introduced by food processors into almost everything...but not because it is healthy.)
It’s a SAD problem . Raised on junk and suger. Why stop now.? I did five years ago and went in to remission so far so good . I’m not going back to the sad diet ever again . Most men don’t want to change eating what the love. Now For me , it is eat to live. Take care Scott🌵
Burnett1948.Thanks Hidden. You give me incentive.
So what do the population studies say??? There must be areas of the world with lower Prostate cancer incidence .... so what are the similarities in these areas??? If people move from low incidence areas to high incidence areas does the risk stay the same or does it change over the years??? This might offer some clues.
Ever since the discovery of the links between smoking, asbestos, etc and lung cancer which showed clear links between environmental factors and a group of cancers researchers have been digging away at other cancers looking for similar links.
In the case of prostate cancer they have found some weak possible links but the strongest ones are genetic.
Men who have a history of familial prostate cancer are the highest risk group, after that it is men of African descent, Europeans with some variation between ethnic groupings and then Asians.
This holds even for Americans that are descended from these groupings which as Americans you would expect them to have some similarity in terms of environmental factors.
I suspect that in time we will be able to do cheap genetic typing and pick out the at risk men. Maybe we will be able to discover trigger factors that push men with the defective DNA into prostate cancer?
I had a simple cost effective genetic test from color.com . Turned out I was BRCA2+. As a result I am on Olaparib, a PARP inhibitor, which has so far kept my PSA as undetectable for the past year.
Any side effects from olaparib?
It's hard to separate my side effects coming from either Lupron/Eligard, Xgeva or Olaparib.
I have become slightly anemic, am experiencing fatigue, and was recently diagnosed with a partial blood clot for which I am now on the blood thinner Eliquis.
Great job!
It is hard in humans to tease out the differences between genetics and environment. There are some genetic factors which have been found but since these only increase risk but do not guarantee the disease there have to be other factors at play. I think we have a way to go from a research standpoint.
Genetic? Seems so , at least in my family. My father was dx at age 60. Me, 7+ yrs ago at 54. Soon thereafter, 2 of my brothers at ages 60 and 62. Last month, my last brother, at age 62. I have 3 teenage boys and they will be tested at a young age as I have heard it usually appears at a younger age for each successive generation. Fortunately for my brothers, my dx of met PC led to them being tested frequently and PC being detected early.
There was a case study from China which concluded that the poorer element -- which had very limited access to meats and dairy (and obviously sugars) had much less cancer that the well-off citizens who had much richer diets. Research author was Campbell -- maybe William, and he has been criticized for certain limitations in his study, but the basic point was not invalidated.)
You begin with:
"For anyone with cancer. All cancers LOVE SUGAR and hate oxygen. Alcohol turns into sugar, as most know, but all forms of sugar encourage cancer growth."
Many cancers preferentially turn to glucose. Because cancer has a higher growth rate,
the glucose requirement is higher. Glucose does not "encourage cancer growth". All cells that need glucose take it from the blood. Good luck with trying to lower blood levels. It's called hypoglycemia & I don't recommend it.
The glucose in the blood is largely the result of carbohydrate metabolism. The fate of dietary oatmeal is much the same as sucrose or any digestible carb: glucose.
Cancer does not hate oxygen. Tumors grow well when there is a normal supply of oxygenated blood. As with glucose, good luck trying to change oxygen levels in the blood.
You say that most know that alcohol (ethanol) turns into sugar:
"Ethanol, an alcohol found in nature and in alcoholic drinks, is metabolized through a complex catabolic metabolic pathway. In humans, several enzymes are involved in processing ethanol first into acetaldehyde and further into acetic acid and acetyl-CoA. Once acetyl-CoA is formed, it becomes a substrate for the citric acid cycle ..." [1]
No mention of sugar or glucose.
-Patrick
[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan...
Patrick, you wrote......…...,,,"The glucose in the blood is largely the result of carbohydrate metabolism. The fate of dietary oatmeal is much the same as sucrose or any digestible carb: glucose.,,," am I to conclude that oatmeal is bad and a no-no? I eat a healthy oatmeal bowl full of strawberries, blueberries bananas and cranberries every morning.
Joel,
About 16 years ago, I decided that I would have oats for breakfast - but whole grains (groats). Just groats in water for about 30 minutes. I loved them. But I noticed that after 20 minutes or so, I was getting a sugar high. One of the symptoms for me is a sudden urge to urinate. The urine is entirely clear & feels unusually hot - this is my kidneys ditching excess sugar.
I could have prevented this by pouring some cream on the groats before eating. Fat slows the digestion & slows the release of glucose.
While carbs inevitably turn into glucose, I feel that the danger for men with PCa is the insulin response to glucose spikes.
Your breakfast is pure carb. If you ditched the banana & added a handful of nuts, you could avoid the glucose surge IMO.
Best, -Patrick
Thanks Patrick, I do love nuts and eat them almost daily through out the day. I am not sure if I am getting sugar highs, I don't think so, I have no identifiable symptoms but I am going to start adding nuts to my breakfast, thanks for the suggestion.
