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Vyvanse + Talking too much

Any of you guys have this issue?

I've had to apologize to coworkers recently. What's strange is that before Vyvanse, I wasn't necessarily the most introverted person, but I definitely had my social anxiety issues where I was never quite sure how to cut off conversations so I often cut them off prematurely.

Now, it seems like I talk and talk and don't really seem to notice when I've gone too far.

You guys have this issue on Vyvanse?

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I believe stimulate medication affects your mood and you could be feeling better and more confident and so your more social. Too much talking, maybe you feel you’re going a million miles per hour or many overly excited maybe your dose isn’t the right dose. You should tell your doctor so he can adjust it. I think medication can sometimes be trial and error but eventually the hope is finding the right balance. To feel “normal “ as close as possible

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I couldn't help but laugh- I had an appointment with my psychiatrist on Tuesday. I mentioned the talking too much. He says "Some might say you talk too much, I say you're just ADHD and you're on the right dose", lol.

I will say, I took 40mg and it didn't seem to be enough. 60mg seems to put me in a good head. I think my problem is that i'm naturally pretty extraverted but my social awkwardness from years of not getting the proper help caused me to become very self-deprecating and I'd go through periods of introversion.

I've apologized to a couple people. On Tuesday, I talked my mom's ear off on the phone for almost 3 hours before work. Yesterday I was talking to a coworker for 1.5 hours about random stuff. I always apologize... I guess maybe I shouldn't apologize since the reality is that they didn't end the conversation. I might mention I also work with a bunch of complete introverts who aren't always the easiest to read; especially in social situations where they feel uncomfortable.

I agree with the confidence bit. I think that natural cloud of shit that hangs in my brain constantly has largely been silenced and that allows me to chat more freely and listen better (though I will say it's usually my mouth moving).

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I’m a talker too. My doctor had increased my dose too. For the longest time I was on 30mg but would end up taking a second dose because it just worked for me. But I would only be on my medication two weeks one two weeks off and that was no good. I thought I was being bad doubling my dose and at the time didn’t have a doctor who understood adhd and could feel comfortable talking to. When I finally did get a doctor, psychiatrist who I think is really good. I told him and he said some everyone is different and some people need more some need less. He said being on 60mg is fine and he prescribed me 30mg short acting to take 2 in the morning. Knowing now that being on 60mg a day is acceptable I felt better about myself. It’s been more than 3 months since I began and I feel so much better, “normal “. Recently though I finally started working again, career change, and I take my pills at 6am. By 12 or 3 depending I’m beat. Not motivated to doing anything else for the day, can’t and I’ll be asleep by 7:30 or 9 depending. What do you think? Wanted to ask my doctor if taking Xr would be better and or XR in the am and short acting lower dose in the afternoon. I understand it’s natural to feel exhausted and or checked out and done after a days work but sometimes I feel like when I get off work I should accomplish something that needs to get done

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It's only been this week that I've been back on the Vyvanse again after that whole snafu that I went through with the Topamax (e.g. the paranoia and strange mood shifts). I've been taking mine between 7:30 and 8am and I kind of feel like it's been slowly wearing off throughout the evening as well.

I know they give 70mg and I believe sometimes even 80mg. I'm definitely not an expert in medications (this is my first try at them since I was a teenager and was wrongly diagnosed as bipolar).

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70mg is the highest dose of Vyvanse. Be careful because I blindly took too much Vyvanse at the advice of my “dr” and now it doesn’t work for me a all when I take it alone. However, I was on 70mg in the morning then 30mg in the afternoon.....looking back it made no sense AT ALL. What are you currently taking? 60mg per day? Is that all or is there anything else?

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Wow. I don't know much about the stuff but 70mg + 30mg does seem like a lot. That stuff seems dangerous. That does stink that it doesn't work anymore. Have you tried Mydayis or Adderall? Do amphetamines in general not work anymore?

I mentioned to my doctor that I felt a little high and asked him if that was normal. He raised his eyebrow and I responded with "Well I guess not high per se, but I definitely feel euphoria when it kicks in". He mentioned it might just be because I'm not used to being at normal dopamine levels. Honestly- whenever I took MDMA as a teenager, I remember being able to focus really well. In fact, I've never been able to tear through a series of calculus problems like I did on that stuff.

