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morning all I have some recent blood results from Gp 21/01/2025. Unfortunately she wouldn’t do T3 so probably not helpful! Tired all the time! TATT!

Protocol bloods at 9am and no B complex for over 5 days and 24 hr no levo.

21/01/2025. 10/09/2024

serum free T4 16.7 pmol/L (12-22 pmol/L)…….. serum T4 17.2 (12-22 pmol)

Serum TSH 0.10 mIU/L (0.27-4.2 mIU/L) ……………………..TSH 0.02 (0.27 - 4.2 mIU/L)

CRP 5mg/L (0.0-5.0 mg/L) FT3 5.2 (3.1-6.8 pmol/L)

I am over weight at 100kg!

I am currently on 100mcg levothyroxine daily

Many thanks

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Free T4 (fT4) 16.7 pmol/L (12 - 22) 47.0%

You need an increase! Probably best to push for a 'trial' increase of 25mcg

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Doris11 in reply toTiggerMe

Thank you at TiggerMe is that daily or weekly? I did mention my FT 4 but my GP is fixated on TSH and says it too suppressed already 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

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Tina_Maria in reply toDoris11

The increase would be daily.

The problem is, that when taking levothyroxine, the TSH gets low or suppressed in patients, even if they are on a lower dose. The reason for that is that the TSH/T4 feedback from the pituitary is not working in the same way as it does in a person without thyroid disease - but many GPs will not acknowledge this.

The only thing you could ask him, why the NICE guidelines state that a normal replacement dose is 1.6mcg per kg of weight. So if you weigh 100kg, you should be on around 160mcg levothyroxine. That surely would still apply even if your TSH is suppressed?

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

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Doris11 in reply toTina_Maria

Thank you 🙏

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Tina_Maria in reply toDoris11

No worries! If you are interested, I have attached a few publications that may be of help:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/293...

In conclusion, pituitary TSH cannot be readily interpreted as a sensitive mirror image of thyroid function because the negative TSH-FT4 correlation is frequently broken, even inverted, by common conditions. The interrelationships between TSH and thyroid hormones and the interlocking elements of the control system are individual, dynamic, and adaptive.

researchgate.net/publicatio...

Importantly, tetraiodothyronine (T4) to T3 conversion efficiency may be impaired in patients receiving LT4, resulting in a loss of thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH)-mediated feedforward control of T3, alteration of the interlocking equilibria between serum concentrations of TSH, free thyroxine (FT4), and free triiodothyonine (FT3), and a decrease in FT3 to FT4 ratios. This downgrades the value of the TSH reference system derived in thyroid health for guiding the replacement dose in the treatment situation.

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply toDoris11

Daily.... perhaps you could push your GP to seek the advice of the Endo Dept as your fT4 is low and you continue to be symptomatic which they are supposed to take into account?

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realistically , an NHS GP won't consider an increase in levo dose when TSH is below range .

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Doris11 in reply totattybogle

Thank you 🙏 I know 😑 I just don’t want to waste her time 🙈 is it a daily increase or weekly? I could ask for 25mcg a week? As it stores L4 doesn’t it?

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tattybogle in reply toDoris11

you can ask , but the NHS answer will almost certainly be 'no' to any increase at all.

yes T4 is 'stored', it has a half life of about 7 days . so yes you can for example increase by 25mcg a week and it will even out in the blood.

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Essential to maintain GOOD vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

What are your most recent results

What vitamin supplements are you taking

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Looking at previous posts

You are vegetarian?

Likely low in iron/ferritin

Never supplement iron without doing full iron panel test for anaemia first and retest 3-4 times a year if self supplementing.

It’s possible to have low ferritin but high iron

Test early morning, only water to drink between waking and test. Avoid high iron rich dinner night before test

If taking any iron supplements stop 5-7 days before testing

Medichecks iron panel test

medichecks.com/products/iro...

Look at increasing iron rich foods in diet

Eating iron rich foods like pumpkin seeds and dark chocolate, plus daily orange juice or other vitamin C rich drink can help improve iron absorption

List of iron rich foods

dailyiron.net

Links about iron and ferritin

irondisorders.org/too-littl...

davidg170.sg-host.com/wp-co...

Great in-depth article on low ferritin

oatext.com/iron-deficiency-...

drhedberg.com/ferritin-hypo...

This is interesting because I have noticed that many patients with Hashimoto’s disease and hypothyroidism, start to feel worse when their ferritin drops below 80 and usually there is hair loss when it drops below 50.

Ferritin over 100 to alleviate symptoms

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Great research article discussing similar…..ferritin over 100 often necessary

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Low Iron implicated in hypothyroidism

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Really interesting talk on YouTube, link in reply by Humanbean discussing both iron deficiency and towards end how inflammation can also be an issue

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Inflammation affecting ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Doris11 in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you 🙏

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SlowDragonAmbassador in reply toDoris11

Please add full iron panel results or come back with new post once you get results

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