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Hi everyone!

I'm looking for recommendations for an endocrinologist that is clued up on DIO2 mutations. My wife has Hashimotos with extreme hypo symptoms but all her results are normal / very low - we've just had the DNA test which has come back with a mutation in the DIO2 gene.

I've searched the usual places for doctors but no one lists DIO2.

We are based in South England but if the doctor can do a zoom call the location wouldn't be an issue.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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greygoose profile image
greygoose

Normal is a matter of opinion, nothing to do with fact. And the blood test results you gave four months ago showed an FT3 that is far from normal. It's far too low. A euthyroid (normal) FT3 would be around mid-range. Has she had a thyroid panel done since then? And her past results, do they follow a similar pattern?

I'm not convinced that a DIO2 mutation is going to be of any help in getting a diagnosis. As I understand it, this mutation just indicates the possibility of being a poor converter of T4 to T3. Being a poor converter is not going to impress the medical profession in any way - they don't even understand what it is! And, as she has Hashi's, she's probably going to be a poor converter anyway, most Hashi's people are. So, could very well be that trying to seek out an endo clued up in that area is a bit of a red herring and a waste of time. An endo that actually knows something about thyroid would be a bonus but even that is difficult to find.

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

Thanks for your reply. I totally agree with you about the results but the 2 endos we have seen so far just agree that she has 'low grade' symptoms of her hashimotos and no treatment is necessary - but they are far from low grade!

She's going in for an ablation to reduce her heavy period symptoms, which I think is a mistake and now desperately trying to scramble and find a doctor that can help before she has this operation.

I have actually found lots of Doctors on the Thyroid UK doctors list that believe in DIO2 and can prescribe combo thearpy - I didn't even know this list existed until an hour ago!

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greygoose in reply tomxnero

Yes, I agree with you about the op. I had a hysterectomy due to heavy, very painful periods because none of the doctors I saw knew anything about thyroid!

But be aware that even if they believe in DIO2 (what's not to believe?) and can prescribe combo therapy, there's no guarantee that they will with those results.

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

Did your hysterectomy have any benefits to your symptoms? You are Hypo? Did you 'solve' your issues?

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greygoose in reply tomxnero

I'm Hashi's/hypo, but my thyroid is now expired.

The hysterectomy was before I was diagnosed, or knew anything about thyroid, although I've probably been hypo since I was about 8 years old. But, yes, obviously it stopped the heavy painful periods! lol But it didn't improve anything else and I then started to put on weight - had been quite reasonably slim up until then. My story is long and complicated, but it's all on my profile if you're interested. :)

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

Thanks for clarifying. I checked out your profile - sorry to hear about your story. I can only imagine your frustration. We've only been dealing with this for 10 years and my wife has given up, only because she's so exhausted all the time.

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greygoose in reply tomxnero

I can understand that! Has she never had a TSH over-range?

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

No, not from the tests we've done. Everything is 'in range' just very low in the range.

TSH normally stays pretty consistent at around 2.5 - middle of range

The lowest thyroid hormones we have recorded was:

t4 - 12.3 (range 12 - 22)

t3 - 3.4 (range 3.1 - 6.8)

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greygoose in reply tomxnero

Yes, they are pretty low. And her TSH doesn't reflect that. So, you could also be dealing with a pituitary disfunction. So, what you want is not an endo that knows about DIO2, but an endo that understands pituitaries as well as thyroids.

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

Excellent thanks - diving into this condition now. Same symptoms as Hypothyroid.

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greygoose in reply tomxnero

Well, it is hypothyroid. The TSH is a pituitary hormone that stimulates the thyroid to make more hormone. The thyroid cannot produce hormone without it, so, over time, you become more and more hypo but the TSH never rises. It's what we call Central Hypo. And it could be a problem with the pituitary or the hypothalamus (which stimulates the pituitary to make TSH).

The TSH itself doesn't cause symptoms, that's not its job, so the symptoms you will feel are symptoms of low thyroid hormones. Or, as the pituitary makes a lot of different hormones, other hormones that are low. Has she ever had her cortisol tested? Cortisol is an adrenal hormone. But the adrenals rely on the pituitary hormone ATCH to stimulate them to make cortisol. It's all interwoven.