To be honest- I really had my share of bad drugs as a teenager, on top of those crappy bipolar drugs. Perhaps that's why by the time I got to college I shook all that out and was ready to change my life up a bit. I smoked pot only for a brief time when I was 14 but quickly found the anxiety and panic attacks I got on that stuff made me never want to touch it again.

So instead I did what any extremely hyperactive teen with a need for stimulation would do, I started raving and got into other harder drugs. Then I got bored with that and just stopped one day.

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I’m a former meth addict and I found meth before anyone ever considered I might have ADHD. I took the meds my dr prescribed and I didn’t question him. Now I question every move these pill dispensing psychiatrists make. Being a former addict and knowing that euphoric feeling you’re talking about and how similar it felt to speedy ecstasy, and also having the issues I’ve had with Vyvanse being great one day then 4.5 years later not being able to feel it at all, my whole world falling apart and not realizing how susceptible I was to becoming an addict again, relapsing, trial and error on soooooo many different ADHD meds, going to rehab in 2014, and now I’ve finally been able to rebuild my career to a level that exceeded my previous performance.......I have some advice on what I would do differently regarding vyvanse if you’re interested in hearing it?

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Also, I’m on 70mg of Vyvanse with 300mg of nuvigil at the moment. I also take clonazapam as needed for anxiety, but that’s only when I feel like I can’t take a deep enough breath. What dose of Vyvanse are you on and do you take anything else with it?

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BTW, I'm on 60mg of Vyvanse and that's the only thing I'm taking. If it weren't for the fact that I get so worn out throughout the workday and get really irritable with my family at home, I would just be doing mindfulness training and taking no medications.

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What part of the country are you in?

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I’m in the part with Baltimore and Annapolis. How about u?

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Houston, TX

I used to skype with an ADHD psychologist in Maryland named Kathleen Nadeau. She focuses more on females because the symptoms in children and effects on adults is different with each gender in a lot of ways.

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That's actually pretty awesome that you were able to skype with a psychologist. Did you find it effective not being in person?

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I wasn’t in the right frame of mind to make the most out of the experience. She is one of the co authors of Girls & Women with ADHD. She is great but I wasn’t in the place to receive the information she was giving me. However, I think face to face is always better for me just because I have somewhat of an audio processing disorder that greatly diminishes when I am able to attach body language, scents, ambiance of the room we’d be in together, clear facial expressions etc to my conversations.

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You know. I feel like conversations with people get very hard because either I'm stuck in the million thoughts I have going though my head and need to talk to others about them, or something they say or do spins my mind in a direction that causes me to completely lose track of what they said. It's unfortunate because sometimes it'll only take less than a second for me to miss a few words I try to be polite so I just let them talk. And then they'll get to a point where they are like "know what I mean?" and I just kind of nod.. i have no clue what they just said.

Speaking of differences between male and female ADHD, I was one of those kids in elementary/middle/and high school who couldn't sit still to save my life. I had a compulsion to be the center of attention. By high school I was pretty out of control. In fact, I had teachers who loved me, but I would stand up their class and say the shittiest things out of compulsion. I remember my computer science teacher throughout high school. I really did love her as a teacher and I knew I was one of her favorite students. She was a little absent minded and I took advantage of that. I'd stand up in class and yell expletives. It's weird, I almost did it just to see what I could get away with, but at the time it felt compulsive, like once I thought about doing it, I had to do it... otherwise it would bother the shit out of me. I wasn't a bad kid.... but man... that stuff wasn't right, lol.

Anyways, that teacher did believe in me.. even though she had to send me to the office from time to time just to straighten me up. She talked me into entering into the science fair my junior year and I got first place in the county!

It always seemed like boys were the only ones that did that. I don't remember girls in school ever having that problem. A coworker with a daughter my age mentioned her daughter did that, and couldn't sit still, and was hyperactive. I couldn't even imagine that, tbh.

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Certainly interested in hearing and that's a pretty inspiring story for what it's worth. Hitting a low like that and then being able to pick back up and surpass your previous achievements. I know people who were never able to rebuild after experiences like that.

I was never addicted to the drugs, honestly. I was addicted to being accepted by others. Still kind of am... but I've grown a lot.

I also think I might have some strange talent for ignoring my body in times when withdrawls would normally cause people to come back to something. Maybe I just have a screw loose, lol. When I was 25 and had my first child, I was able to stop a 12 year smoking habit one night... just one night. I didn't think about it after that. While my wife still talks about cravings 9 years later, it's one of the few things that never crosses my mind.

