Inflammation / Joint pain / Trigger Finger

[Jimhoy]

While surfing around for information about BiRM and brain fog, I happened across the term “trigger finger” in a Nalakrats post. After searching that topic, I started seeing “inflammation”, Arthritis,bla bla bla...... A ton of info from pjoshea13 and others but but unfortunately, due to my Eligard induced stupidity, it’s all like Hyroglifics to me!!!

My story;

Unfortunatelly, I did not know about sites like this until many months into my ADT treatment. OUT OF IGNORANCE and PAIN, I did succumb to the couch and now realize that I have a much longer road back. I get it, No lectures please!!!!

Here’s my deal!!!

*) developed debiliating joint pain. Some dx’ed as Arthritis?? Never had it before!!!

*) gained 50# I do contrubute that to part of my joint pain / immobility!!

*) so, one day, I came down with Gout like symptoms in my knees, I was prescribed Indomethacin (50mg x 4 per day ( I took 6 per day)) for Gout and was ordered blood work. The blood work was negative for excess uric acid. 1day on script, gout like symptoms gone.

*) 2nd day, noticable less joint pain

*) 3rd day, NO JOINT PAIN. Can actually work at floor level (and get up again) work under the cabinets, bending, stooping...... nice!!!!! Resumed projects around house.

*) 4th day, wife noticed my legs, feet and hands swelling called PcP, said stop taking Indom....... , shit!!!!

*) few days later (didn’t count) , joint pain returning!!!!

My question; Any experiances like mine with anti-inflammatories verses ADT related joint pain?. Any natural supp’s available that might not cause the swelling but still treat the inflammation? Anyone come off Eligard / Lupron and joint pain subsides!!

And I beg you, any comments, in laymans terms...please!!

Jc

Ps: I intend to repeat the cycle (less the gout) again once the swelling goes down, to see if it was just a fluke!

Pps: TRIGGER FINGER: I am progressivly developing a trigger finger (middle finger, non- dominant / left hand). This topic lead me to the inflammation part so I thought I would include the fact!!! Poor vidieo attached shows finger binding when opening. A bit worse most of te time!!!

[George71]

the swelling in feet could be due to change in activity level -- i went on vacation and walked a lot -- hade swelling in fet for a couple days and it went away.

[George71 in reply to George71]

typo correction LOL -- Had swelling in feet for a couple of days and it went away by itself.

[Shooter1 in reply to George71]

Had swelling and neuropothy from treatments. Shower, foot massage at bed time was a great relief with pain and swelling. Walking (needed whole side walk) helped also. Went with wife, dog would pull me over.

Trigger finger used for first time in over 2 yrs.last week. Grandson and I competed in national shoot. Worst scores I ever had in National Comp. but did it. New normal sucks at times, but had to get on with life.

[Jimhoy in reply to Shooter1]

If it’s the kid in your profile pic, I’m impressed!!!!

So, I guess I have two trigger fingers. One for flipping birds and one for shooting them!!! I simply love and look forward to shooting with my grandson. My indoor range let him in last year (at 10yo (and only 22 cal)) and he is getting pretty good. Next one turnes 10yo next month and he can’t wait (me too)!!!

Beats the hell out of them learning usless killing on video games!!!

Joined a local rod and gun club this year and am really excited about getting them outside!!!

Like a lot of other towns, I grew up going out into the woods and fields and shooting...well....whatever!!! Never really been a hunter because I never really NEEDED the food. Taught my boys the same. Pick a spot on a nearby tree and shoot that. Hit the spot, you got the kill!! Just my style!! Kill a threat, a nuisance or for food only, then go home and eat a burger!!!!

Enjoy

Jc

[Shooter1 in reply to Jimhoy]

If we kill it we eat it...crows are tough, squirrels are better (esp. young ones).

[ITCandy]

I’ve found the Lupron will cause the joint pain and I’ve taken vitamin c and collagen as well as Zyflamend, although some have found the formulation has been compromised. I don’t know the adt sentence you’ve been given but I’ve found things calm done considerably after a year on it. I’ve been on Lupron 3 1/2 years and it just feels like the new normal.

As far as your other issue, my middle finger seems to straighten out constantly, but only while I’m driving.

