Ingredients of BIRM

[arete1105]

I am currently taking Kalanchoe Pinnata, 2 fl oz, which is dried leaf and stem. No bad taste, 330 mg/1 ml. Dose is 1ml up to 4X/day.

Looking for same breakdown for BIRM.

[Darryl Partner]

What did your your doctor say about this? How will you measure if this is helpful to you?

[arete1105 in reply to Darryl]

Darryl- this is the same plant as the source for BIRM. I understand BIRM comes from the root, this product comes from the leaves & stem.

Benefit? I would go with low PSA, and eventually a scan to check for Ca.

I would think the same question would be asked of BIRM. Most report an energy increase.

I just wanted to compare the data from the root v leaves/stem.

I haven't told the Dr. about this product. I just got it. I see him in 3 mos.

[arete1105 in reply to Darryl]

Darryl- I forgot to mention that my last labs showed PSA at .2 and T at 12, so the Dr. put me on HT Sabbatical. So I am using this product during these 3 mos.

[Hidden in reply to arete1105]

Wow. If I had a PSA of 0.2, I would panic..... T, I was fortunate to keep it <5.0. Good luck in kicking this bastard of a disease.

GD

[arete1105 in reply to Hidden]

Why would you panic with that PSA#, that is where the cancer industry wants it to be.

[Hidden in reply to arete1105]

No, not in my experience. The target is undetectable at <0.1. My experience with metastatic prostate cancer since 2004 and off of medication since 2010, is that if my PSA should rise, I would be back on Lupron and stop 4 mg of Androgen twice a week (since January 2012). This is the guideline that my research Medical Oncologist gave to me. The production of testosterone of more than 0.1from other glands would be abnormal and indicative of cancer cells feeding.

Don’t get me wrong a 0.2 PSA would thrill thousands of men, however, it indicates residual mutated cells and a waiting game of abeyance. To me, and we all different with scope of disease, it would cause concern enough to further treat this bastard. Anyway, good luck in beating down the cancer.

Gourd Dancer

[arete1105 in reply to Hidden]

Here is my take on it. If you are on HT continuously, at some point you will become "castration resistant" and then they put you on chemo drugs. I think they are starting to alternate on/off HT, to drag it out so you don't become resistant so soon. After 3 mos my Onc will run labs and put me back on HT if needed.

Don't forget- the industry takes the position that once it has metastasized, they have no cure for it. And I am reading about "sleeper" cells that can't be detected but will still promote cancer. You can be as low as you want with HT and it is still considered a "delaying" treatment rather than a cancer killer.

[Hidden in reply to arete1105]

Yes, the standard of care industry says that...... however, my guy thinks that they are incorrect. I am an advocate for early chemo once mets appear. It is a systemic treatment for systemic disease. The sleeper cells you refer to are micro-metastatic cells that exist and circulate through the lymphatic and vascular system. While unseen it is the hypothesis basis for the six month chemo-hormone trial which I underwent in 2004. My other posts in this group will explain the protocol used and the results. Or google Gourd Dancer Prostate Cancer.

I guess until history confirms, the standard of care will not change. However, I am thrilled with my results.

Anway, my posts are designed to give hope and to give thought to other treatment options. The way that I see it, attack the cancer when the body is strong and the tumor burden minimal.

GD

[arete1105 in reply to Hidden]

I agree with you

[arete1105 in reply to Hidden]

So do you think early chemo will negate "castration resistance", or do you think it is actually a cancer killer? What is your expectation of early chemo?

[arete1105]

Nalakrats- here is more info re: that product I was talking about.

bolthealthsupplements.com/p...

But I am still curious why BIRM doesn't have any ingredients labeled. What liquid do they use, what is the ratio, etc?

[arete1105]

Here is an email exchange I had with troplab.com. They tincture many herbs. Start at the bottom and read up.

I am not saying there is something bad about the root of this plant. Here is what I am saying:

1- The US requires most products to be labeled so the consumer knows what he is taking (Fair Packaging & Labeling Act of the 60's). This product is not labeled.

2- Thus I don't know the amount of the root, the ratio or the liquid being used. I also don't know how much stronger the concentrated product is from the regular product. I just know that the cost is many times more.

The product I am taking tells me everything I need to know. And based on the following emails with this tincture company I don't know why I would purchase an unknown product that costs much more than labeled products on the market.

Again, not saying there is anything wrong with BIRM, just don't know what I am taking.

Kalanchoe pinnata = REPLY

CUSTOMERS RELATIONS. <[e-mail]>

Mon 12/10/2018, 9:14 AM

No, the root is not considered stronger.

The same phyto-chemicals are also in the succulent leaves.

Using the root means that we cannot get leaves also since the plant will die.

Check out: tropilab.com/kalanpinnatati...

STATIA G.

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Is the root considered a stronger product? Is it harder to "tincture" the root?

From: CUSTOMERS RELATIONS. <[e-mail]>

Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 7:36 AM

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No; we use only the leaves at this time!

Regards,

STATIA GRANT

Customer Relations

TROPILAB INC.

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Subject: Kalanchoe pinnata

Do you provide a tincture made from the root of this plant?