And you know I think a lot of this stuff starts young in kids who are diagnosed. From 3rd grade I was given Ritalin and told "this pill will make you normal". I'm 34, so that was what... 25 years ago? Kids were effing nasty... "Hey Corey, you're acting stupid, did you take your pills?"

Now tell me what in the hell a kid is to learn from that experience? That drugs are great and make you normal? That you were just born effed up and need a drug to make you okay so you can be like everyone else?

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I wasn’t diagnosed until I was 26 after I went to the dr to try to help me get sober. I’ve done pretty much every drug on the street except GHB and all the weird new stuff kids are doing, but I never was addicted to them until the day I tried meth. Once I was prescribed Vyvanse I never looked back until it stopped working 4.5 years later and my world fell apart.

My advise regarding Vyvanse based on my experience is that if it feels euphoric when it kicks in, it might be too high of a dose. I had the same feeling at first. The hair on my arms would stand up and I’d be in a great mood ready to conquer the day. I had no idea it could ever stop working and when that happened, it was one of the most difficult things I’d ever experienced. I wish I would have taken a lower dose in the beginning, like maybe a 50mg instead of a 70mg. Also, I wish I would have had provigil or nuvigil with a lower dose of Vyvanse (maybe even a 40mg Vyvanse would have worked in combination with provigil or nuvigil) but I don’t even think that was used to treat ADHD at that time. If I take Vyvanse by itself now, I feel nothing. If I take provigil or nuvigil alone, I feel nothing. Taking them together definitely helps in a better way than Vyvanse ever did on it’s own but I’m not sure why.

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I had major problems with Vyvance. At first it worked fairly well-it was a more subtle feeling than when I took Adderall XR-but I didn’t mind that. Also, for the first two months it worked for about 12 to 14 hours each day. It did take some time before it started working, but I dealt with it,

However, starting around the third month it started to take longer to work and fading out earlier, like around 9 to 10 hours total. I also started having the actual effectiveness fade, sort of like a car driving past you and the sound fading as it continues down a road. It finally stopped working completely around month 5 of treatment.

Since this was around 2010 or so, Adderall was in short supply thanks to some DEA activity, so my doc had me try Concerta. It was the first time I had ever tried a methylphenidate med, and it was a disaster. I became extremely depressed (one of a bunch of co-morbid stuff I am ever so blessed with) and physically I had migraines and stomach problems. After 3 weeks my doc stopped that treatment and put me back on Adderall.

However, the previous dose didn’t work as well, so we settled on a mixture of the XR & IR versions, which I was on up until this past January.

Sorry for the very long answer; but I wanted to tell my whole Vyvance story.

When I find a new doc I am going to see about trying Mydayis, which is very much like Adderall XR but has 3 beads instead of two, and is supposed to work for an average of 16 hours.

One thing is for certain: I desperately need to be back on the Adderall; it is apparently the lynchpin that makes my other psych meds work as well as they do!

Scott B

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Dexadrine brings back some bad memories for me, similar to your time on Methylphenadate. I believe it was 6th grade when they tried me out on that.

I spent the ENTIRE day at the health room crying. You might be wondering, what the hell is a 6th grader crying over?

I had a guinea pig die in my hands 2 years prior. No kidding... A guinea pig. My guinea pig... I didn't take very good care of that thing. I heard it hacking one second like it was coughing up a hairball, then I picked it up and tragedy happened.

For some reason that dexadrine brought back some sad ruminations of that poor guinea pig.

Looking back, that's a pretty silly story. But it really showed me how scary some of these stimulants can be.

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Any animal being in pain or distress will bring me to tears in a second, no matter what your age or the creature.

10 days after my Dad died (at home, via hospice and after battling an autoimmune disease for 15 years), I had to put my 21 year old cat down. The one good thing is that vets will come to your house so you don’t have to drag the pet in to some strange place. The bad thing is, of course, losing what in my case was my best friend. I held her while the end was about to come and she placed a paw on my cheek as I was sobbing. She licked my hand and was gone. It was so fast! I had to wrap her in her favorite blanket and put in this mangy old toy that she loved, and I then buried her in my backyard.

I cried harder over her than my Dad, but he had a complete personality change about two years before he died. Went from an extremely kind father to a nazi overnight, which can often happen. So I grieved for him two years prior to his actual death.