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

Yes - Cortisol was:

536.0 ( range 133 - 537)

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

from her previous test results I can't find anything that would suggest PD. Except for maybe high cortisol and high estrogen - all other markers are normal. such a minefield!

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greygoose in reply tomxnero

PD?

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helvellaAdministrator in reply togreygoose

Maybe Parkinson's Disease?

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greygoose in reply tohelvella

Maybe. But can't see the relevance. :)

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

Sorry - pituitary disfunction

Yes - Cortisol was:

536.0 ( range 133 - 537)

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greygoose in reply tomxnero

Assuming that cortisol was tested early morning, that's not high, that's good. But, given her low FT3, one might reasonably expect it to be higher, because as the thyroid fails, the adrenals take up the slack by increasing cortisol production. But, of course, as it's at the top of the range, and not over, you won't get any further investigation from the medical fraternity.

But as I said, the problem may lie with the hypothalamus, rather than the pituitary.

Do you have children? Pregnancy and child-birth can do horrible things to the immune system and the endocrine system.

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

Oh, yes the Cortisol test was first thing.

We don't have children.

Does Oestradiol have anything to do with the hypothalamus or pituitary? Because that was:

551

ranges here:

Follicular: 114 - 332

Ovulation: 222 - 1959

Luteal: 222 - 854

However, because her periods are so heavy and random it might have been hard to tell where she was at in her cycle - we were going on it being the follicular stage.

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greygoose in reply tomxnero

The pituitary produces FSH - Folical Stimulating Hormone - which indirectly causes oestradiol to rise in preparation for the formation of eggs:

ucsfhealth.org/education/th....

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mxnero in reply togreygoose

Thanks for all your help and info! It's really appreciated :)

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greygoose in reply tomxnero

You're very welcome. :) I hope it helps you get somewhere.

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Cake-Maker

In my experience endos aren’t interested in genetics and most of them will not have heard of D102

You’ll probably find an endo who understands conversion issues which are associated with D102 mutations if you try hard enough.

I believe that this forum can provide a list of endocrinologists who have been recommended by members

I hope that your wife’s problems are resolved soon

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previous post

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Is she now getting B12 injections

Or now on daily B12 supplements

And daily vitamin B complex

Has she started on Levo yet

Is she on gluten free/dairy free diet

Here’s link for how to request Thyroid U.K.list of private Doctors emailed to you, but within the email a link to download list of recommended thyroid specialist endocrinologists

Ideally choose an endocrinologist to see privately initially and who also does NHS consultations so that might eventually transfer to NHS

thyroiduk.org/contact-us/ge...

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mxnero in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you! I just discovered that list this morning!

She isn't on any thyroid medication, no one will prescribe due to 'with in' range results.

I tested for PA and that came back negative.

We had an ultrasound and her thyroid has no signs of damage.

She is currently on B12 liquid supplements that I think you recommended Slow Dragon but we haven't retested to see the new levels.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply tomxnero

She will need a separate daily vitamin B complex as well as a good daily B12 supplement as I detailed in that post

If B12 supplement doesn’t increase dose look at B12 injections

Gluten

Have you done coeliac blood test

Is she now trailing strictly gluten free diet and/or dairy free

Retest FULL Thyroid and vitamin levels BEFORE considering booking any private consultation

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Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

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Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

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Monitor My Health (NHS private test service) offer thyroid and vitamin testing, plus cholesterol and HBA1C for £65

(Doesn’t include thyroid antibodies)

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10% off code here

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mxnero in reply toSlowDragon

She doesn't eat gluten because it does affect her - she's not coeliac.

As far as I'm aware you can't get B12 injections without a prescription, for which we can't get :)

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply tomxnero

First see if taking B12 supplement has improved levels

She might do fine on B12 and vitamin B complex daily

If not ….

Many many members on here and on PAS health unlocked self inject B12 (SI B12)

healthunlocked.com/search/p...

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Some GP’s surgeries will even get a nurse to show patients how to do it

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mxnero in reply toSlowDragon

Thanks for all your help and info! It's really appreciated :)

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