Enjoy your day.

[cujoe]

Jimhoy, You might want to start by modifying your diet to reduce/eliminate inflammatory foods and add/increase those that are anti-inflammatory. Here's a link that will get you started:

healthline.com/nutrition/an...

As for supplements, you can find lots of lists for them with any search engine. I take about 6 supplements daily that have been reported to have anti-inflammatory actions. I also use a mix that combines plant-based protein powder with about 10 different plant powders, each also reported to have anti-inflammatory effects.

If you start with an anti-inflammatory diet, you will be incorporating the sources of a number of anti-inflammatory supplements in the food you eat.

Good Luck & Be Well - cujoe

PS FWIW, I once got "trigger finger" after using a grinder for an extended period. It bothered me a bit for about a year and then gradually went away.

[larry_dammit]

Joint pain is so real and trigger finger as well, immediate help cold water on the hands , I also take Ostio Biplex for the rest of my joints ,shoulders and arms. Good luck with the monster 🙏🙏🙏

[Crabcrushe]

Hey, man! Same for me; put me on methadone/tramadol after I kicked the opioids. No pain, and energy enough to go 10 rounds with Chuck because of BIRM/C/Ashwaganda (as far as I can tell).

Nous Defions, Bro.

[pjoshea13]

Jim,

A solitary trigger finger brings to mind Dupuytren's Contracture, which I had 14 years ago. Do you have a 'bump' in the palm of that hand, directly below the finger. In my case, iodine reversed it. Iodoral. I take it every night.

-Patrick.

[Jimhoy in reply to pjoshea13]

Yes, there is!! There is a larger one on the smaller finger next to it but that finger does not lock. Sort of a stretched tendon on both too!! I will try your iodine suggestion on both bumps. Thanks

My PcP recently passed away and with the fact that I went from a 62yo (feels like 42yo) to a feels like 83yo in just 18mo’s, my list of complaints grew!!! I been prioritizing my newer ailments for the new PcP. This is on my list but she was overwhelmed with the complete list!!! This now goes to the head of the class!!!!

Jc

[pjoshea13 in reply to Jimhoy]

Hi Jim,

Iodine deficiency or insufficiency is quite common. The prostate has a need for iodine. It's important for other tissues too - not just the thyroid.

Here is the Wikipedia page for Dupuytrens (my doc says 'Doo-pa-trans' - in France it's more like 'Doo-pwee-trens'):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dupuy...

My experience is that iodine reverses the palm thickening in the same timeframe that it appeared. If this has all happened in the last 12 months, you should notice some improvement within a couple of months. If it has been going on for a much longer time, it may not fully reverse, but you should still get benefit.

Note that I am not a doctor, & not qualified to treat Dupuytren's.

Also, you can ask your doctor to check your iodine status.

-Patrick

[Jimhoy in reply to pjoshea13]

I need to elaborate...... I have had the bump for quite a while, years. Long before developing my itchy trigger finger in the past month!!!

I don’t doubt you that they’re related, but the coincidence to me was seeing people talking about TF on this site!!!!

I am farmiliar with TF because my daughter had it in her thumb as a toddler!!!

Jc

[pjoshea13 in reply to Jimhoy]

I went to a hand surgeon with my problem & he made the diagnosis. He advised against surgery. Rarely effective. These days they have something they inject into the palm that dissolves the unwanted growth. Expensive, though.

Iodoral is a no risk treatment. If it is ineffective, at least your iodine status will be good.

Best, -Patrick

[adlerman in reply to pjoshea13]

I also had dupuytrens contracture over 10 years ago but didn't seek treatment until the finger stayed bent so I opted for surgery. It solved the problem- I have a barely visible "Z" scar on my palm but full use of the finger again.

[Hidden in reply to pjoshea13]

Good call..