I still sob over my pets. They rarely ask for much and give so much back. I greatly fear when my current pet dies. I suspect that I will need some round the clock care, especially if my mom, who is 84 now, is no longer living.

When you have no other living beings in your life, these things can make a difference in your survival, such as it is.

Sorry to blab about me again. I just wanted to make a comment about your pain and I turn into something about me.

No wonder I no longer have any friends!

Scott B

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U know what's strange? My dad died 3 years ago and I barely cried. I loved the shit out of my dad but I feel like my brain is trying to look out for me and stop the emotion from flowing.

Am I a bad person because I havn't been able to show up to his grave site since the funeral? My family sure seems to think so. They remind me every time I talk to them how they've been there "each and every week".

Meanwhile, I had to put all my dad's belongings in my storage room in the basement. I know I have to go through it someday, but I can't do it yet... it's too hard.

It's crazy how I get this bad wrap for being a narcissist and I think people are very wrong. I have too much empathy, too much emotion. My experiences in life have caused me the need to put the emotions away. Maybe it's because I'm a male? Maybe it's ADHD? I don't know...

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I've had more problems with that when unmedicated: it's somehow easier to find ways to walk away from a conversation going astray with that little bit of help.

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Been off vyvanse since January and best choice I made. Dealt with adhd whole life but medicated for three years at first it was great and at the end I became depressed and suicidly. Check my self in and made choice to quit vyvanse as it stopped me from eating anything or wanting to cook, I had insomnia bad and barely got 4 hours a night and now I’m eating better and enjoy life. That medication was the worst for me personally I was obsessed with adhd issues and now I am loving and living life better

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The medicine helps me talk. Before I had word retrieval problems and had performance anxiety.

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I try to limit my excessive talk to my partner only. I talk his ear off about politics via connection to litterateur via connection to climate change via connection to art. Whatever, it’s all pretty exciting, interesting and awesome to me, you get the picture 😉 All the connections in my head from one topic to another 100 miles an hour, can turn my mouth into a word faucet at times. He listens and keeps doing exactly the task in front of him. He’s very methodical, grounded and patient. He gets a lot done but lacks imagination in my opinion. He’s super good at living a boring life, I think. He has no need for wonders and sleeps well during the night. Sometimes I really envy him - in a good way.

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LOL! So it's 2:16am here and to be quite honest, my wife went to bed unhappy with me tonight- pointing out that of course I'm always the one talking and she can't get a word out edgewise so she won't bother.

Oops.... I've been on this forum because I'm still pretty wired. I think maybe I should stop with the word faucet to my wife. It sounds like it's becoming a bother, lol.

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LoL, I think it can be hard to live with us at times, we really need to give our other halves some credit. But I think you know where I’m coming from. I’m sometimes surprised at how laid back my man can be, but then again he knows exactly what is going on. He has his shortcomings too, but they are different. None of us are perfect after all.

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Man. We had a talk today. I’m definitely working on trying to allow her to talk more. It’s crazy I literally don’t realize it’s happening. I’ll mention somethjng I’ve been deep in thought about and then she will talk about something and I’ll zone out spinning back into deep thought. Sometimes I’ll accidentally cut her off because I zoned out so hard that I completely forgot she was even talking.

I used to have this poem as a teenager that I called lost in thought. I didn’t realize at the time that getting lost in your thoughts was a symptom of ADHD.

“As I gaze upon upon the open field of dreams. Numbing the pain through complex euphoria. I’m ironically misplaced; disowned of body. Lost inside a simple illusion.”

It’s become apparent that my being “lost inside a simple illusion” has been going on for quite a long time.

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I get lost in that illusion quite often. I’m not on medication yet, so I have no idea how it will affect me. Im hoping for good results. Today, I knocked over a glass and broke it when I was hauling stuff from my car to the kitchen table. Then a bit later I moved my MacBook that was hooked to an extension cord that also had a cord to a lit potpourri with scented wax melting on top. The potpourri flew off the coffe table and the top few in the air and now there is wax all over my table and carpet. Arrrggghhhhh! Just another day being me. Sometimes I feel paralyzed and prefer to do nothing rather than something like that. I just know it’s gonna happen! 😬

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I hope you and your wife will work it out. I’m lucky to have someone so patient. I really am.

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Oh gosh. I hope that wax comes out of the carpet, that's awful. My oldest son & I have the same lack of gracefulness when it coms to our short term memory. In fact, he's been very clumsy since he was old enough to walk.

