What is Your A/V Ratio?

[CalBear74]

Are you aware of your approximate ratio? Have you calculated your doubling time on your PSA? The A/V ratio can impact your DT and therefore your PSA level. Dr. Michael Greger has a video on this. GO TO nutritionfacts.org and search on A/V ratio. The video is approximately five minutes.

[pjoshea13]

I know that many men are impressed by Dr. Greger, but he does tend to mislead when it comes to PCa.

He keeps trotting out the old Ornish study. I wrote about this 2 years ago [1]. In the current video he talks about tumor shrinkage. He has no basis for that.

For those interested in the second paper (Carmody, et al), the link to the full text is below [2].

Greger goes on to mention Erin Richman (a.k.a. the egg lady). Which was discussed 3 years back [3].

-Patrick

[1] healthunlocked.com/advanced...

[2] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[3] healthunlocked.com/advanced...

[pjoshea13 in reply to pjoshea13]

Greger mentions an old Richman study [4].

"... cruciferous vegetable intake after diagnosis may reduce risk of prostate cancer progression."

"No other vegetable or fruit group was statistically significantly associated with risk of prostate cancer progression."

"In conclusion, cruciferous vegetable consumption after diagnosis was strongly associated with reduced risk of prostate cancer progression among men initially diagnosed with non-metastatic prostate cancer."

-Patrick

[4] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[CalBear74 in reply to pjoshea13]

Thanks Patrick for your response. I knew I would get a rise out of you by using a Dr. Greger video.The simple story I wanted to communicate was animal sources versus vegetable sources, that is, the clear value of a plant-based diet when fighting disease.

[pjoshea13 in reply to CalBear74]

Hi Cal,

I hated to do it to you, but Greger ...

Thanks for being understanding.

Best, -Patrick

[MikeUSNA64 in reply to pjoshea13]

The Carmody study does not dispute Ornish, if anything it is supportive. Specifically, Carmody provides:

"These pilot results provide encouraging evidence for the feasibility of a dietary program that includes MT in supporting dietary change for men with recurrent CaP and invite further study to explore the possible role of MT as a means of supporting both initiation of dietary changes and maintenance of those changes over time."

If there is different language in the Carmody study that disputes Ornish, please post.

Thank you.

[pjoshea13 in reply to MikeUSNA64]

Hi Mike,

I gave the link to Carmody as a convenience to the group, without comment. It was cited by Greger in the video.

My issue was with Gregor & his misuse of the Ornish study. He keeps bringing it up as though Ornish has found the cure for PCa. It's a weak study that had little impact when it came out.

-Patrick

[MikeUSNA64 in reply to pjoshea13]

Ornish is a limited study. I disagree that Gregor cites Ornish as "the cure for PCa." I have PCa (intermediate grade high) have read Ornish's book, The China Study, and listened to all of Gregor's videos on PCa. I do not believe that diet will cure PCa, although it may help with low grade PCa. I do believe that diet can prevent a significant percentage of cancers (30%+) and may assist in the cure. From a scientific article (link below):

"It has been estimated that 30–40 percent of all cancers can be prevented by lifestyle and dietary measures alone. Obesity, nutrient sparse foods such as concentrated sugars and refined flour products that contribute to impaired glucose metabolism (which leads to diabetes), low fiber intake, consumption of red meat, and imbalance of omega 3 and omega 6 fats all contribute to excess cancer risk. Intake of flax seed, especially its lignan fraction, and abundant portions of fruits and vegetables will lower cancer risk. Allium and cruciferous vegetables are especially beneficial, with broccoli sprouts being the densest source of sulforophane. Protective elements in a cancer prevention diet include selenium, folic acid, vitamin B-12, vitamin D, chlorophyll, and antioxidants such as the carotenoids (α-carotene, β-carotene, lycopene, lutein, cryptoxanthin). Ascorbic acid has limited benefits orally, but could be very beneficial intravenously. Supplementary use of oral digestive enzymes and probiotics also has merit as anticancer dietary measures. When a diet is compiled according to the guidelines here it is likely that there would be at least a 60–70 percent decrease in breast, colorectal, and prostate cancers, and even a 40–50 percent decrease in lung cancer, along with similar reductions in cancers at other sites. Such a diet would be conducive to preventing cancer and would favor recovery from cancer as well." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[pjoshea13 in reply to MikeUSNA64]

I wrote: "as though Ornish has found the cure for PCa".

You wrote: "I disagree that Gregor cites Ornish as "the cure for PCa.""

-P

[softwaremom00]

I think an important part of the Ornish study that folks overlook is the Stress Reduction part, and building community. They are important parts of a healing program.(at least I think so.) It is not just nutrition.

There is a class on amazon great courses about the "Science of Natural Healing" and the Integrative Doctor who teaches it talks about a town in Pennsylvania(Roseto?) that had an very low incidence of heart disease. It was a predominantly Italian group of people.. with tight knit families. When this changed and the families did what most of America does.. move away and get jobs..etc.. the rate of heart disease became the same as the rest of America. I thought that it was fascinating that this showed the importance of community and support when it comes to disease. How can we create a "Roseto" for our selves ? I am not sure.

Softwaremom

[j-o-h-n in reply to softwaremom00]

L A U G H T E R....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 07/17/2019 6:36 PM DST