[SUPERHEAT12]

Have constant pain when I get up in back but it goes aways with stretching and exercise. Docs not sure if I have bone mets in certain places or if it is all arthritis. However, pain in one rib and pelvis area not at the joint seem to be mets. Did rehab which helped with back but no help to rib and pelvis area. Had trigger finger and lot of pain in my right hand. A friend recommended tart cherry and it seems to have helped. I am training for a tri, having done several prior o PC. The exercise helps

[Hidden]

gout happens in both men and women taking Lupron. You probably already have read this URL entry [ehealthme.com/ds/lupron/gout/]. Trigger finger can readily be treated with a corticosteroid injection into the tendon sheath--that is where your finger tendon is hanging up causing the trigger finger. What would be the harm in continuing the indomethacin to control the gout inflammation. If you ankles swell, reduce your usage of salt, elevate your legs and ask your primary care doctor for a diuretic like furosemide (Lasix(R)). Nothing wrong with treating the ugly side effects of ADT. Treating those should not reverse the benefits of the ADT.

[JimVanHorn]

I am no longer am taking anything for PCa, but the Eligard lowered my Vit D3 level to almost none! So I am taking (on prescription) 50,000 units of Vit D3 once a week for 13 weeks. I noticed a "brain fog" the next two days after taking it. It was from Calcium being released in high doses in my brain and causing the nerves to not transmit as fast. It is minor, but it does happen and it my be some other drug you are taking. For example my dryer is in the kitchen next to the stove. My microwave beeped and I went over and opened the dryer! Then I stood there for a few seconds and realized that there was nothing in the dryer. I hope you will have a speedy recovery.

[monte1111 in reply to JimVanHorn]

Funny. I do that quite often. Was blaming the lupron. I do get trigger finger once in a while. Blame it on holding cell phone. Left leg below knee swelled up so much had ultrasound. No clot found and went away with no treatment. Severe below knee muscle lock up on right leg. Always lying down. 99% while sleeping. Very painful and have to get up and walk it out. I am actually terrified of these.

[Hidden in reply to monte1111]

That sucks monte ...

[Jimhoy in reply to JimVanHorn]

Jim

Thanks, I agree wholeheartedly!!! If only they could come up with a probe that could spit out a detailed list of what our bodies actually needed.

I was directed to take 5000 of vit D on day one. So, being a man, I take that 2 X a day.

I hope you didn’t find your lunch in the dryer!! Thats how my day would go!!!

Jim C

[JimVanHorn in reply to Jimhoy]

I see the doctor next week to see how I am doing.

[Jimhoy in reply to JimVanHorn]

Thanks for your input. Wish you the best next week!!

Jc

[mcp1941]

I have Dupuytren's Contracture on both palms for about 15 years and while there are 3 or 4 bumps on both hands they have not caused the contracture of any finger. Also have trigger finger on both hands, 3 fingers each. Hand specialist I went to said to do nothing with Dup Con until symptoms appear. No bent fingers after 15 years and counting. However the trigger finger problem was treated because getting the fingers back to normal position was very painful. Had injections in both hands right where the fingers join the palm. That was successful for about 2 years and had to redo procedure. Since then, 13 years, no problems.

[j-o-h-n]

I've had problems with my ring finger ever since I got married......

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

J-o-h-n Monday 03/11/2019 12:53 PM EDT

[Jimhoy in reply to j-o-h-n]

Marrage is a three ring circus...

1) Engagement Ring

2) Wedding Ring

3) SuffeRing

[j-o-h-n in reply to Jimhoy]

hahahahahahaha You got me there.... just loved it thanks (writing it down for future use on my TV special)

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

J-o-h-n Monday 03/11/2019 1:14 PM EDT

[Jimhoy]

Update 4/3/19

Soooo.

* For swelling, PcP stopped an old cardiac med (Amlodipine Besylate) from my CABG x 4, about 12 years ago (oh yes, I got that going for me too) and added Hydrochl Orothiazide on 3/21/19. Swelling is gone!!!

* Trigger finger, never addressed!!! She does not multi task well at all!!!

* Overall joint pain, basically, I’m back to square one!!! PcP would not continue my Indomethacin (3 x daily) but subsituted with Meloxicam (1x daily) on 3/18/19. Useless as tits on a bull!!!

Ordered kidney test (blood work) which came back fine!!

I believe she inadvertantly refilled the Indomethacin, what with all the poping and swapping of meds because.....well....she refilled it!!! With this stash, I am starting my test today to see if I get the relief that I got last time (less the gout!!!!).

Time will tell!!!

Jc