A couple weeks ago, he fell off his bike and got a concussion. The crazy thing is, he wasn't even moving on the bike at the time. I wasn't there to see it, unfortunately, but neighbors mentioned he just kind of lost his balance and fell. I'll never know for sure, but the first thing that popped into my mind was likely that he got "lost inside a simple illusion" and forgot what he was doing, causing him to lose balance. Poor kid.

I'm very lucky for my wife. I know she's willing to put up with my quirks. I think what bugs me the most is seeing her cry because she feels distanced. It also doesn't create a very good atmosphere for the kids when we're not able to work together on things- like how to handle them. I'm also in school & work all day and she's a stay at home mom, so that adds to my natural distance from the household. The whole reason I started going through this therapy/diagnosis process to begin with was to be more present with my family.

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LoL, I like the lack of gracefulness term, that is exactly what It is. The only time I lost that greatfulness was when I danced. I used to do that a lot, of course I moved more than I could probably, I’ve been driven to distraction my whole life, I was always on the go, like I was propelled by a motor. I thought that was like everyone was like. Of course I’ve had gazillion minor accident but then I broke my ankle and my tib/fib and I simply can’t move that much anymore. That incident also coincided with my move to a very rural area and I think it was the firtst time my ADHD became apparent, in a sense where I had to face myself and realize what the heck was wrong with me. I really thought everyone was like this, even though I had this feeling all along that something was wrong but I couldn’t put my finger on it.

I was misdiagnosed as bipolar and was constantly getting off my meds because they didn’t work. I told my doctors this, but they just said “we know that the meds work, but we don’t know why, or how, they just work”? I mean really! The meds made me feel worse if anything at all. But the doc’s didn’t wanna hear it. These doctors all seemed to be stuck in some conformation biases and sadly they don’t listen to the patients. “Shite” they don’t even look us in the eyes. I often felt dehumanized by these white old men with self appointed and smug authoritarian attitude towards me. I now go to a clinic that has a totally different approach, I actually have someone talking and listening to me when I go there. There seems to be a new approach and things are getting better. The whole chemical balance theory has never made sense to me, the brain is not an organ full of chemicals, but it is full of neurons.

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I was misdiagnosed with Bipolar about 19 years ago. I went through them all- lamictal, risperdol, seroquel, paxil, depacote, lithium, zoloft, the list goes on. I was on everything they had. Pretty much ruined my teenage years.

It's rather scary that what we are told is "scientists believe..." can be as simple as them having tested the behavior of mice while given different medications to draw their conclusions.

My grandmother was diagnosed with manic depression back in the 60's or 70's I believe. Looking back- she was always pretty off. My mom and grandmother are very much alike, though my mom doesn't take bipolar medications. We've discussed before that it might be that both of them are ADHD. My mom's a hoarder, she has taken long naps during the day for as long as I can remember. At the same time, she comes off very narcissistic though I know she's not and she's often involved in many different things, jumping from one barbershop chorus or church choir to the next.

Growing up, she was constantly getting involved in things to keep us all busy- like singing groups, theatre groups, etc...

Makes me wonder if the bipolar diagnosis of my grandmother was really ADHD.

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The newest thing I’ve read, is that ADHD, autism, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are all caused by the same defect or “glitch” in our DNA. What causes some of us to get one disorder rather than the other is still a mystery to scientists. Maybe some in the same family get one thing and another individual in the same family gets another. I’m from Iceland and we do have a higher rate of schizophrenia in our population than the rest of the world. We are all related and descendants of about 35,000 people that survived a volcanic eruption in the 1830’s. There is one region in that country that has a slightly higher incidents of schizophrenia than people that come from the rest of the island. It is a very isolated place and it was extremely hard for people to get in and out of there due to extreme cold and long winters so the people that lived there probably intermarried with their closer relatives more than the rest, although marrying your second cousins was a complete taboo and would never be permitted. No one wants to live in that region anymore because it’s too isolated. Maybe ADHD is a milder case of Schizophrenia or at least a tweaked one. Maybe it’s all the same condition but our DNA tweaks it a bit different in each individual, so maybe different version of the same condition can show up in individuals in the same family. IDK, but it’s possible.

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I've been on Vyvance for years and haven't had the issue, but my son just went on it for a few days to try it out and he talked non-stop. Mostly to himself, but it wasn't good. We're trying other meds now.

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