A martini a day is my way. Thanks for making me feel better.🍸🍸🤠
I read drinking was bad for you ...so i quit reading
👍🍸🍸🤠
Laughed out loud. A lot of us are toasting pjoshea13's reply. I've already toasted it 13 times.
I just had this conversation with my Oncologist...A healthy diet yes...Avoidance of any one item (sugar, meat, dairy etc)....is not supported by science to avoid or control cancer. Genetics is the major determining factor for your cancer....and its treatment.
Again someone who spreads ideas that one can treat cancer with diet (a metabolic therapy approach).
No one can show a clinical trial that proves that a metabolic therapy treats or cures any cancer.
Cancer is caused by a combination of genetic and environmental factors so diet and supplements may play a role in cancer prevention but not in cancer treatment. Why is this so hard to accept?
I disagree completely. I did the 360 flip into a no suger holistic organic living and I went into remission . Feel the nutrients and diet give me an edge not just on pc but heart and all health issues. Most men don’t want to change bad habits . Take care Gremlin
One would hope that no one would think that major diet improvements would be a substitute for either chemo or proton radiation. Nonetheless, it is certainly true that dietary issues play important roles in both the development and the treatment of cancers. So also. of course, do environmental issues. It is wise to try to avoid/minimize intake of sugars (in all its variant forms) (and it is added to nearly everything) as well as fats (in things like dairy products and meats). There is no point in having a diet that is counterproductive to chemo and radiation. Unless you really are anti-scientific research.
Again...HEALTHY DIET...no one is advocating for sugar in this discussion thread.
You can control the maximum concentration post meals by changing your diet.
As a result of ADT I became insulin tolerant so that if I eat something that has a high concentration of sucrose, glucose, etc by blood sugar will rise rapidly before falling back again to around 1.2 g/L which is my daily normal my night time normal is around 0.9 g/L which is close to what many normal older adults achieve.
I can control this to a certain extent by spacing the carbohydrates I do eat so I take smaller amounts in one go and also consume things like wholemeal bread, pasta, cous cous, jacket potatoes, etc that take longer to digest and are absorbed more slowly.
I also take 2 x 500mg metformin a day which is around or below the minimum therapeutic dose for an adult male of my weight.
I allow myself an odd treat like cake, pizza, etc from time to time.
On this regime my HbAc1 lies in the range 5.5 - 6.0, below the range that a type 2 diabetic on treatment would be expected to meet as a target range.
Happystrap,
I have to go with Tall Allen and Patrick on this subject. Dont mean to disrespect your research, thanks for your post. Sure, I limit my sugar intake but not to the point of believing it will help my cancer non-growth. Guess what muscles need to thrive? Sugar. Five years in remission , still drink occasional sodas
Dear Happystrap,
I was about to post a correction about the metabolism of ethanol, as I was surprised to see your post start off with the assertion that "Alcohol turns into sugar, as most know". I am uncomfortable with taking it as a given that most people are misinformed about the biochemistry here.
Check out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan.... But I see that Patrick posted already that the metabolism of ethanol does not involve any conversion to any sugar.
Happystrap, you refer in your posting to the research you have done. But some of what you state with conviction is contradictory to what is in the peer-reviewed academic literature that I am aware of. I thus fear that others reading this thread, may be confused and frustrated by what appears as contradictory information. The best way to avoid the distress that that can cause would be to give us the references for the data that you have on metabolism in growing prostate cancer cells. Could help us (well, at least me) with those references?
My thanks for whatever references you can provide.
Richard Wassersug
Hello Happystrap,
Would you be kind enough to provide us with info about yourself. i.e. Age? Location? Psa and Gleason scores? Treatments to date? Treatment center(s), Doctor's name(s), Your expertise (re: sugar/ diet).... All info is voluntary but it helps us help you and helps us too....Thank you....
p.s. this post is not a Happy Trap....
Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.
j-o-h-n Friday 02/07/2020 6:32 PM EST
I agree with you Happystrap... sugar is the scourge ..
This old chestnut. I blame Otto Warburg.....
Cookies and cream or Oreos and cookie dough ice cream. Not in my diet health plan anymore. But the temptation is right smack dab in front of my mouth and eyes. Healthy lean and green diet . Easier said than done.
All in moderation . Nuff said.
Fast food, out of a can and does it fit in a microwave? My usual diet. Today, though, is left over Japanese Teppanyaki (Beef Sukiyaki). If you've never done Teppanyaki, you are missing out. Bring a fire extinguisher with you.
They have twice given me short times to live, I was in a very bad way. Here I sit PSA undetectable and all lesions unremarkable. I have a tall adult beverage every night, 2 on the weekend with my wife, and always some sort of chocolate or sweet treat. Not trying to get all up in your grill, just that God is in charge and no one really knows.
Don’t get too spun up on this stuff. Moderation is the key to almost anything. Want a splash of milk in your coffee- do it without guilt or hesitation. Planning on packing down a box of ice cream- you should suffer some guilt.
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