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New study below [1].

But why?

It is well known that that as testosterone [T] drops in men, so does the red blood cell count. RBCs contain hemoglobin, which carries oxygen from lungs to the rest of the body. Dr. Myers has said that almost all of his patients on ADT are "mildly" anemic [3].

Wiki [2]: "Anemia ... is usually defined as a decrease in the total amount of red blood cells (RBCs) or hemoglobin in the blood. It can also be defined as a lowered ability of the blood to carry oxygen."

I have been rapidly switching between castrate & high-T for a number of years. RBC sinks to the bottom of the reference range (or below) when I am castrate & quickly becomes normal following T supplementation.

Dr. Myers has an old vblog post on iron supplements [3]. A number of his patients were using iron supplements on the advice of their GPs. Hemoglobin is an iron-containing protein. With an iron deficiency, there might not be enough hemoglobin for optimum oxygen transport.

However, as Myers points out - men don't bleed the way that women do. At medical school, he was taught to look for internal bleeding if a man was anemic for no obvious reason.

{It is possible for vegans to be lacking in iron, although some sites say the this is a myth. Animal protein contains heme iron, which is easily absorbed. Vegetables contain only non-heme iron, which is poorly absorbed.}

For a man to be taking iron without having had a blood test for deficiency is stupid. Iron overload is extremely dangerous.

[4] (2008 - Mayo)

"ADT results in a significant drop in haemoglobin levels into the anaemic range. A number of patients become symptomatic from this change. Practitioners should monitor haemoglobin levels, and treat symptomatic patients."

How does one treat a low RBC? Transfusion?

[5] (2006 - U.S.)

"In a sample of men with newly diagnosed, metastatic prostate cancer, a decline in HGB {hemoglobin} level after 3 months of ADT was associated with shorter survival and progression-free survival after adjusting for disease status and other baseline covariates."

So, while a hemoglobin decline is normal, it is clearly something to be concerned by.

My own feeling is that lower levels result in hypoxia-inducible factor 1alpha [HIF-1alpha] which makes PCa cells more aggressive & difficult to kill.

I have come to the view that men on ADT should use a low-dose nitroglycerine patch. It releases nitric oxide, which dilates blood vessels - improving the blood supply to the cancer & forestalling HIF production. My alternative doc wrote me a prescription when I explained why I wanted it. But I doubt that many doctors know much about HIF.

[6] (2009 - U.S.)

"Consider transfusion if severe anemia or symptomatic".

That's the only option? Gus & Nalakrats (& others) are going to jump all over this, but this adds to my belief that a unit of blood from a healthy young person each month would vastly improve survival.

New study [1]:

"The use of androgen deprivation therapy is associated with increased risk of anemia, which reverses upon treatment discontinuation."

Very useful. LOL

-Patrick

[1] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/287...

[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemia

[3] askdrmyers.wordpress.com/20...

[4] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/189...

[5] onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

[6] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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Patrick,

I was aware about the RBC count. However, can Lupron lower the platlet count?

Rich

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Rich,

I'm not aware of an association.

-Patrick

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I don't think anyone knows.

Rich

Thanks for the information. I am one of those with borderline RBCs although right now I'm doing chemo so I would expect that. They were also borderline or below before I started chemo so I really don't know. But I will be taking a closer look at this now with the new information from this study.

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Nalakrats has been receiving a unit of blood from a Gator he keeps in his basement in place of a healthy young person but the long term side effects might be more than most guys could tolerate. Nal says it worth it as he can now bench press 400 lbs for 15 reps

Gus

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j-o-h-n

Hey Gus, Where did you find that picture of my ex-wife?

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Kuanyin

I'm interested in your 54-day blood disposal cycle: it makes a lot of sense. I'm going to bring this up at the end of this month (August) when I see my oncologist. I am wondering, if I don't have a specific malady that requires such a procedure, how does one (1) get a physician to write a script for the procedure and (2) bill for it (i.e., Billing Code)?

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Pat,

no argument from me...more than once a month late at night around singles bars I bite a young woman in the throat and then drink a bottle of gator Blood

Gus

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